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pellius · « **Reply #50 on:** June 06, 2015, 05:52:05 AM »

Quote from: Donny on June 06, 2015, 05:28:36 AM

so you don´t know Kime no Kata or Goshin Jutsu Kata? Katame no kata ... the forms of grappling ?

Nope. Never heard of any of that. And I doubt anybody I know: people that roll everyday, people that are Mundial champions, Abu Dhabi champions, and UFC champions (B.J. Penn and Rico Rodriguez) have heard of these forms of grappling either.

Why are they hiding. How come they don't compete with the best in the world in Sambo and try their hand in the Abu Dhabi trials?

Maybe they are the greatest grapplers in the world but it's pointless if they just hide and train in some secluded monastery by themselves.

Seems odd that someone will devote their lives to a fighting and/or grappling art but never test themselves and show and share with the world this great thing. Similar to what Rorion Gracie did. Challenging martial artists to real fights. Offering 10 grand to anyone who could beat them. Starting the UFC to give a platform for martial artist throughout the world to test themselves and show and prove to the world the best fighting system.

But like you said: I don't understand.

pellius · « **Reply #51 on:** June 06, 2015, 05:53:10 AM »

Quote from: devilsmile on June 06, 2015, 05:46:41 AM

Suck a dick, straight up like that !

I see what you did there.

Donny · « **Reply #52 on:** June 06, 2015, 05:56:36 AM »

Quote from: bigmc on June 06, 2015, 05:51:05 AM

im telling you from years of actual fighting experience

that all the knowledge in the world means shit

when the fighting starts

why do you think fighters spar for hours and hours on end?

sorry buddy but you are not a person i take serious. i noticed you were quite for a while on here. looking for a comeback?.. won´t happen because you are what you are, a coward. your fighting experience you showed me before...you never showed up.

pellius · « **Reply #53 on:** June 06, 2015, 06:03:49 AM »

Quote from: bigmc on June 06, 2015, 05:51:05 AM

im telling you from years of actual fighting experience

that all the knowledge in the world means shit

when the fighting starts

why do you think fighters spar for hours and hours on end?

I consider boxing a sport and not an actual, nor the best, street fighting art. But during the "challenge" days what made the boxers by far the most formidable and dangerous opponents was that they were real athletes and trained in real full contact situations. Virtually all the martials during that period did no full contact fighting. Just having the physical contact is so, so important. Actually hitting someone and getting hit. Boxing is run like an competitive sport based on a meritocracy and trained like athletes. Martial arts are run like a business. In boxing, like wrestling, if you can't cut it you quit or are kicked out. What does the coach care? One less dead weight holding everybody back. In martial arts if you lose a student you lose money. They push you through and give your belts no matter how useless you are in a real encounter.

Boxers are hitting and punching and getting punched everyday. I'll put my money on a serious boxer over a serious martial artist every time if I knew nothing else about them. And in the street, forget it. People think it's easy to punch effectively until they actually try it. To a boxer it's second nature and will drop the average thug while eating a subway sandwich.

Radical Plato · « **Reply #54 on:** June 06, 2015, 06:08:14 AM »

Aikido is a bullshido that attracts weaklings who don't want to learn how to actually fight but how to learn to delude themselves that they can fight. Convincing themselves that they can fight when they can't seems better to such people than living with the truth that they can't fight and don't have the fortitude to box or wrestle.

Donny · « **Reply #55 on:** June 06, 2015, 06:09:46 AM »

Quote from: pellius on June 06, 2015, 06:03:49 AM

I consider boxing a sport and not an actual, nor the best, street fighting art. But during the "challenge" days what made the boxers by far the most formidable and dangerous opponents was that they were real athletes and trained in real full contact situations. Virtually all the martials during that period did no full contact fighting. Just having the physical contact is so, so important. Actually hitting someone and getting hit. Boxing is run like an competitive sport based on a meritocracy and trained like athletes. Martial arts are run like a business. In boxing, like wrestling, if you can't cut it you quit or are kicked out. What does the coach care? One less dead weight holding everybody back. In martial arts if you lose a student you lose money. They push you through and give your belts no matter how useless you are in a real encounter.

