Hurricane Queef?

[_aj_]

I used to be on the gymnastics team at university so was okay on the rings. Most bodybuilders are too heavy to use them like

in the video. If you want to use dumbbells with the supination effect then get some that you can load unevenly on each side.

Have the heavy side on the bottom when curling and try to fully supinate about when the dumbbells are parallel with the floor.

You can also use dumbbells with wide handles and grip them towards one side. Keep the longer side at the bottom when curling up

and voila, supination curls. Okay, but rather difficult to do properly. My machine takes all that fooling around out of the exercise

and you get a more direct supination and you feel it throughout the movement. Larry Scott did curls in a way that engaged the

supinators and built fabulous arms that way. He had his biceps insertion go almost to the elbow joint.

I am pretty sure that modern kinesiology says muscle insertions and attachments are genetic. Also The biceps attaches at the elbow, it inserts at the deltoid.

[Vince B]

I am pretty sure that modern kinesiology says muscle insertions and attachments are genetic. Also The biceps attaches at the elbow, it inserts at the deltoid.

It is always refreshing to hear the correct opinion of an expert. Unfortunately you are mistaken re insertion and origin of the biceps.

[Grape Ape]

It is always refreshing to hear the correct opinion of an expert.

Insertions ARE genetic though, no?  How could they be manipulated?

Unless you're not suggesting that and I read your post incorrectly.

[chaos]

What gym uses your equipment besides yours? What companies have bought or used your patents or equipment?

So.....

[Vince B]

So.....

You should come to Australia and see my equipment for yourself. Then you won't have to ask silly questions.

[SF1900]

[Vince B]

Despite the Photoshops the machine is quite simple. And so it should be. Just looks complicated because of the two pulley systems on the one machine.

[TTfit]

Old beliefs never die which is a pity. There is no comparison with barbells. You would know this after just one set on my machine. At least with dumbbells one can do some supination by turning the handles as you curl them.

I believe it. I really do.

[Donny]

I used to be on the gymnastics team at university so was okay on the rings. Most bodybuilders are too heavy to use them like

in the video. If you want to use dumbbells with the supination effect then get some that you can load unevenly on each side.

Have the heavy side on the bottom when curling and try to fully supinate about when the dumbbells are parallel with the floor.

You can also use dumbbells with wide handles and grip them towards one side. Keep the longer side at the bottom when curling up

and voila, supination curls. Okay, but rather difficult to do properly. My machine takes all that fooling around out of the exercise

and you get a more direct supination and you feel it throughout the movement. Larry Scott did curls in a way that engaged the

supinators and built fabulous arms that way. He had his biceps insertion go almost to the forearms.

Reeves as you know did incline curls with an off set bell or you can press your pinky tight against the inner plate. Infact he did this with chest Flys too.

[The Ugly]

Supination is unnecessary.

[Donny]

Supination is unnecessary.

Why?

[The Ugly]

Why?

Because biceps aren't that picky.

[Donny]

Because biceps aren't that picky.

It is a small muscle group but very important... flexion and supernation in the elbow. training the Brachialis. I think it is important.

[Voice of Doom]

Vince B gimmick is gonna gimmick   

[Donny]

Vince B gimmick is gonna gimmick   

If you do hammer curls put your hand on your bicep, do a regular DB curl palms up you can feel itīs different

[The Ugly]

It is a small muscle group but very important... flexion and supernation in the elbow. training the Brachialis. I think it is important.

It responds to simplicity is all. Wrist-twisting isn't gonna add enough to the exercise to justify injury risk. Agree on brachialis, though; hammers thicken the arm where a straight bar or db curl usually can't.

Unless you got Ronnie or Phil genes - those arms probably blow up everywhere just from lifting a beer.

[Henda]

Vince, perhaps the reason that the biceps supinator has not achieved world wide success is failure to market your magnificent creation correctly, perhaps if you and goodrum settled your differences and arranged a photoshoot of this phenomenal Young stud pumping up his mighty black biceps, his masculine test filled sweat dripping over the unique chrome twin pulley handles, this magnificent inspirational sight sending the industry top brand names into a bidding frenzy.

[TuHolmes]

Somehow this goes from this Beef guy to being about BigMC to being solely about Basile and his bicep thingamajig.

Ah... getbig... You never fail to surprise.

[Donny]

It responds to simplicity is all. Wrist-twisting isn't gonna add enough to the exercise to justify injury risk. Agree on brachialis, though; hammers thicken the arm where a straight bar or db curl usually won't.

Unless you got Ronnie or Phil genes - those arms probably blow everywhere just from lifting a beer.

Simplicity is good but knowledge is better. My best Bicep builder is undergrip chins.. but Incline curls with an off set grip hits it all. You have to hit it all. No one built great arms with one movement. One Bodybuilder i like and respect is Bill Grant. Explains so much in his videos. he loves supersets for arms.

[andreisdaman]

Somehow this goes from this Beef guy to being about BigMC to being solely about Basile and his bicep thingamajig.

Ah... getbig... You never fail to surprise.

Good point...I like Vince but he's the ultimate thread hi-jacker

[Donny]

Good point...I like Vince but he's the ultimate thread hi-jacker

Vince is on the right track with his ideas about Bicep training. Is his machine good ? I canīt say. he has a very arrogant approach and this upsets people on here. I am willing to bet that his machine is no better than an incline curl ala Steve Reeves.

[Vince B]

Vince is on the right track with his ideas about Bicep training. Is his machine good ? I canīt say. he has a very arrogant approach and this upsets people on here. I am willing to bet that his machine is no better than an incline curl ala Steve Reeves.

I have the advantage of having the only biceps-supinator in existence. I know what it can do for the biceps. If Donny trained on it he wouldn't make the claim about dumbbell curls being superior. He confuses arrogance with confidence.

[Donny]

I have the advantage of having the only biceps-supinator in existence. I know what it can do for the biceps. If Donny trained on it he wouldn't make the claim about dumbbell curls being superior. He confuses arrogance with confidence.

Pay my ticket and i will come and try it.

[geeizback]

vince

do you not think the fact that nobody- from arthur jones to present day has shown any interest in this or done their own is evidence that its an exercise in futility?

serious question.

also when asked to extrapolate on the 'science' behind it you don't. why? is it guesswork?

[Vince B]

vince

do you not think the fact that nobody- from arthur jones to present day has shown any interest in this or done their own is evidence that its an exercise in futility?

serious question.

also when asked to extrapolate on the 'science' behind it you don't. why? is it guesswork?

Cybex told me they want machines that a 35 year old woman would want to use. Nautilus never replied.

There is no science behind the machine, just an idea about something new and effective. Getting the mechanism to work took some thinking.

Then refining the machine once built took the most time and effort. When you install a machine in a gym you get feedback. Over 14 years I

learned some things about how people used it and made modifications accordingly. This is where you learn about the mechanics of physiology.

Most manufacturers have little clue about building a decent biceps machine.