Pedophilia More Common Among 'Gays'

[muscleman-2013]

4) the major flaw in the study is that they label any male pedophile who has molested at least one male child as homosexual, even if he has dozens of female child victims, even if he's otherwise married to a women, and even if he's never had sex with a post pubescent male.

Really?  Can you back up this claim?  I would be happy to see the proof..

Still waiting Tim..

[timfogarty]

Still waiting Tim..

First, from your own article:

Jay Heavener, spokesman for http://www.pflag.org/ PFLAG - Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays, counters that federal crime data refute claims that homosexuals molest children at higher rates than heterosexuals.
 
"According to data from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), this claim is false," he told WND by e-mail. "The gay and lesbian community calls into question any dubious research which flies in the face of our own experience."

and googling the title of the report mentioned in your article, "Child Molestation and the Homosexual Movement", points us to http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/tag/steven-baldwin which states

As might be expected, Baldwin is no friend of the gay community. His article written for the Regent University Law Review, Child Molestation and the Homosexual Movement, is a recitation of fabrications and oft-repeated but debunked demonizations.
...
The thesis is breathtaking in its dishonesty.

As we have shown, the premises behind such claims are based on the false assumption that every adult who molests a child of the same sex is, by default, homosexual even if he identifies as heterosexual, is married, and has a long string of opposite sex victims.

which then points to http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/Articles/000,002.htm where lots of evidence is given on how anti-gay "researchers" distort the data to fit their agenda. such as

During the 1992 campaign for Colorado’s Amendment 2 (which would have barred local anti-discrimination laws based on sexual orientation), the group supporting the amendment, Colorado For Family Values, repeated the charge that 3% of the population was responsible for 30% of all child molestation cases. But Denver-area doctors, caseworkers and investigators knew that these charges didn’t match their own experience.

Dr. Carole Jenny was the director of the Child Advocacy and Protection Team at Denver's Childrens Hospital, and she also directed medical programs at the C. Henry Kempe National Center for the Prevention and Treatment of Child Abuse and Neglect. Dr. Jenny and her colleagues reviewed 269 medical records of Denver-area children who were sexually abused by adults. Of 50 male children, 37 (74%) were molested by men who had been in a heterosexual relationship with the child’s relative. Three were molested by women, five were molested by both parents, and three others were molested by non-relatives. Only one perpetrator could be identified as being possibly homosexual in his adult behavior.

Let’s consider what this means. If these men who abused boys in this study were in our stadium, all but one would have answered “no” to the question “Are you gay?” And not only did they say they were not gay, they were married, had girlfriends, or were otherwise known to have sexual relationships with women. If law enforcement had been looking for the perpetrators among gay men, they never would have found them. They would have missed 49 of these 50 sexual predators because they would have been hidden among the 9,700 in our stadium who said they were not gay.

Dr. Jenny and her associates concluded that even if you use the worst case possibilities in their sample, no more than 3.1% of child sexual abuse cases reported to the Denver clinic were abused by someone who could be identified as possibly being gay, a proportion that closely matches the proportion of openly gay men and women overall.

and then concludes

It doesn’t matter how often the lie is repeated; it still remains false. Dr. Michael R. Stevenson conducted an exhaustive review of the literature in 2000, and concluded that “a gay man is no more likely than a straight man to perpetrate sexual activity with children,” and “cases of perpetration of sexual behavior with a pre-pubescent child by an adult lesbian are virtually nonexistent”. The research is so strong that the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatrists and the American Psychological Association are on record saying that there is no relationship between homosexuality and child sexual abuse.

These anti-gay activists know that their claims are false. They’ve read the research from the most knowledgeable experts in the field — the same research I reviewed here in this article. They must know that the falsehoods they are spreading contradict what the researchers themselves are saying.

But they keep spreading their accusations because they know how effective they are. Every parent would consider it his or her worst nightmare to discover that their innocent child has been sexually violated. And anti-gay activists feed on that fear to further their agenda because, as Colorado for Family Values founder Tony Marco observed, “It is easier to nauseate than it is to educate.”

read the whole report http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/Articles/000,002.htm

[timfogarty]

Ok, so a transsexual is in the wrong body; and a transvestite, then, is just in the wrong clothes. So why is the costume-wearer under the gay umbrella, when we're constantly beaten over the head with how they're not always gay?

cross dressing is a fetish for some, a halloween costume for others.  A way to be something different for a few hours.  Anything different, especially wrt gender, was labeled queer.

