Deflategate <again>

[240 is Back]

the nba took a MONSTER hit when we discovered refs were actually fixing games.

the NFL is scared of this.   They will publicly punish things like this.  It hurts the integrity of the game, while ray rice punching his wife (who had cornered, lunged, and struck him leading up to his actions), just hurts the image.   

2 games for beating, 4 games for cheating - they care more about the integrity of the shield.


and let's all be honest here - Brady was doing this shit for years.  You just KNEW that espn, deadspin, etc are all offering this locker room manager a million bucks to "tell his story" of how many big games used these cheat balls.  Dude was fired from the patriots. 

[Grape Ape]

and let's all be honest here - Brady was doing this shit for years.

You think?

A.J. Feeley played quarterback for five different NFL teams during an 11-year career that began in 2001. On Wednesday, Feeley said that during his time with the Dolphins in 2004, he observed Tom Brady using a "beat-up" football during a game when the rules stipulated that new footballs provided by the league had to be used.

“Prior to Tommy and Peyton Manning going to the league and saying, ‘Let us doctor our balls' we used to all play with the same balls,” Feeley told 97.5 The Fanatic, via PFT.

(In 2006, two years after Feeley says he saw Brady breaking the rules, the NFL allowed teams to provide their own footballs for use during games, thanks largely to the lobbying efforts of Brady and Manning.)

Feeley continued: “Somehow this beat-up ball from the ball boy was getting thrown in on offense for New England, yet when we were on offense this orange brand new ball was getting thrown in.”

So for those of you who think January's AFC Championship Game wasn't the first time Brady and the Patriots were guilty of skirting the rules, here's your (alleged) smoking gun. For those of you wondering why Feeley waited 11 years to speak up, that's a fair question. Either way, Feeley says he didn't appreciate the gamesmanship.

“He's getting his own balls thrown in on offense,” Feeley said. “That was an issue to me at the time. ...We saw it then.”

[240 is Back]

You think?

yeah, if the NFL really wanted to, they could check the video from the BAL game, the week before the COLTS game.

I bet that same ballboy took a 100-second deflate-break on the way to the field that week, too.  I bet the NFL wants to pretend it was only the one game. 

[tommywishbone]

I can't stop laughing at all the dorks, nerds and non-athletes that actually think playing with a football with 2-3 less PSI means the difference in winning and losing. It makes zero difference. None.

Brady is a stud and the Patriots know how to win.  


"Two or three less PSI in the football. I can't stop laughing." - G. Zimmerman

[blacken700]

I can't stop laughing at all the dorks, nerds and non-athletes that actually think playing with a football with 2-3 less PSI means the difference in winning and losing. It makes zero difference. None.

Brady is a stud and the Patriots know how to win.  


"Two or three less PSI in the football. I can't stop laughing." - G. Zimmerman

 

[Carlton G. Long]

I can't stop laughing at all the dorks, nerds and non-athletes that actually think playing with a football with 2-3 less PSI means the difference in winning and losing. It makes zero difference. None.

Brady is a stud and the Patriots know how to win.  


"Two or three less PSI in the football. I can't stop laughing." - G. Zimmerman

I can't stop laughing at all the twatwaffles who think their miserable existences will somehow be improved now that Tom Brady was "caught."   

[240 is Back]

ESPN hinting McNally will eventually do a "tell all" interview.

he is very unhappy with Brady shitting on him in the press.  Already threatened Brady in his texts about "I'm not going to espn... YET".

Mcnally has since been fired and brady's attorney is shaming him in the press.  Today is the LAST day for brady to appeal.  the actual messy stuff, going to court, is going to wreck brady due to the discovery process.  Brady will have to turn over his entire records that he's been able to hide so far.  IMO, he can't and won't sue. 

[polychronopolous]

ESPN hinting McNally will eventually do a "tell all" interview.

he is very unhappy with Brady shitting on him in the press.  Already threatened Brady in his texts about "I'm not going to espn... YET".

Mcnally has since been fired and brady's attorney is shaming him in the press.  Today is the LAST day for brady to appeal.  the actual messy stuff, going to court, is going to wreck brady due to the discovery process.  Brady will have to turn over his entire records that he's been able to hide so far.  IMO, he can't and won't sue. 