Boxers are hitting and punching and getting punched everyday. I'll put my money on a serious boxer over a serious martial artist every time if I knew nothing else about them. And in the street, forget it. People think it's easy to punch effectively until they actually try it. To a boxer it's second nature and will drop the average thug while eating a subway sandwich.

maybe Aikido/Daito Ryu is too advanced for you? i boxed in the Army. What does a Boxer do? Sabaki, he moves and with purpose. Aikido is way more advanced.

Mr Anabolic · « **Reply #56 on:** June 06, 2015, 06:14:22 AM »

A real test would be to put one of these martial arts experts in the middle of an inner city riot.. let's see what they can do then.

DanielPaul · « **Reply #57 on:** June 06, 2015, 06:15:49 AM »

He is in dire need of some weight loss, it could probably do wonders for his career

Donny · « **Reply #58 on:** June 06, 2015, 06:20:11 AM »

Quote from: Radical Plato on June 06, 2015, 06:08:14 AM

Aikido is a bullshido that attracts weaklings who don't want to learn how to actually fight but how to learn to delude themselves that they can fight. Convincing themselves that they can fight when they can't seems better to such people than living with the truth that they can't fight and don't have the fortitude to box or wrestle.

The people i have met and trained with were people who spent years training in the hard systems but later in the soft systems. you do not understand. When you later understand Kokyu.. then you are a Master.

bigmc · « **Reply #59 on:** June 06, 2015, 06:21:27 AM »

Quote from: pellius on June 06, 2015, 06:03:49 AM

I consider boxing a sport and not an actual, nor the best, street fighting art. But during the "challenge" days what made the boxers by far the most formidable and dangerous opponents was that they were real athletes and trained in real full contact situations. Virtually all the martials during that period did no full contact fighting. Just having the physical contact is so, so important. Actually hitting someone and getting hit. Boxing is run like an competitive sport based on a meritocracy and trained like athletes. Martial arts are run like a business. In boxing, like wrestling, if you can't cut it you quit or are kicked out. What does the coach care? One less dead weight holding everybody back. In martial arts if you lose a student you lose money. They push you through and give your belts no matter how useless you are in a real encounter.

Boxers are hitting and punching and getting punched everyday. I'll put my money on a serious boxer over a serious martial artist every time if I knew nothing else about them. And in the street, forget it. People think it's easy to punch effectively until they actually try it. To a boxer it's second nature and will drop the average thug while eating a subway sandwich.

Donny lives in a fantasy world

he wanted me to pay him 5k to fly over to the uk to throw hands

he then rang the gym and tried to get them to sue me to get out of the fight

he has a drink problem

I feel a little sorry for him

best not to try and argue with him he will start sending you death threats by pm

dr.chimps · « **Reply #60 on:** June 06, 2015, 06:23:05 AM »

Good thread. We got book learnin' martial arts vs. practical martial arts. I know where my money is.

Donny · « **Reply #61 on:** June 06, 2015, 06:24:34 AM »

Kokyu is Breathing ...life. The throws are an extension of your breath...

Radical Plato · « **Reply #62 on:** June 06, 2015, 06:25:37 AM »

Quote from: bigmc on June 06, 2015, 06:21:27 AM

Donny lives in a fantasy world

he wanted me to pay him 5k to fly over to the uk to throw hands

he then rang the gym and tried to get them to sue me to get out of the fight

he has a drink problem

I feel a little sorry for him

best not to try and argue with him he will start sending you death threats by pm

I suspect Donny is trolling. But if he seriously believes aikido is actually practical for learning how to fight then he is just another deluded idiot. There are countless morons who believe in all types of airy fairy beliefs like ghosts and ESP and the like. Some people just don't like to face cold hard reality and prefer believing in voodoo and spirits and invisible energies and the like.

