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Lol, this year is first time women allowed to try for Ranger School, all 20 women fail who try out, calls now for lighter gear

"On Friday, the Army is expected to announce that all the women who had attempted to graduate from Ranger School had officially failed to meet the standards, according to a military source.

 Ranger School, which grooms the Army’s most elite special operations fighting force, opened its doors to women for the first time this year. Eight of the 20 women who originally entered the school's first co-ed class were allowed to recycle through the program after they fell out in their first go-round. The Friday announcement will confirm that this happened again.

 To many, this means the system is working as it should: The Rangers are the best of the best, and being a Ranger means passing a physical test that pushes body and mind to the breaking point. If women can’t do it, the argument goes, then they shouldn’t be Rangers.

 But there is another opinion quietly being voiced as well: that Ranger School is more akin to a rite of passage – an opportunity for men to “thump their chest,” as one Ranger puts it – than a realistic preparation for leading in war. That women can actually make Ranger units more effective. And that the standards that keep them out are outdated.

 It isn't a way of thinking likely to gain great traction anytime soon. Gen. Raymond Odierno, the Army’s top officer, made this clear during a breakfast with reporters Thursday. While praising the performance of the women at the Ranger School, he added: “I’m actually fairly adamant about not changing the physical standards.”

Secretary of the Navy Ray Mabus told the Navy Times this week that once women start attending SEAL training, it would make sense to examine the standards. "First, we're going to make sure there are standards. Second, that they are gender-neutral, and third, that they have something to do with the job," he said.

 "Of course women don't want to change the standard – they don't want to be accused of lowering it," says Col. Jason Amerine, a Ranger and West Point graduate. "And men don't want to change it either, because it lets us thump our chest." [MUH PRIMITIVE MASCULINITY!!!]

 As a result, "women will always fight to meet the male standard, even if it's arbitrary and kind of stupid," he adds. "I'm often pretty horrified at the adversity they face, while they keep their mouths shut and deal with it."

 Others agree that the time has come for a conversation.

“I think it’ll be contentious, but I think it’s equitable and sensible to ask the question about what are the [Ranger School] standards that are only related to the fact that only men have ever done it," says retired Lt. Gen. David Barno, who served as the top commander of United States forces in Afghanistan, as well as three tours in Army Ranger battalions.

 This argument is less about gender equity than the firm belief that women can make Ranger battalions better. In modern warfare, relations with local populations are crucial, and women Rangers would provide unique value added in places such as Afghanistan or Iraq, where cultural norms often prohibit contact between male soldiers and women. Ranger School also showed women were innovative problem-solvers who offered fresh approaches in the field.

 On the battlefield itself, they have proven themselves. While at war, Colonel Amerine says, “I was rarely with female soldiers who couldn’t hang.”

To him, this raises the question of what Ranger School is actually about. As new technologies potentially make raw physical strength less important, the real challenge, many say, becomes bringing women’s leadership skills into the upper echelons of the armed forces.

 For Col. Jason Dempsey, a fellow Ranger and West Point graduate, this points to a need for “reassessing what war-fighting is, and what’s really important,” he says, rather than “having 100,000 guys who are essentially pack mules.”

The No. 1 Department of Veterans Affairs claim – made by 58 percent of all claimants – is muscular-skeletal injuries. “If we really are serious about integrating the force, the equipment we carry is going to be one of the things we have to have a hard conversation about,” Amerine says. “It’s in our grasp technologically to make things a lot lighter.”

Take away brute strength as one of the pillars of Ranger School, and its purpose begins to preparing Army soldiers to be excellent leaders, which has long been the promise of Ranger School, he adds.

 In that context, the Ranger pass-fail rates look different. After West Point invested four years building the men in Amerine’s class into leaders, “All of us were expected to go to Ranger School, and all of us were expected to pass,” he says. But that’s not true of women, “and I have a problem with that,” he adds. “I think there’s something fundamentally wrong with that structure.”


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Lol@ this comment on another forum

"As a ex rifleman in the Australian army I can safely say there is no way women should be allowed in combat units, my first year in the defence force was when they were trialling putting women into combat units and it was horrific, 3 women in my platoon temporarily, 1 female slept with one of our grunts then once he wasn't interested starting sleeping with his best mate, the two then couldn't perform in the field cohesively, and caused a lot of tension along with a lot of bishingfrom her about different soldiers and all kinds of bs, another female who was a die hard "grunt" and had been in training for ages n such had a prolapse from carrying a meer 30kg on her back for 8kms (men do minimum 15kms with 40kgs once yearly but usually pack March weekly depending on unit) the other female was a good soldier but they are purely 100% scientifically weaker than us physically, all 3 women had hip issues after the first few weeks and one of the huge concerns that rly fked us and made the other privates pretty mad was that women were allowed/forced to return to barracks every 4-5 days for fresh showers and hygiene issues due to vaginas being really really fukn easy to get infected, now imagine a recon grunt laying in a muddy cesspool for 2 weeks straight ****ting and pissing in your own clothes and tell me a female could do it? Fk no, they would have infection spread within days and be a liability on the unit, women CANNOT do what men can in the army and they are not built for what men do, even just their hormone levels is enough to say NO FKING WAY should they serve, lst thing I want is a moody bish on her rags next to me all emotion hyped up on estrogen and believe me it happens. + it's human nature that in a situation like that there will be some form of negative relations or jealously between men and women it's just not worth be risk.