[Grape Ape]

I can't stop laughing at all the dorks, nerds and non-athletes that actually think playing with a football with 2-3 less PSI means the difference in winning and losing. It makes zero difference. None.

Brady is a stud and the Patriots know how to win.  

I can't stop laughing at all the people who criticize the discussion yet post in the thread while incorrectly assuming the context around it.

[Hulkotron]

I can't stop laughing at all the dorks, nerds and non-athletes that actually think playing with a football with 2-3 less PSI means the difference in winning and losing. It makes zero difference. None.

Brady is a stud and the Patriots know how to win.  


"Two or three less PSI in the football. I can't stop laughing." - G. Zimmerman

If it doesn't make a difference then why does he do it and cover it up

[tommywishbone]

Brother in my opinion, Brady tried to hide it exactly because he knew it was against the rules- but it's not a real rule like the rule where you must score in YOUR end zone and you can't just turn around and run into the other end zone and call it a touchdown. Or the rule that says you can only have 11 players on your side and not put 15 players on the field and score and that's cool.

It like the rule where interior offensive lineman can only have uniform numbers from 60-79. That has zero influence on the game but it's still a rule. Or the rule that kickers must wear a helmet. Helmet or no helmet- it makes zero difference to the game but it's a rule. Or the rule that all players must wear the same colored jersey on game day. That influences absolutely nothing but it's a rule.

2-3 PSI less in the football...

[blacken700]

[blacken700]

some on here are obsessed with the patriots probably because their team has a hard time making .500 season after season,so they obsess with the patriots,what a sad fan

[dr.chimps]

Brother in my opinion, Brady tried to hide it exactly because he knew it was against the rules- but it's not a real rule like the rule where you must score in YOUR end zone and you can't just turn and run into the other end zone and call it a touchdown. Or the rule that says you can only have 11 players on your side and not put 15 players on the field and score and that's cool.

It like the rule where interior offensive lineman can only have uniform numbers from 60-79. That has zero influence on the game but it's still a rule. Or the rule that kickers must wear a helmet. Helmet or no helmet- it makes zero difference to the game but it's a rule. Or the rule that all players must wear the same colored jersey on game day. That influence absolutely nothing but it's a rule.

2-3 PSI less in the football...

Talk about soft-selling. Oh brother.

[Grape Ape]

Brother in my opinion, Brady tried to hide it exactly because he knew it was against the rules- but it's not a real rule like the rule where you must score in YOUR end zone and you can't just turn and run into the other end zone and call it a touchdown. Or the rule that says you can only have 11 players on your side and not put 15 players on the field and score and that's cool.

It like the rule where interior offensive lineman can only have uniform numbers from 60-79. That has zero influence on the game but it's still a rule. Or the rule that kickers must wear a helmet. Helmet or no helmet- it makes zero difference to the game but it's a rule. Or the rule that all players must wear the same colored jersey on game day. That influence absolutely nothing but it's a rule.

2-3 PSI less in the football...

So why does Brady do it then, if it makes no difference?

[tommywishbone]

Talk about soft-selling. Oh brother.

American football will soon invade your island country and we'll see who has the last laugh sir.

[dr.chimps]

American football will soon invade your island country and we'll see who has the last laugh sir.

Laughs on us, Sir. We'd rather watch your college ball than CFL. Hell, I'll watch anything else than CFL. 

/johnny looking great with the high and tight. very fighter-pilot-ish. j edgar approved.

[tommywishbone]

So why does Brady do it then, if it makes no difference?

Brady didn't tell me why he did it or does it, but I can guess-

-he does it for the same reason I never toast my pop tarts, I just like them cold. They taste better to me not toasted. It doesn't change the nutritional value of my breakfast, I just prefer cold pop tarts.

Brady just prefers a football with 2-3 less PSI. Here's a nice picture to prove it.

[dr.chimps]

Brady didn't tell me why he did it or does it, but I can guess-

-he does it for the same reason I never toast my pop tarts, I just like them cold. They taste better to me not toasted. It doesn't change the nutrition value of my breakfast, I just prefer cold pop tarts.

Brady just prefers a football with 2-3 less PSI. Here's a nice picture to prove it.

Given their miniscule fumble rate, I'm guessing the whole team digs the flat ball.

