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Re: Deflategate <again>
« Reply #75 on: May 07, 2015, 05:50:01 AM »
I just love to see grown men whining like schoolboys over a game...even if the Patriots were somehow "disqualified" and "didn't really win" any Super Bowls...what would that change?  Broke ass fools will still be broke ass fools, no matter who wins a football game.



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Re: Deflategate <again>
« Reply #76 on: May 07, 2015, 05:52:30 AM »
Can I borrow 5 bucks?

Well played, sir.

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Re: Deflategate <again>
« Reply #77 on: May 07, 2015, 09:39:57 AM »
How many times do they get to do this before the NFL starts taking away wins?

SB win this year at a minimum should be vacated and Belichick sentenced to death.

Vacated Super Bowl is a little harsh but yes I think the death penalty is in order.
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« Reply #78 on: May 07, 2015, 09:41:17 AM »
Goodell is going to come down hard with a $500K fine to the team.  like they care.  Kraft probably spends that much just for drinks for his Eyes Wide Shut Parties.

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« Reply #79 on: May 07, 2015, 09:43:08 AM »
1 game for the infraction
3 games for the cover-up.

"I dont know who this man is that did it" But they spent a total of 1 hour on the phone over 4 calls + texts and arranged meeting

Brady caught in a few lies here.  As always, cover up worse than the crime.

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Re: Deflategate <again>
« Reply #80 on: May 07, 2015, 09:44:03 AM »
1 game for the infraction
3 games for the cover-up.

"I dont know who this man is that did it" But they spent a total of 1 hour on the phone over 4 calls + texts and arranged meeting

Brady caught in a few lies here.  As always, cover up worse than the crime.

He should be executed.

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Re: Deflategate <again>
« Reply #81 on: May 07, 2015, 09:47:23 AM »
Hearing you idiots makes my blood boil.  ;D

At least we are the reigning champs. You know this situation might just bring the Patriots closer together.

They play better when they feel its them against the world.


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« Reply #82 on: May 07, 2015, 09:51:09 AM »

At least we are the reigning champs. You know this situation might just bring the Patriots closer together.

They play better when they feel its them against the world.

Yes, I remember how "motivated" they were after Spygate.  Then 10 years later after they won no Super Bowls, they went back to cheating and got another.
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Re: Deflategate <again>
« Reply #83 on: May 07, 2015, 09:56:09 AM »
i wonder how many Players in the NFL would Deflate if they Really did Drug test and not just pretended to do so

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« Reply #84 on: May 07, 2015, 10:04:59 AM »
i wonder how many Players in the NFL would Deflate if they Really did Drug test and not just pretended to do so

All O and D lines to start.
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« Reply #85 on: May 07, 2015, 10:06:59 AM »
Thats the bullshit part. Most people thought that the Pats "probably" deflated the balls months ago.

This investigation found nothing new. They are going to use circumstantial evidence to possibly suspend Brady, and who knows what else.

And even worse is they could have averted all of this.


The NFL has concluded its months-long investigation into Deflategate and determined that it is "more probable than not" that two employees deliberately released air from game balls and that New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady "was at least generally aware" of the plan.
The scandal, in which the Patriots were found to be using deflated game balls during their 45-7 victory over the Indianapolis Colts in the AFC title game, is a huge black eye for the Patriots and Brady, and it draws the legitimacy of last year's Super Bowl championship into question.

Perhaps the most dumbfounding part of this is that the NFL had more than one chance to stop it from happening and did nothing.

According to the report, the league first became aware of the possibility that the Patriots were deflating the footballs when Ryan Grigson, the general manager of the Colts, sent an email to two senior members of the NFL Football Operations Department days before the AFC championship game.

In the email, Grigson included a note from a Colts equipment manager that said the Patriots were known for deflating footballs. He added: "All the Indianapolis Colts want is a completely level playing field. Thank you for being vigilant stewards of that not only for us but for the shield and overall integrity of our game."

Here is the note from the equipment manager to the NFL. It describes exactly what NFL investigators believe happened before the AFC title game:

As far as the gameballs are concerned it is well known around the league that after the Patriots gameballs are checked by the officials and brought out for game usage the ballboys for the patriots will let out some air with a ball needle because their quarterback likes a smaller football so he can grip it better, it would be great if someone would be able to check the air in the game balls as the game goes on so that they don't get an illegal advantage.

