Deflategate <again>

[King Shizzo]

I just want to move on.

We have a championship to defend 

[240 is Back]

i agree completely the NFL has no case against him, he was too smart and smooth.

and i agree completely he cheated his ass off, knew it, and covered it up.

like most, he shuts up, lawyers up, and he gets away with it.

[Grape Ape]

i agree completely the NFL has no case against him, he was too smart and smooth.

and i agree completely he cheated his ass off, knew it, and covered it up.

like most, he shuts up, lawyers up, and he gets away with it.

He wasn't smart, the NFL was stupid.  The process was what he got the suspension overturned with.  And he could still lose.

[King Shizzo]

He wasn't smart, the NFL was stupid.  The process was what he got the suspension overturned with.  And he could still lose.

Hey, Americas Team: "The 2014 New England Patriots" is on NFL Network tonight at 10.

You should watch it, and be reminded what winning feels like.

[Royalty]

As I stated, months ago, earlier in this thread...

I'm a NY Giants fan; but I honestly don't care if the Pats cheated or not. I like seeing Tom Brady play.

[Grape Ape]

As I stated, months ago, earlier in this thread...

I'm a NY Giants fan; but I honestly don't care if the Pats cheated or not. I like seeing Tom Brady play.

Agree.  As a Giants fan, Tom Brady played in my two favorite football games ever.

[blinky]

The Pats play well in the rain. Did you notice it was RAINING last night? Hmmm?

ya cause he had good grip on the deflated balls 

[blinky]

Easy win for New England. 

All the usual crybabies will invent some "reason" that the game "really doesn't count" of course. 

easy??? no. Steelers blew lots of chances. 2 missed FG's plus that no TD where dude was wide open in the end zone but foot was out

[blinky]

to me 240 has become a getbig troll. I almost put him on the same level as june or past shizzo

[Carlton G. Long]

easy??? no. Steelers blew lots of chances. 2 missed FG's plus that no TD where dude was wide open in the end zone but foot was out

Easy win...no doubt about it.

[_aj_]

Just gonna leave this here...

http://yourteamcheats.com/cheaters/

[King Shizzo]

I love how the Giants are 5th on the list.

Cheating bastards.

[King Shizzo]

Here is a nice summary on Spygate:


SUMMARY: Stealing your opponent's signals has always been common and never been illegal.

Said former Pittsburgh Steelers head coach Bill Cowher, "We had people that always tried to steal signals. Stealing someone's signals was a part of the game, and everyone attempted to do that." Admitted former Dallas Cowboys head coach Jimmy Johnson: "When I came into the NFL, back in 1989, I talked to a Kansas City scout and he said, 'Here's what we do, we videotape the opposing team's signals and then we sync it up with the game film.' So I did it." Bragged, former Denver Broncos head coach Mike Shanahan: "Our guy keeps a pair of binoculars on their signal-callers every game, with any luck, we have their defensive signals figured out by halftime. Sometimes, by the end of the first quarter."

NFL commissioner and former Jets public relations intern Rodger Goodell confirmed this himself in 2008, saying that the issue was not stealing signals, that is allowed "and it is done quite widely." The issue is where and how you record them. If you chose to videotape them, then (after 2006) you have to do that from a league approved location. If you hire lip readers, they can do it from your coaches lap, if you want.

[Grape Ape]

Here is a nice summary on Spygate:

THIS is a better summary.  It's a bit more than location.  If you read it, you'll see the NFL did its best to try to make it go away - protecting the Patriots, but they just couldn't. stop. cheating....

http://deadspin.com/bombshell-espn-report-the-patriots-were-huge-cheaters-1729286402

As the Patriots became a dynasty and Belichick became the first coach to win three Super Bowls in four years, an entire system of covert videotaping was developed and a secret library created. “It got out of control,” a former Patriots assistant coach says. Sources with knowledge of the system say an advance scout would attend the games of upcoming Patriots opponents and assemble a spreadsheet of all the signals and corresponding plays. The scout would give it to Adams, who would spend most of the week in his office with the door closed, matching the notes to the tapes filmed from the sideline. Files were created, organized by opponent and by coach. During games, Walsh later told investigators, the Patriots’ videographers were told to look like media members, to tape over their team logos or turn their sweatshirt inside out, to wear credentials that said Patriots TV or Kraft Productions. The videographers also were provided with excuses for what to tell NFL security if asked what they were doing: Tell them you’re filming the quarterbacks. Or the kickers. Or footage for a team show.

Inside a room accessible only to Belichick and a few others, they found a library of scouting material containing videotapes of opponents’ signals, with detailed notes matching signals to plays for many teams going back seven seasons. Among them were handwritten diagrams of the defensive signals of the Pittsburgh Steelers, including the notes used in the January 2002 AFC Championship Game won by the Patriots 24-17. Yet almost as quickly as the tapes and notes were found, they were destroyed, on Goodell’s orders: League executives stomped the tapes into pieces and shredded the papers inside a Gillette Stadium conference room.

Pats will just be synonymous with cheating when teams are discussed.  Maybe it will go away over time, maybe it won't.   The fact that Collinsworth was talking about it during a live broacast tells me it's here to stay.

[King Shizzo]

THIS is a better summary.  It's a bit more than location.  If you read it, you'll see the NFL did its best to try to make it go away - protecting the Patriots, but they just couldn't. stop. cheating....

http://deadspin.com/bombshell-espn-report-the-patriots-were-huge-cheaters-1729286402

Pats will just be synonymous with cheating when teams are discussed.  Maybe it will go away over time, maybe it won't.   The fact that Collinsworth was talking about it during a live broacast tells me it's here to stay.