 Sorry for sounding bitter but I just 100% know there isn't a single male that has served overseas in a real war outside the wire(not sitting in the back in a supply truck) that would want females in their section platoon, ****ing feminist kunts, next they will drop the physical standards cause it's negative towards overweight people and the fat acceptance movement will come charging in, chit isn't even debatable, sorry for sounding bitter but fk this chit rustled me, so many reasons why women shouldn't serve in combat"

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they did the same in the uk police

they changed the fitness test for dog handlers

after they all failed the test

they re did it with the easy one

there was 3 female applicants and 27 men

fortunately as they were told they needed a minimum of three female dog handlers

all three were offered a position purely through merit of course

two of them went off sick with stress within the first six months

the other one left after being given four different dogs as they kept dominating her and refusing to do as they were told

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they did the same in the uk police

they changed the fitness test for dog handlers

after they all failed the test

they re did it with the easy one

there was 3 female applicants and 27 men

fortunately as they were told they needed a minimum of three female dog handlers

all three were offered a position purely through merit of course

two of them went off sick with stress within the first six months

the other one left after being given four different dogs as they kept dominating her and refusing to do as they were told



Its madness, you wonder when its going to end

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there are loads of less physical jobs women can do in armoured units, reach echelon, navy and airforce.

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i think there's a place for women in military, the ronda rousey type should be able to hang with the men.

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i think there's a place for women in military, the ronda rousey type should be able to hang with the men.
You mean lesbians?  ???

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there are loads of less physical jobs women can do in armoured units, reach echelon, navy and airforce.

cooking and darning socks
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 Yeah, let's lower the standards so that we can allow more screw-ups like Jessica Lynch to be put into situations where other soldiers' lives are in their hands.

 Feminists just refuse to believe that the genders are different.

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cooking and darning socks
Men are actually better cooks/chefs.  The overwhelming majority of the best are not women.

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Lol@ this comment on another forum

"As a ex rifleman in the Australian army I can safely say there is no way women should be allowed in combat units, my first year in the defence force was when they were trialling putting women into combat units and it was horrific, 3 women in my platoon temporarily, 1 female slept with one of our grunts then once he wasn't interested starting sleeping with his best mate, the two then couldn't perform in the field cohesively, and caused a lot of tension along with a lot of bishingfrom her about different soldiers and all kinds of bs, another female who was a die hard "grunt" and had been in training for ages n such had a prolapse from carrying a meer 30kg on her back for 8kms (men do minimum 15kms with 40kgs once yearly but usually pack March weekly depending on unit) the other female was a good soldier but they are purely 100% scientifically weaker than us physically, all 3 women had hip issues after the first few weeks and one of the huge concerns that rly fked us and made the other privates pretty mad was that women were allowed/forced to return to barracks every 4-5 days for fresh showers and hygiene issues due to vaginas being really really fukn easy to get infected, now imagine a recon grunt laying in a muddy cesspool for 2 weeks straight ****ting and pissing in your own clothes and tell me a female could do it? Fk no, they would have infection spread within days and be a liability on the unit, women CANNOT do what men can in the army and they are not built for what men do, even just their hormone levels is enough to say NO FKING WAY should they serve, lst thing I want is a moody bish on her rags next to me all emotion hyped up on estrogen and believe me it happens. + it's human nature that in a situation like that there will be some form of negative relations or jealously between men and women it's just not worth be risk.

 Sorry for sounding bitter but I just 100% know there isn't a single male that has served overseas in a real war outside the wire(not sitting in the back in a supply truck) that would want females in their section platoon, ****ing feminist kunts, next they will drop the physical standards cause it's negative towards overweight people and the fat acceptance movement will come charging in, chit isn't even debatable, sorry for sounding bitter but fk this chit rustled me, so many reasons why women shouldn't serve in combat"

Haha this brother speaks the truth, what is his account name?

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So much for equality.

Equity: the incapable's equality.

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So much for equality.

Equity: the incapable's equality.

Yup.  People like this  only demand equality with those they envy and failing that, they demand not more from themselves but less from the standard they failed at achieving.