And where is the gender/orientation vs. mental disorder line, Tim? Seems we're getting pretty close here, no?

bigorexia could be considered a mental disorder.  

In the past, homosexual attraction was considered a mental disorder.  Lots of treatments were tried and none of them worked.  In fact the treatments caused unbearable suffering and many deaths.   finally it was realized that  homosexual attraction was not a mental disorder, that gays and lesbians lived happy and productive lives.  

And people who feel they were born the wrong gender were treated as having a mental disorder.  Various treatments were tried to get them to accept their birth gender, none worked.  In fact research shows that almost all gender non-conforming children know by age 5, and that their views don't change as they grow into adulthood.  And the attempted suicide rate of transgender adolescents is over 40%.  So, if you find that your child is gender non-conforming, and you don't want to risk a 40% chance of suicide in adolescences, you let your child express him/herself as they wish.  Then before adolescences, if the child still wishes to transition, you let the child take medicines to suppress their adolescent hormones until they'r older, usually 18, when they can decide whether to fully transition.  By suppressing the "wrong" adolescence, they will look completely "normal" after transitioning.

[Irongrip400]

So at what point doe pedophiles start screaming that they were born this way, it's not a disease, and that society should accept them and their lifestyle? How long after that are there advocates for them and make this a social norm as well? Where is the line drawn?

[muscleman-2013]

So at what point doe pedophiles start screaming that they were born this way, it's not a disease, and that society should accept them and their lifestyle? How long after that are there advocates for them and make this a social norm as well? Where is the line drawn?

They already have that recognition, in Africa, India and the Middle East.

[Irongrip400]

They already have that recognition, in Africa, India and the Middle East.

What?!

[MANGOOS]

So at what point doe pedophiles start screaming that they were born this way, it's not a disease, and that society should accept them and their lifestyle? How long after that are there advocates for them and make this a social norm as well? Where is the line drawn?

So true!!! Why does homosexuals have rights but other sickos doesnt?

[SuperTed]

So at what point doe pedophiles start screaming that they were born this way, it's not a disease, and that society should accept them and their lifestyle? How long after that are there advocates for them and make this a social norm as well? Where is the line drawn?

There are such groups that exist or have existed. In the UK, there was a group called the Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE) back in the mid 70's-80's.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paedophile_Information_Exchange

In America, you had NAMBLA. Interestingly, many of NAMBLA's prominent members such as Bill Andriette and Allen Ginsberg, were homosexuals who were also prominent members in the gay rights movement.
Even a man seen as a hero within the gay community, Harvey Milk, is believed to have sexual relationships with underage boys.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man-Boy_Love_Association

[muscleman-2013]

What?!

Normal cultural practice..

[muscleman-2013]

Interestingly, many of NAMBLA's prominent members such as Bill Andriette and Allen Ginsberg, were homosexuals who were also prominent members in the gay rights movement.
Even a man seen as a hero within the gay community, Harvey Milk, is believed to have sexual relationships with underage boys.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man-Boy_Love_Association

And you won't see that on CNN..

[oldgolds]

wow. that study starts off appearing legit, then if you read it, you realise that its a crusade by an obviously deluded author.

it has been discredited by other renowned experts..that should be enough.

a beat up. designed to create debates and arguments.

it cites a bunch of selective correlations- rather than providing the balance.

same old same old.

the old "pirate attacks in the Caribbean has risen at the exact same time that global temperatures have"...correlation and reasoning..

Why defend sick, perverted people?   

[Automation]

Why defend sick, perverted people?   

Retard alert... He's defending logic and critical thinking, something a spastic like you will never have.

[Tapeworm]

I always felt bad for The Frugal Gourmet.  It sure was something to see the press railroad him as they did.  Kinda nice to see the same Puritans relegated to the lunatic fringe 20 years on.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Freemasonry's Secret Homosexual Agenda

October 22, 2013

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(Left, Albert Pike 1809-1891)




(I didn't write this article but  it inspired a "eureka" moment. Of course! This explains why so many politicians are gay, and why homosexuality and pederasty are being foisted on us. Why the UK elite is both Masonic and gay. Why phallic obelisks are everywhere.  I edited a little. Emphasis mine. This was first posted last August. -HM) - See more at: http://www.henrymakow.com/_left_albert_pike_1809-1891by.html#sthash.2IzEi5bn.dpufThis article, first posted in 2009, inspired a "eureka" moment. Of course!