Facts are: All teams try to steal signals. How come people gloss over those quotes made by Cowher, Johnson, and Shanahan?

So basically, the Patriots got in trouble for perfecting what every team was already attempting to do. Every team was trying to steal signals on a certain level, its just the Patriots were better at it, and other teams were tired of the Patriots success.

It all boils down to rampant jealousy of the patriots organization.  It all started with that rat Eric Mangini, who told on the Patriots, yet was probably heavily involved with the signal stealing in the years prior.

Spygate was a witch hunt led by jealous coaches and teams around the league.  If you can't beat them, tell on them

[Grape Ape]

Facts are: All teams try to steal signals. How come people gloss over those quotes made by Cowher, Johnson, and Shanahan?

So basically, the Patriots got in trouble for perfecting what every team was already attempting to do. Every team was trying to steal signals on a certain level, its just the Patriots were better at it, and other teams were tired of the Patriots success.

It all boils down to rampant jealousy of the patriots organization.  It all started with that rat Eric Mangini, who told on the Patriots, yet was probably heavily involved with the signal stealing in the years prior.

Spygate was a witch hunt led by jealous coaches and teams around the league.  If you can't beat them, tell on them

Stop trying to justify the fact that your team cheats.

If you believe that the Patriots just accepted massive fines and loss of draft picks for doing something that every other team was doing, you're a bigger homer than I thought.

[King Shizzo]

Stop trying to justify the fact that your team cheats.

If you believe that the Patriots just accepted massive fines and loss of draft picks for doing something that every other team was doing, you're a bigger homer than I thought.

They all cheat on certain levels.

Are you implying that the Giants are squeeky clean?

They do a good job of faking injuries on the field, to slow games down. Remember that time when 3 Giants players fell to the ground at the same time, faking injuries?

I wonder who was coaching them to do that?

[Grape Ape]

They all cheat on certain levels.

Are you implying that the Giants are squeeky clean?

They do a good job of faking injuries on the field, to slow games down. Remember that time when 3 Giants players fell to the ground at the same time, faking injuries?

I wonder who was coaching them to do that?

There's a difference between on field gamesmanship and elaborate schemes of videotaping, disguising themselves, sneaking into other team's locker rooms, and having an employee dedicated to cheating.

Plus, once again,  the facts are the Pats have been fined twice now for cheating, with the massive fines and loss of draft picks.   Nationwide polls show that the majority of fans outside of NE do not believe them, and consider them cheaters.

It's very simple at this point:

Inside of NE: Pats do no wrong, or anything shady outside of what everyone else does, or people are jealous.  Their four titles are greater than any thing any football team has done.

Rest of rational thinking world: Pats cheated, got caught, and it's part of their legacy.

[Redux]

There's a difference between on field gamesmanship and elaborate schemes of videotaping, disguising themselves, sneaking into other team's locker rooms, and having an employee dedicated to cheating.

Plus, once again,  the facts are the Pats have been fined twice now for cheating, with the massive fines and loss of draft picks.   Nationwide polls show that the majority of fans outside of NE do not believe them, and consider them cheaters.

It's very simple at this point:

Inside of NE: Pats do no wrong, or anything shady outside of what everyone else does, or people are jealous.  Their four titles are greater than any thing any football team has done.

Rest of rational thinking world: Pats cheated, got caught, and it's part of their legacy.

It's very telling that NOBODY ever includes the Cheatriots in the discussion of greatest teams ever. You hear the usual greats--70's Steelers, 80's Niners, 90's Cowboys--but you NEVER hear anyone in the football community include the Cheatriots in the discussion.
Only douchebags want to win without also having the respect of their peers.  What's the value in winning if nobody cares or respects your accomplishments.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

It's very telling that NOBODY ever includes the Cheatriots in the discussion of greatest teams ever. You hear the usual greats--70's Steelers, 80's Niners, 90's Cowboys--but you NEVER hear anyone in the football community include the Cheatriots in the discussion.
Only douchebags want to win without also having the respect of their peers.  What's the value in winning if nobody cares or respects your accomplishments.

Which is weird because 70's Steelers were juiced to the gills and other teams weren't as a whole.

[Grape Ape]

Which is weird because 70's Steelers were juiced to the gills and other teams weren't as a whole.

It's not what they're known for in the court of public opinion.  People think of the steel curtain, terrible towel, etc with that team.

With NE it's cheating.

[King Shizzo]

It's very telling that NOBODY ever includes the Cheatriots in the discussion of greatest teams ever. You hear the usual greats--70's Steelers, 80's Niners, 90's Cowboys--but you NEVER hear anyone in the football community include the Cheatriots in the discussion.
Only douchebags want to win without also having the respect of their peers.  What's the value in winning if nobody cares or respects your accomplishments.

Even though I just showed you a quote from Jimmy Johnson saying that he was taught to tape coaching signals and then sync them up with the game film.

So I guess the Cowboy championships of the 90's are tainted too 

[TuHolmes]

Even though I just showed you a quote from Jimmy Johnson saying that he was taught to tape coaching signals and then sync them up with the game film.

So I guess the Cowboy championships of the 90's are tainted too 

There was more to that article.

I read it too.

[King Shizzo]

Jerry Rice admitted to using illegal stickum, to gain an advantage.

49ers championships are tainted too. 

[The Ugly]

Cheaters schmeaters, check out this kid - 722 yards/10 TDs in ONE FUCKING GAME:

http://nesn.com/2015/09/high-school-running-back-has-722-yards-10-tds-in-absurd-107-90-win/