OlympiaGym · « **Reply #63 on:** June 06, 2015, 06:29:52 AM »

Quote from: pellius on June 06, 2015, 06:03:49 AM

I consider boxing a sport and not an actual, nor the best, street fighting art. But during the "challenge" days what made the boxers by far the most formidable and dangerous opponents was that they were real athletes and trained in real full contact situations. Virtually all the martials during that period did no full contact fighting. Just having the physical contact is so, so important. Actually hitting someone and getting hit. Boxing is run like an competitive sport based on a meritocracy and trained like athletes. Martial arts are run like a business. In boxing, like wrestling, if you can't cut it you quit or are kicked out. What does the coach care? One less dead weight holding everybody back. In martial arts if you lose a student you lose money. They push you through and give your belts no matter how useless you are in a real encounter.

Boxers are hitting and punching and getting punched everyday. I'll put my money on a serious boxer over a serious martial artist every time if I knew nothing else about them. And in the street, forget it. People think it's easy to punch effectively until they actually try it. To a boxer it's second nature and will drop the average thug while eating a subway sandwich.

Great post although now a lot of boxing gyms are run the same way as martial arts places - they just want to keep people active and coming back, its not about competitive boxing.

This is a quality thread.

Donny · « **Reply #64 on:** June 06, 2015, 06:30:17 AM »

Quote from: Radical Plato on June 06, 2015, 06:25:37 AM

I suspect Donny is trolling. But if he seriously believes aikido is actually practical for learning how to fight then he is just another deluded idiot. There are countless morons who believe in all types of airy fairy beliefs like ghosts and ESP and the like. Some people just don't like to face cold hard reality and prefer believing in voodoo and spirits and invisible energies and the like.

Don´t understand why Fatmac makes up stories... he is an internet mouth piece, nothing more...as for me being a troll, no i have been involved in Boxing,Wado Ryu,Wing Tzun,Aikido, Jeet Kune Do.

pellius · « **Reply #65 on:** June 06, 2015, 06:31:28 AM »

Quote from: Donny on June 06, 2015, 06:09:46 AM

maybe Aikido/Daito Ryu is too advanced for you? i boxed in the Army. What does a Boxer do? Sabaki, he moves and with purpose. Aikido is way more advanced.

Perhaps. I wish you could show me. Then we'll share... how do you folks say it over there? A pint? And one of use will leave the wiser.

Cheers, my friend.

bigmc · « **Reply #66 on:** June 06, 2015, 06:31:44 AM »

Quote from: Donny on June 06, 2015, 06:30:17 AM

Don´t understand why Fatmac makes up stories... he is an internet mouth piece, nothing more...as for me being a troll, no i have been involved in Boxing,Wado Ryu,Wing Tzun,Aikido, Jeet Kune Do.

Quote from: Donny on October 24, 2013, 10:07:50 AM

Fatmac will not pay for me to come over and fight him, so i think maybe we could do a collection for my flight and Board. The Money will go to charity(fat Boys 5k).. set up an account.

your move creep

geeizback · « **Reply #67 on:** June 06, 2015, 06:34:05 AM »

pellius becoming my 'today's favourite poster'

in my years I have trained in the following- I do fuck all now apart from hit the bag and do some pad work but sparring sessions are few and far between

I did

boxing
muay thai
lau gar kung fu
hung gar jung fu
kyokushinkai
judo
tkd
FSK

Boxing- pellius is right- you'd turn up train hurt and expect to be hurt. if you lasted 3 months you stayed- most didn't. If you've boxed to, even a club level, can throw a dig and see a dig coming you will come out of a fair amount of punch ups ok. I boxed at transport amongst other clubs and they had some great fighters

muay thai- good sparring but I found the skill levels mixable- this was at Skens in Manchester. the good fighters were amazing, the others were fairly shite

lau gar- trained under world champ brian nelson- amazingly quick but it was all point stop stuff and about winning stop start point fights I found the grading techniques laughably bad and technical poor

hung gar- at a community centre in Liverpool's chinatown - the black-e'. The instructor was chinese spoke only chinese and was only interested in talking to the chinese and taking our money. abject shite.

kyokushinkai- a lovely hard style with loads of sparring- really enjoyed it

judo- great sport but the practical application of someone punching through a guard and levelling you didn't add up to me. but amazing skills and of its type a formidable system but only within that structure.

