SF - You are dead on balls accurate.. The idea that it takes hours up hours of killing yourself cardio and total starvation and grams of drugs - just to have abs and be ripped with muscle is in-fucking-sane..
I reply to dumbass posts that spew that nonsense so that maybe someone reading the post who is a newbie, or simply uninformed - doesn't believe it. I hope guys don't rush out and buy drugs trying to get in shape..
A guy with knowledge and a little discipline using NO drugs will 100% of the time get in better shape than an undisciplined, lazy, half-wit with UNLIMITED chemical help...