I have no idea if I made any sense.  Dammit!  ;D

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Lol@ this comment on another forum

"As a ex rifleman in the Australian army I can safely say there is no way women should be allowed in combat units, my first year in the defence force was when they were trialling putting women into combat units and it was horrific, 3 women in my platoon temporarily, 1 female slept with one of our grunts then once he wasn't interested starting sleeping with his best mate, the two then couldn't perform in the field cohesively, and caused a lot of tension along with a lot of bishingfrom her about different soldiers and all kinds of bs, another female who was a die hard "grunt" and had been in training for ages n such had a prolapse from carrying a meer 30kg on her back for 8kms (men do minimum 15kms with 40kgs once yearly but usually pack March weekly depending on unit) the other female was a good soldier but they are purely 100% scientifically weaker than us physically, all 3 women had hip issues after the first few weeks and one of the huge concerns that rly fked us and made the other privates pretty mad was that women were allowed/forced to return to barracks every 4-5 days for fresh showers and hygiene issues due to vaginas being really really fukn easy to get infected, now imagine a recon grunt laying in a muddy cesspool for 2 weeks straight ****ting and pissing in your own clothes and tell me a female could do it? Fk no, they would have infection spread within days and be a liability on the unit, women CANNOT do what men can in the army and they are not built for what men do, even just their hormone levels is enough to say NO FKING WAY should they serve, lst thing I want is a moody bish on her rags next to me all emotion hyped up on estrogen and believe me it happens. + it's human nature that in a situation like that there will be some form of negative relations or jealously between men and women it's just not worth be risk.

 Sorry for sounding bitter but I just 100% know there isn't a single male that has served overseas in a real war outside the wire(not sitting in the back in a supply truck) that would want females in their section platoon, ****ing feminist kunts, next they will drop the physical standards cause it's negative towards overweight people and the fat acceptance movement will come charging in, chit isn't even debatable, sorry for sounding bitter but fk this chit rustled me, so many reasons why women shouldn't serve in combat"

This. Nothing annoys the fuck out of me more than weak, insignificant people trying to 'prove' themselves to others that KNOW they have no business being there in the first place. Feminism got them mentally ill and sick in the head and giving them the need to buzz around men with bitchy attitudes. They wanna be us and we laugh at the thought of being like them. We joke about it. We use it as insults to other men. Because it is an insult.

I for one would love for a few women to serve on the frontline in Afghanistan. When a malnutrition goat herder effortlessly disarm them and proceed to run a train on them, they'd long for the sweetness of home and a pair of safe strong arms. And maybe then it'll make some women sit up and think that there's some places you just don't belong and never will.
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If you cant do the job you cant do the job,pretty simple.That would be like letting high school dropouts be heart surgeons even though they cant pass the exams cause theey are to hard.

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13th century BC – Jael assassinated Sisera, a retreating general who was the enemy of the Israelites, according to Judges 5:23–27.
1200–1000 BC roughly – The Rigveda (RV 1 and RV 10) mentions a female warrior named Vishpala, who lost a leg in battle, had an iron prosthesis made, and returned to warfare
10th century BC[20] - According to Greek legendary history, Messene conquered a territory and founded a city at roughly this time
Late 9th century BC-8th century BC – Shammuramat (Semiramis) ruled the Assyrian Empire.[25][26] She was the first woman to rule an empire without a man ruling with her.[
6th through 4th century BC – Women are buried with weapons as well as jewelry on the Kazakhstan-Russia border at roughly this time.[
6th century BC[41] - Pheretima (Cyrenaean Queen) leads a military
530 BC – Historian Herodotus,[47] recorded that queen Tomyris of the Massagetae fought and defeated Cyrus the Great
510 BC – Greek poet Telesilla, defended the city of Argos from the Spartans
5th century BC – The Lady of Yue trained the soldiers of the army of King Goujian of Yue
403–221 BC – During the Warring States period of China,[70] Sun Tzu wrote a contemporary report of how Ho Lu, King of Wu, tested his skill by ordering him to train an army of 180 women.
4th century BC – Cynane, a half-sister to Alexander the Great, accompanied her father on a military campaign and killed an Illyrian leader named Caeria in hand-to-hand combat, and defeated the Illyrian army

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Great, assuming none of their larger, male comrades are ever disabled in combat.

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Don't forget Harriet Tubman.  She led an attack on a Confederate Militia.
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its not the womens fault that the male soldiers are too fat

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gamechanger, i think you're missing the point a bit mate. No one's doubting that women have fought in battles throughout history, or that they can be trained to fire a gun etc. There are many amazing female athletes, and there are many females in the military who have done amazing things and are extremely capable. There are plenty female top level intelligence officers for example, doing extremely difficult jobs. There are female medics who have won medals for bravery.....the issue is specifically having them in a mixed role in the infantry, which comes with all the issues mentioned above.
It is not right to drop standards, and risk the lives of others in order to appease female chauvinists who do not want to face up to reality.

maybe the standards needs re-doing anyway

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its not the womens fault that the male soldiers are too fat

Please link me to "fat combat soldiers."

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Please link me to "fat combat soldiers."