This is why so many politicians are gay, why heterosexuality is being repressed and
homosexuality and pederasty foisted on us instead.

It explains why the elite is gay, and phallic obelisks are everywhere.  Humanity has been
inducted into a pagan sex cult.  This involves "gendercide" - i.e. gender genocide.




Pike states that an initiate "commemorates in sacramental observance this mysterious passion; and while partaking of the raw flesh of the victim, seems to be invigorated by a fresh draught from the fountain of universal life....Hence the significance of the phallus." (p.393)



"Freemasonry's Connection to the Homosexual Movement"

By "Heterosexuals for a Moral Environment"
(Edited by henrymakow.com)


The esoteric all-male group known as Freemasonry (or Masonry) has been connected to  homosexuality by a number of researchers.
"Why?" you may ask.

Albert Pike was Sovereign Grand Commander of the (Masonic) Scottish Rite's Southern Jurisdiction from 1859-1891. He published a book called Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry in 1871. Citations from Pike's magnum opus will be featured here.

FREEMASONS HAVE A SECRET AGENDA

Like other esoteric groups and some fraternities, the Masons have secret doctrines and initiations. The homosexual agenda is hidden from the membership.

 Now, as Pike mysteriously put it, Freemasonry "conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be misled; to conceal the Truth, which it calls Light, from them, and to draw them away from it. Truth is not for those who are unworthy or unable to receive it, or would pervert it."

Instead of Masons stating their secrets secretly, they only obliquely impart them. Pike states: "What the Chiefs of the Order really believed and taught, is indicated to the Adepts by the hints contained in the high degrees of Free-masonry."

Pike again: "The symbols and ceremonies of Masonry have more than one meaning. They rather conceal than disclose the Truth. They hint it only." 

More: "We have hints, and not details...hints of the true objects and purposes of the Mysteries." (The "Mysteries" are secret Masonic "Truths" and secret initiatory rituals.)

Pike speaks in enigmas because he can only hint at Masonic secrets. Masons take oaths not to reveal the group's secrets.

Upper-level Masons even keep secrets from lower-level Masons. According to Pike, a lower-level Mason "is intentionally misled by false interpretations [of Masonic symbols]. It is not intended that he shall understand them [the symbols]; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them. Their true explication is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry."

 Lower-level Masons are just dupes being used by the upper-level ones, the so-called "Princes of Masonry."


HOMOSEXUALITY

Are Masons using their power and influence to try to spread homosexual "values"? In the following enigmatic words, Pike seems to be saying that Mason [adepts] engage in homosexual oral sex.

He states that an initiate "commemorates in sacramental observance this mysterious passion; and while partaking of the raw flesh of the victim, seems to be invigorated by a fresh draught from the fountain of universal life....Hence the significance of the phallus." (p.393)

As is his wont, Pike does not explain these words. For example, he does not spell out what he means by "this mysterious passion." But elsewhere in the book he twice notes that phallic worship is a part of their "Ancient Mysteries."

Not only does homosexual sex apparently play a role in Masonry, but so do homosexual orgies.

Pike, speaking in general of a newly initiated member, says: "he mingles with the crowd of Initiates, and, crowned with flowers, celebrates with them the holy orgies."

Needless to say, Pike does not define "holy orgy." In at least two other locations in his book he mentions that orgies are associated with Masonic initiations. [Pike has a reputation for indulging in debaucheries as well as Satanic butchery. HM]

HETEROPHOBIA

Now to return to Masonry---which, we should keep in mind---is an all-male group, Pike provides serious evidence of organizational sexism in Masonry via these words: "The love of woman cannot die out; and it has a terrible and uncontrollable fate."

As usual, he does not explain what he means by this startling statement (but the heterophobic meaning seems obvious enough).

Elsewhere he stated that "Christianity...gave to woman her proper rank and influence; it regulated domestic life."

In some circles, it is a common opinion, misguided or not, that Christianity, especially Catholicism, places women at a lower rank than men because women cannot become priests or bishops or cardinals or popes' and because wives are supposed to be submissive or subordinate to their husbands, generally speaking.

In sum, while Pike does not explicitly declare that women are inferior to men, or that they are unworthy of love, but he does seem to strongly hint at that.