That email was forwarded to several other league officials, including two senior members of the NFL Officiating Department, who responded by saying they would bring the issue up with Walt Anderson, the referee assigned to the AFC title game.

At no time was there any indication that the Patriots were made aware of the Colts' concerns or that the NFL was making members of the Patriots' front office aware of a potential rules infraction.

Mike Florio of ProFootballTalk.com spoke with an anonymous league official who said this would have never happened under previous commissioners.

"As one league source with no connection to the present controversy explained it to PFT in January, past Commissioners like Paul Tagliabue would have informed the Patriots of the situation," Florio wrote, adding that Tagliabue would have "warned them that the NFL is paying attention, that the league reserves the right to check the air pressure in the footballs during the game, and that any funny business would be met with a decidedly unfunny reaction from the league office."

Doing this would have almost certainly scared the Patriots enough to ensure that nobody was altering the footballs during that game.


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To make matters worse, the NFL and one of the game's referees were made aware of the allegations, and yet the footballs still went missing before the game.

Knowing that the Patriots were being accused of deflating footballs and knowing that the footballs went missing, the officials could have easily retested the footballs once they were found. That would have eliminated the weather defense — a central point to the Patriots' defense as evidenced by Robert Kraft's statement following the release of the Wells report — as it is assumed that the only chance to deflate the balls occurred before the game, meaning there would have be very little time between the initial measurements and the retests.

But more important, it would have kept the Patriots from using illegal footballs during one of the most important games of the season.

The report also makes it clear that the NFL should have taken the allegations made by the Colts seriously, noting that the actions of one of the employees accused of altering the footballs, locker room attendant Jim McNally, had come under review of the NFL after allegations arose that he was supplying "non-approved practice balls" in place of approved footballs during a game in 2004.

The report insists that there was "was no 'sting' operation" put in place by the NFL. But if the goal was to catch the Patriots red-handed, it apparently worked.

At the same time, the NFL has another ugly mess that it seems could easily have been avoided.

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« Reply #86 on: May 07, 2015, 10:15:02 AM »
I will give you guys this: It was a small issue that Tom made bigger by lying.

The lying has become the bigger issue then the act itself. So he should take whatever punishment comes his way, and move on.
Exactly, he lied he just should have admitted it and qualified it by saying other Quarterbacks do it. Now his reputation takes a hit and furthers the belief that Patriots are cheaters. I say he gets a four game suspension. Gonna be tough for them this year in the AFC east.

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« Reply #87 on: May 07, 2015, 10:15:08 AM »
And even worse is they could have averted all of this.


The NFL has concluded its months-long investigation into Deflategate and determined that it is "more probable than not" that two employees deliberately released air from game balls and that New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady "was at least generally aware" of the plan.
The scandal, in which the Patriots were found to be using deflated game balls during their 45-7 victory over the Indianapolis Colts in the AFC title game, is a huge black eye for the Patriots and Brady, and it draws the legitimacy of last year's Super Bowl championship into question.

Perhaps the most dumbfounding part of this is that the NFL had more than one chance to stop it from happening and did nothing.

According to the report, the league first became aware of the possibility that the Patriots were deflating the footballs when Ryan Grigson, the general manager of the Colts, sent an email to two senior members of the NFL Football Operations Department days before the AFC championship game.

In the email, Grigson included a note from a Colts equipment manager that said the Patriots were known for deflating footballs. He added: "All the Indianapolis Colts want is a completely level playing field. Thank you for being vigilant stewards of that not only for us but for the shield and overall integrity of our game."

Here is the note from the equipment manager to the NFL. It describes exactly what NFL investigators believe happened before the AFC title game:

As far as the gameballs are concerned it is well known around the league that after the Patriots gameballs are checked by the officials and brought out for game usage the ballboys for the patriots will let out some air with a ball needle because their quarterback likes a smaller football so he can grip it better, it would be great if someone would be able to check the air in the game balls as the game goes on so that they don't get an illegal advantage.

That email was forwarded to several other league officials, including two senior members of the NFL Officiating Department, who responded by saying they would bring the issue up with Walt Anderson, the referee assigned to the AFC title game.

At no time was there any indication that the Patriots were made aware of the Colts' concerns or that the NFL was making members of the Patriots' front office aware of a potential rules infraction.

Mike Florio of ProFootballTalk.com spoke with an anonymous league official who said this would have never happened under previous commissioners.

