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Re: 10 year cooling trend
« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2015, 11:25:18 AM »
This is such bullshit I don't even know where to start. I probably live in the conservative county in California and I can tell you that we're out there cleaning our beaches more than almost anyone. We don't want our kids swimming or surfing in dirty water, stepping on used rubbers and trash on the sand in front of our homes and this is just an example. Such BS.

Maybe conservatives shouldn't be so nasty.

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Re: 10 year cooling trend
« Reply #26 on: June 16, 2015, 11:34:59 AM »
I knew that conspiracy was bullshit from the first time I heard it.

Same type of thinking here, though. Too many players, too many obstacles, too much suspended disbelief. Not logical.

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Re: 10 year cooling trend
« Reply #27 on: June 16, 2015, 11:58:15 AM »
Ok getbiggers here's the data in support of CO2 levels causing an increase of global temps :
The poles are used because they have undisturbed ice samples and show the greatest amount of change.

1. Take a variety of ice core samples from the poles.
2. Analysis of the dissolved gases in the ice can be obtained, going back 10,000 yrs
a. The levels of CO2 show fairly normal seasonal cycles for the first 9900 years.

b. The temp is obtained by measuring the % of oxygen isotopes. The % of the common O2 isotopes correlates with temp.  In the past 100 yrs the AVERAGE temp per season/per decade has increased.

c. Plot the variables of CO2 levels vs temp increase and use a linear regression  analysis  and you get a near perfect , statistical fit on the graph, in support of the trend.

This kind of evidence is the gold standard in real scientific research.

The real problem is that most people are ignorant of how climate change is actually measured and analyzed.

I don't want to sound pompous, but, the proof or evidence most use to deny this is fairly juvenile and pseudo science.

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Re: 10 year cooling trend
« Reply #28 on: June 16, 2015, 02:21:26 PM »
Ok getbiggers here's the data in support of CO2 levels causing an increase of global temps :
The poles are used because they have undisturbed ice samples and show the greatest amount of change.

1. Take a variety of ice core samples from the poles.
2. Analysis of the dissolved gases in the ice can be obtained, going back 10,000 yrs
a. The levels of CO2 show fairly normal seasonal cycles for the first 9900 years.

b. The temp is obtained by measuring the % of oxygen isotopes. The % of the common O2 isotopes correlates with temp.  In the past 100 yrs the AVERAGE temp per season/per decade has increased.

c. Plot the variables of CO2 levels vs temp increase and use a linear regression  analysis  and you get a near perfect , statistical fit on the graph, in support of the trend.

This kind of evidence is the gold standard in real scientific research.

The real problem is that most people are ignorant of how climate change is actually measured and analyzed.

I don't want to sound pompous, but, the proof or evidence most use to deny this is fairly juvenile and pseudo science.

Look at the people that are doing this.   Stupidity seems to be a common theme amongst them.

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Re: 10 year cooling trend
« Reply #29 on: June 16, 2015, 08:53:33 PM »
Coach,

Try to verify your article postings by searching for a few other corroborating articles.  The Daily Caller is a conservative rag, the right wing equivalent to The Huffington Post, a liberal rag with little journalistic integrity. 

Try reading something like this with some hard scientific evidence:  http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GISSTemperature/giss_temperature2.php

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Re: 10 year cooling trend
« Reply #30 on: June 16, 2015, 09:04:34 PM »
This is such bullshit I don't even know where to start. I probably live in the conservative county in California and I can tell you that we're out there cleaning our beaches more than almost anyone. We don't want our kids swimming or surfing in dirty water, stepping on used rubbers and trash on the sand in front of our homes and this is just an example. Such BS.
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Re: 10 year cooling trend
« Reply #31 on: June 17, 2015, 03:27:30 AM »
Ok getbiggers here's the data in support of CO2 levels causing an increase of global temps :
The poles are used because they have undisturbed ice samples and show the greatest amount of change.

1. Take a variety of ice core samples from the poles.
2. Analysis of the dissolved gases in the ice can be obtained, going back 10,000 yrs
a. The levels of CO2 show fairly normal seasonal cycles for the first 9900 years.

b. The temp is obtained by measuring the % of oxygen isotopes. The % of the common O2 isotopes correlates with temp.  In the past 100 yrs the AVERAGE temp per season/per decade has increased.

c. Plot the variables of CO2 levels vs temp increase and use a linear regression  analysis  and you get a near perfect , statistical fit on the graph, in support of the trend.

This kind of evidence is the gold standard in real scientific research.

The real problem is that most people are ignorant of how climate change is actually measured and analyzed.

I don't want to sound pompous, but, the proof or evidence most use to deny this is fairly juvenile and pseudo science.

Wow, such an important-sounding post...and yet, so lacking.

The central theme of alarmism is that higher CO2 causes higher temps. Congrats, you've just plotted one of the two needed metrics, screamed "shup up!" And run away.

Where is the required plot of temperatures during this period, to prove higher CO2 causes higher temps? You DO remember the "higher temperature" part, right? You guys are always shifting your goalposts around, so it's possible you've forgotten your central "theory"

I love how you hand-wave your temperatures with words like "correlates" and "average" as if either of these bullshit, sophomoric statistical derivations can replace the real "gold standard", OBSERVATION. Since correlation between higher CO2 levels and temperatures is you THESIS, how can you state that as PROOF? It's imbecilic.