[Grape Ape]

Brady didn't tell me why he did it or does it, but I can guess-

-he does it for the same reason I never toast my pop tarts, I just like them cold. They taste better to me not toasted. It doesn't change the nutritional value of my breakfast, I just prefer cold pop tarts.

Brady just prefers a football with 2-3 less PSI. Here's a nice picture to prove it.

Well, it's not a reach to say he likes it like that because it enables him to throw it better.  Why else would a quarterback prefer that?   If he throws it better, it affects the game.  But it's outside the approved limits, so it's illegal and cheating.

A corked bat would be a better analogy than the way a pop tart tastes.   Pop tart taste doesn't affect "performance".

[WalterWhite]

FORMER DOLPHINS OL COACH JIM TURNER ON TED WELLS: ‘INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATOR, MY [EXPLETIVE]’
05.14.15 at 1:07 pm ET
By Ryan Hannable
Former Dolphins coach Jim Turner ranted on Ted Wells Thursday.  (Joe Raedle/Getty Images)
Former Dolphins coach Jim Turner ranted against Ted Wells Thursday. (Joe Raedle/Getty Images)

Former Dolphins offensive line coach Jim Turner, who was interviewed by Ted Wells as part of the Jonathan Martin-Richie Incognito bullying scandal, went on the attack Thursday on Ted Wells when appearing on Sirius XM’s Mad Dog Sports Radio.

“When you sit in front of them, they are under attack,” Turner said. “There are accusations. It’s obvious they have an agenda and in my case their agenda was to defend [Jonathan] Martin at all costs. It was clear by the questioning. It was easy to see. To be honest with you, when you’re sitting across from him, I’ll be honest, it was almost laughable when I was sitting there because it was almost like I was in the movie Office Space and I was sitting across from Bob and Bob. I’m looking at these guys and what could these two lawyers — what could they possibly understand about a NFL locker room?”

Turner said he understands why Tom Brady didn’t hand over his cell phone to him.

“One thing stands out to me and it is just how smart Tom Brady is,” he said. “He didn’t trust the Wells Report. He didn’t trust Wells. If he did, he would have complied a little more. From my experience I see the crossover between things that are happening to the Patriots right now and things that happened to me. Wells is not a good human being. When I didn’t give him the stories he wanted, he targeted me as part of a problem in Miami. He’s not an independent investigator. He’s not doing it looking at both sides of the situation. He’s hired by the NFL and he’s going to print the story they wanted printed.”

Added Turner: “100 percent — Tom Brady, Bill Belichick, I wouldn’t say a word. Independent investigator, my [expletive].”

Turner was fired by the Dolphins following the report back in February of 2014.

 

[Carlton G. Long]

FORMER DOLPHINS OL COACH JIM TURNER ON TED WELLS: ‘INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATOR, MY [EXPLETIVE]’
05.14.15 at 1:07 pm ET
By Ryan Hannable
Former Dolphins coach Jim Turner ranted on Ted Wells Thursday.  (Joe Raedle/Getty Images)
Former Dolphins coach Jim Turner ranted against Ted Wells Thursday. (Joe Raedle/Getty Images)

Former Dolphins offensive line coach Jim Turner, who was interviewed by Ted Wells as part of the Jonathan Martin-Richie Incognito bullying scandal, went on the attack Thursday on Ted Wells when appearing on Sirius XM’s Mad Dog Sports Radio.

“When you sit in front of them, they are under attack,” Turner said. “There are accusations. It’s obvious they have an agenda and in my case their agenda was to defend [Jonathan] Martin at all costs. It was clear by the questioning. It was easy to see. To be honest with you, when you’re sitting across from him, I’ll be honest, it was almost laughable when I was sitting there because it was almost like I was in the movie Office Space and I was sitting across from Bob and Bob. I’m looking at these guys and what could these two lawyers — what could they possibly understand about a NFL locker room?”

Turner said he understands why Tom Brady didn’t hand over his cell phone to him.

“One thing stands out to me and it is just how smart Tom Brady is,” he said. “He didn’t trust the Wells Report. He didn’t trust Wells. If he did, he would have complied a little more. From my experience I see the crossover between things that are happening to the Patriots right now and things that happened to me. Wells is not a good human being. When I didn’t give him the stories he wanted, he targeted me as part of a problem in Miami. He’s not an independent investigator. He’s not doing it looking at both sides of the situation. He’s hired by the NFL and he’s going to print the story they wanted printed.”