"As one league source with no connection to the present controversy explained it to PFT in January, past Commissioners like Paul Tagliabue would have informed the Patriots of the situation," Florio wrote, adding that Tagliabue would have "warned them that the NFL is paying attention, that the league reserves the right to check the air pressure in the footballs during the game, and that any funny business would be met with a decidedly unfunny reaction from the league office."

Doing this would have almost certainly scared the Patriots enough to ensure that nobody was altering the footballs during that game.


This is utter nonsense.  There is a rule in place.  It is the team's responsibility to follow it, yet they were deliberately and knowingly breaking it (anyone who denies this at this stage is foolish).  The league is not obligated to give them a warning about it, especially when the team in question is a known cheating/dishonorable/despicable franchise.


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Re: Deflategate <again>
« Reply #88 on: May 07, 2015, 10:16:22 AM »
true - "we know youre cheating so stop it or we will have to bust you" is crap.

let the Pats cheat, then bust them for it. 

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Re: Deflategate <again>
« Reply #89 on: May 07, 2015, 10:18:11 AM »
The colts warned the NFL before the AFC game, then , they went out there and got their asses handed to them 45 - 7


 ;D

talk about karma 

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Re: Deflategate <again>
« Reply #90 on: May 07, 2015, 10:22:28 AM »
The colts warned the NFL before the AFC game, then , they went out there and got their asses handed to them 45 - 7


 ;D

talk about karma 


That's not Karma.  Colts did nothing wrong.
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« Reply #91 on: May 07, 2015, 10:41:28 AM »
That's not Karma.  Colts did nothing wrong.

Yes, the Colts who've been fined and docked draft choices for pumping in fake noise to distract the opponent.

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Re: Deflategate <again>
« Reply #92 on: May 07, 2015, 11:50:11 AM »
Tom Brady refused to turn over his texts and emails. How long before a litigious Seahawks fan files suit to obtain those?

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Re: Deflategate <again>
« Reply #93 on: May 07, 2015, 12:02:40 PM »
Yes, I remember how "motivated" they were after Spygate.  Then 10 years later after they won no Super Bowls, they went back to cheating and got another.
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Re: Deflategate <again>
« Reply #94 on: May 07, 2015, 12:13:33 PM »
Still funny how Tom Brady, winning 4 Superbowls, going to 6 total Superbowls is so unliked and disrespected. 

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« Reply #95 on: May 07, 2015, 12:27:00 PM »
Still funny how Tom Brady, winning 4 Superbowls, going to 6 total Superbowls is so unliked and disrespected. 

I live in NE and actually like Brady.

But, it's the hypocrisy and arrogance of the fan base that drives me in this stuff.

And, the doubt and speculation around this team is real.  It's just part of their history and legacy now.
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« Reply #96 on: May 07, 2015, 01:07:08 PM »
I live in NE and actually like Brady.

But, it's the hypocrisy and arrogance of the fan base that drives me in this stuff.

And, the doubt and speculation around this team is real.  It's just part of their history and legacy now.

I bet you Montana or Elway could have been caught deflating balls while screwing hookers on the 50 yard line and they wouldn't receive 1/2 mockery as Brady.  Something about him is very unlikeable.

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Re: Deflategate <again>
« Reply #97 on: May 07, 2015, 01:12:15 PM »
Exactly, he lied he just should have admitted it and qualified it by saying other Quarterbacks do it. Now his reputation takes a hit and furthers the belief that Patriots are cheaters. I say he gets a four game suspension. Gonna be tough for them this year in the AFC east.
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Re: Deflategate <again>
« Reply #98 on: May 07, 2015, 01:25:12 PM »
I bet you Montana or Elway could have been caught deflating balls while screwing hookers on the 50 yard line and they wouldn't receive 1/2 mockery as Brady.  Something about him is very unlikeable.

Eh, it's the way the world works now with online/social media.  So many instant voices, so it has to be put in context with stuff in the past.

Take Breaking Bad - awesome show, no doubt.  But if the internet behaved 8 years ago that way it did now, The Shield would have had all the same hype, possibly more.  (not interested in debating this, just citing an example).
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« Reply #99 on: May 07, 2015, 01:28:59 PM »
Eh, it's the way the world works now with online/social media.  So many instant voices, so it has to be put in context with stuff in the past.

Take Breaking Bad - awesome show, no doubt.  But if the internet behaved 8 years ago that way it did now, The Shield would have had all the same hype, possibly more.  (not interested in debating this, just citing an example).

Ever since the Tuck rule there's been a general lack of respect for Brady.