FSK- trained under alfie lewis with frenchie, andy boyce, peter o para and co. the single best fighting stable I've seen- a fucking conveyer belt where no quarter was given and gym wars were an everyday occurrence. this club of 60-80 people in toxteth DOMINATED WAKO semi and full contact for years. not shocked.when competing even at a young age the entire club would turn out and support you- an intimidating club and einvironment.

TKD- loved it loved its artistry, loved the footwork but ultimately like lay gar, and hung limited on the road as it were.

pellius - alfie lewis of FSK who I mentioned used to say the thing that made him laugh about martial arts at the time was how badly conditioned people were. it was no wonder boxers used to laugh at people going over when caught in the gut or having trouble with stain in points stop.

this is years back and with MMA etc its a different thing but I stand by this. If I wanted to show someone how to learn how to defend themselves they would learn more in 4 weeks boxing than all the other arts combined.

pellius · « **Reply #68 on:** June 06, 2015, 06:35:37 AM »

Quote from: Donny on June 06, 2015, 06:24:34 AM

Kokyu is Breathing ...life. The throws are an extension of your breath...

A punch is a punch. The extension of your arm as the fist crashes into your face as blood gushes out of each breath you take.

Donny · « **Reply #69 on:** June 06, 2015, 06:37:34 AM »

Quote from: bigmc on June 06, 2015, 06:31:44 AM

your move creep

mate you shat your pants. Let´s get the story straight. I phoned up the Gyms and they told me they never heard of you. A coward.

Donny · « **Reply #70 on:** June 06, 2015, 06:39:35 AM »

Quote from: pellius on June 06, 2015, 06:35:37 AM

A punch is a punch. The extension of your arm as the fist crashes into your face as blood gushes out of each breath you take.

so when will you come over?

bigmc · « **Reply #71 on:** June 06, 2015, 06:42:38 AM »

Quote from: Donny on June 06, 2015, 06:37:34 AM

mate you shat your pants. Let´s get the story straight. I phoned up the Gyms and they told me they never heard of you. A coward.

yes lets

my story is

you wanted five k to come over knowing no one would agree to that nonsense

you then phoned a load of gyms in Liverpool about 200 miles away from where I live asking if they had ever heard of nik Macintyre who you thought was me

you then tried to get them to sue nik Macintyre for arranging an illegal fight

which part of this are you disputing

oh and you never showed up

Tapeworm · « **Reply #72 on:** June 06, 2015, 06:43:39 AM »

Quote from: DanielPaul on June 06, 2015, 06:15:49 AM

He is in dire need of some weight loss, it could probably do wonders for his career

He is spoken of in hushed tones in Osaka's ushiro clubs as a cock swallower of much renown.

Donny · « **Reply #73 on:** June 06, 2015, 06:45:26 AM »

Quote from: bigmc on June 06, 2015, 06:42:38 AM

yes lets

my story is

you wanted five k to come over knowing no one would agree to that nonsense

you then phoned a load of gyms in Liverpool about 200 miles away from where I live asking if they had ever heard of nik Macintyre who you thought was me

you then tried to get them to sue nik Macintyre for arranging an illegal fight

which part of this are you disputing

oh and you never showed up

you are a coward.

devilsmile · « **Reply #74 on:** June 06, 2015, 06:45:44 AM »

How can even this many getbiggers defend aikido? AIKIDO?!!!

Yes the philosophy of aikido is legit, and if you are strong, extremely advanced aikido practitioner and your opponent is a completely disoriented drunk old man then YES you can implement akido on him. But that is IT!

As an impartial dude I had to find something positive to say about aikido. But an all aikido practitioner vs any punch/kick/take down martial artist- will end up embarrassingly for the aikido practitioner.