Added Turner: “100 percent — Tom Brady, Bill Belichick, I wouldn’t say a word. Independent investigator, my [expletive].”

Turner was fired by the Dolphins following the report back in February of 2014.

 

Ted Wells is a c0ck g0bbler, no doubt about it.

[Grape Ape]

FORMER DOLPHINS OL COACH JIM TURNER ON TED WELLS: ‘INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATOR, MY [EXPLETIVE]’
05.14.15 at 1:07 pm ET
By Ryan Hannable
Former Dolphins coach Jim Turner ranted on Ted Wells Thursday.  (Joe Raedle/Getty Images)
Former Dolphins coach Jim Turner ranted against Ted Wells Thursday. (Joe Raedle/Getty Images)

Former Dolphins offensive line coach Jim Turner, who was interviewed by Ted Wells as part of the Jonathan Martin-Richie Incognito bullying scandal, went on the attack Thursday on Ted Wells when appearing on Sirius XM’s Mad Dog Sports Radio.

“When you sit in front of them, they are under attack,” Turner said. “There are accusations. It’s obvious they have an agenda and in my case their agenda was to defend [Jonathan] Martin at all costs. It was clear by the questioning. It was easy to see. To be honest with you, when you’re sitting across from him, I’ll be honest, it was almost laughable when I was sitting there because it was almost like I was in the movie Office Space and I was sitting across from Bob and Bob. I’m looking at these guys and what could these two lawyers — what could they possibly understand about a NFL locker room?”

Turner said he understands why Tom Brady didn’t hand over his cell phone to him.

“One thing stands out to me and it is just how smart Tom Brady is,” he said. “He didn’t trust the Wells Report. He didn’t trust Wells. If he did, he would have complied a little more. From my experience I see the crossover between things that are happening to the Patriots right now and things that happened to me. Wells is not a good human being. When I didn’t give him the stories he wanted, he targeted me as part of a problem in Miami. He’s not an independent investigator. He’s not doing it looking at both sides of the situation. He’s hired by the NFL and he’s going to print the story they wanted printed.”

Added Turner: “100 percent — Tom Brady, Bill Belichick, I wouldn’t say a word. Independent investigator, my [expletive].”

Turner was fired by the Dolphins following the report back in February of 2014.

 

Summary:  Guy who lost his job because of Wells accuses Wells of being biased.

[WalterWhite]

Hmmm..


As a result, at halftime, members of the officiating crew assigned to the game, overseen by a senior officiating supervisor from the National Football League (the “NFL” or the “League”), tested the air pressure of footballs being used by each of the Patriots and the Colts. All eleven of the Patriots game balls tested measured below the minimum pressure level of 12.5 pounds per square inch (“psi”) allowed by Rule 2 of the Official Playing Rules of the National Football League (the “Playing Rules”) on both of two air pressure gauges used to test the balls. The four Colts balls tested each measured within the 12.5 to 13.5 psi range permitted under the Playing Rules on at least one of the gauges used for the tests.

This statement is not complete. Halftime psi measurements are on pg. 8. The reality is that, on the second gauge, 3 of 4 Colts footballs were below regulation. A more accurate and complete statement regarding the Colts footballs would have been: “Using two different gauges (one of which was used for pre-game psi measurements), the League tested only four Colts footballs at halftime. Three of those footballs measured below regulation on the so-called “non-Logo” gauge. Four measured at or above regulation on the so-called “Logo” gauge. One Colts football averaged below regulation when taking into account both gauges. As soon as that fourth Colts football was measured, League personnel stopped any further gauging of Colts footballs. Relying on the higher Logo gauge measurements of the Colts football, League officials decided not to add air to any of the Colts footballs. Additional measurements using the same two gauges were made post-game. Post-game, each of the four Patriots footballs measured were well above the required level of 12.5 psi on both gauges (including one that had been overinflated to 13.65 on the Logo gauge). Three of the four Colts footballs measured below 12.5 psi on the non-Logo gauge (a violation of League rules), one measured below 12.5 psi on both gauges (also a violation), and three Colts footballs measured above 12.5 on the Logo gauge.”

[Earl1972]

i would've been fine with tomlin being fired whether this was an accident or intentional

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