Freemasonry is still a force in America and the world. The fact that this group is evidently biased against women (who cannot join) and biased in favor of homosexual relationships should not go unnoticed, and neither should the fact this group is using its influence to try to impose pro-homosexual "values" on the public.

We'll end with a quote from Masonic author Carl H. Claudy: "The real secrets of Masonry are never told, not even mouth to ear. For the real secret of Masonry is spoken to your heart, and from it to that of your brother [Mason]. Never the language made for tongue may speak it; it is uttered only in the language of the eye, in those manifestations of that love which a man has for his friend, which passeth all other loves, even that of woman."

[Natural Man]

most male homosexuals have been sexually molested as kids by older men. I dont see what s surprising there. Obviously they reproduce what happened to them.

[Automation]

most male homosexuals have been sexually molested as kids by older men. I dont see what s surprising there. Obviously they reproduce what happened to them.

Any impartial evidence to back up this ludicrous statement?

[Natural Man]

Any impartial evidence to back up this ludicrous statement?

any impartial evidence backing up the oposite statement?

[The Ugly]

cross dressing is a fetish for some, a halloween costume for others.  A way to be something different for a few hours.  Anything different, especially wrt gender, was labeled queer.

bigorexia could be considered a mental disorder.  

In the past, homosexual attraction was considered a mental disorder.  Lots of treatments were tried and none of them worked.  In fact the treatments caused unbearable suffering and many deaths.   finally it was realized that  homosexual attraction was not a mental disorder, that gays and lesbians lived happy and productive lives.  

And people who feel they were born the wrong gender were treated as having a mental disorder.  Various treatments were tried to get them to accept their birth gender, none worked.  In fact research shows that almost all gender non-conforming children know by age 5, and that their views don't change as they grow into adulthood.  And the attempted suicide rate of transgender adolescents is over 40%.  So, if you find that your child is gender non-conforming, and you don't want to risk a 40% chance of suicide in adolescences, you let your child express him/herself as they wish.  Then before adolescences, if the child still wishes to transition, you let the child take medicines to suppress their adolescent hormones until they'r older, usually 18, when they can decide whether to fully transition.  By suppressing the "wrong" adolescence, they will look completely "normal" after transitioning.

And what's the suicide rate for those who go through with the transition?

[timfogarty]

any impartial evidence backing up the oposite statement?

yes, none of hundreds of homosexuals that I know were molested.  Yet a few heterosexuals I know were.

[timfogarty]

So at what point doe pedophiles start screaming that they were born this way, it's not a disease, and that society should accept them and their lifestyle? How long after that are there advocates for them and make this a social norm as well? Where is the line drawn?

consenting adults.  that's where we draw the line.  Children and animals cannot give consent.

[timfogarty]

In America, you had NAMBLA. Interestingly, many of NAMBLA's prominent members such as Bill Andriette and Allen Ginsberg, were homosexuals who were also prominent members in the gay rights movement.
Even a man seen as a hero within the gay community, Harvey Milk, is believed to have sexual relationships with underage boys.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man-Boy_Love_Association

I think that wiki page is complete BS.  NAMBLA was a tiny fringe group in the late 1970s of a few dozen people.  It was never part of the gay rights movement and has never had any power. I think the wiki page and the website were created by anti-gay people to smear the gay community.

[Automation]

any impartial evidence backing up the oposite statement?

Circular reasoning of peace. For someone who continually harps on about the need for education, and the use of evidence, this aberration is indeed bizarre.

[The Ugly]

consenting adults.  that's where we draw the line.  Children and animals cannot give consent.

Any idea if LGBT will eventually add an I to their acronym in order to represent adult incest practitioners as well?

[SuperTed]

I think that wiki page is complete BS.  NAMBLA was a tiny fringe group in the late 1970s of a few dozen people.  It was never part of the gay rights movement and has never had any power. I think the wiki page and the website were created by anti-gay people to smear the gay community.

Tiny fringe group or not (...in 1995, an undercover detective discovered that there were 1,100 people on the rolls), don't you find it alarming that a significant number of NAMBLA's prominent members were also prominent figures in the gay rights movement? For instance, it's found David Thorstad was also a former president of the Gay Activists Alliance.

The most recognized and celebrated gay rights activist in the UK - Peter Tatchell, has also made remarks supporting pederasty. Harvey Milk also has some allegations against him in regards to this issue too.

[Waller]

consenting adults.  that's where we draw the line.  Children and animals cannot give consent.

Animals can't say no either. Bit of a grey area there.