And the OBSERVATIONAL temperature studies have shown that the earth is not warming, and hasn't been since 1997.

So run along now and get ready to move your goalposts again. I am sure you'll find something to "prove" your "theories" enough for the NY Times to write another of their yearly breathless hagiographies: "This Time They've Done It!"

I'll be back then to dismantle that BS.

Toodles.

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Re: 10 year cooling trend
« Reply #32 on: June 17, 2015, 03:50:34 AM »
Coach will always be safe from Global warming, as he is furthest from the sun.

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Re: 10 year cooling trend
« Reply #33 on: June 17, 2015, 04:24:29 AM »
It was politicized and embraced by the global left as it was an enormous wealth-transfer tax from the richer nations to the poorer ones. Period. And it preyed upon the natural inclination of the wealthy left to feel remorse at their wealth.

Talk to me aj. I get all of my ammo for debates from Getbig...

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Re: 10 year cooling trend
« Reply #34 on: June 17, 2015, 04:28:03 AM »
Talk to me aj. I get all of my ammo for debates from Getbig...

Read the latest encyclical from our communist pope to see how tightly the left embraces this movement for that singular purpose.

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Re: 10 year cooling trend
« Reply #35 on: June 17, 2015, 05:47:26 AM »
They're ALL in on it? All the climatologists of all the organizations from all the different countries - ALL lying for a little scratch?

And building 7 was a controlled demolition?


In fact, it make no difficulties at all to these foil hat followers of the conspiracy religion, to put every freaking country in this world behind this sinister plan to poison human kind with the aluminum. It make no difference to them if those vapor trails are on the Russian sky, on the African sky etc. it is all same conspiracy, which they call geoengineering, but it miraculously isn't the same completely public science called geoengineering which we could read from the science magazines. It is some kind of dark side of geoengineering, so if there is geoengineering conference, these guys keep their meetings in dungeons below the conference centers with mask and capes. Sadly, these guys are complete idiots, drooling morons, who goes berserk and fall in some kind of ape shit meltdown if you ask about some evidence to back up their fairy tales  ;D

Seriously? Seriously, the answer to this matter is simple: What internet has done, it has given the voice to the really really stupid people, the people who you can't meet in your normal life, because they are kept behind the closed doors. You know, like morons you remember from school, these idiots who didn't learn anything and were just complete incompetent in any way possible. What internet has done, it has given them to possibility to open their mouth, and the rest we see here day after day. These morons who weren't able to count their fingers correctly are now self claimed conspiracy experts with the IQ smaller than their shoe size. They are as I say, idiots, complete morons, and that is evident if you look these theories somewhat closer. They doesn't understand even the simplest facts of life, and laws of physics are completely unknown to these morons. That's why they keep presenting these pearls of human ignorance, like "chemtrails"  as a fruits of their endless wisdom. They have think it over "with their own brains", but they can't prove even one word of their fairytale, and only thing they write without heavy use of copy/paste is insults to the people who would like to see some evidence  ;D


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Re: 10 year cooling trend
« Reply #36 on: June 17, 2015, 05:55:14 AM »
In fact, it make no difficulties at all to these foil hat followers of the conspiracy religion, to put every freaking country in this world behind this sinister plan to poison human kind with the aluminum. It make no difference to them if those vapor trails are on the Russian sky, on the African sky etc. it is all same conspiracy, which they call geoengineering, but it miraculously isn't the same completely public science called geoengineering which we could read from the science magazines. It is some kind of dark side of geoengineering, so if there is geoengineering conference, these guys keep their meetings in dungeons below the conference centers with mask and capes. Sadly, these guys are complete idiots, drooling morons, who goes berserk and fall in some kind of ape shit meltdown if you ask about some evidence to back up their fairy tales  ;D

Seriously? Seriously, the answer to this matter is simple: What internet has done, it has given the voice to the really really stupid people, the people who you can't meet in your normal life, because they are kept behind the closed doors. You know, like morons you remember from school, these idiots who didn't learn anything and were just complete incompetent in any way possible. What internet has done, it has given them to possibility to open their mouth, and the rest we see here day after day. These morons who weren't able to count their fingers correctly are now self claimed conspiracy experts with the IQ smaller than their shoe size. They are as I say, idiots, complete morons, and that is evident if you look these theories somewhat closer. They doesn't understand even the simplest facts of life, and laws of physics are completely unknown to these morons. That's why they keep presenting these pearls of human ignorance, like "chemtrails"  as a fruits of their endless wisdom. They have think it over "with their own brains", but they can't prove even one word of their fairytale, and only thing they write without heavy use of copy/paste is insults to the people who would like to see some evidence  ;D



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Re: 10 year cooling trend
« Reply #37 on: June 17, 2015, 06:11:33 AM »
Wow, such an important-sounding post...and yet, so lacking.

The central theme of alarmism is that higher CO2 causes higher temps. Congrats, you've just plotted one of the two needed metrics, screamed "shup up!" And run away.

Where is the required plot of temperatures during this period, to prove higher CO2 causes higher temps? You DO remember the "higher temperature" part, right? You guys are always shifting your goalposts around, so it's possible you've forgotten your central "theory"

I love how you hand-wave your temperatures with words like "correlates" and "average" as if either of these bullshit, sophomoric statistical derivations can replace the real "gold standard", OBSERVATION. Since correlation between higher CO2 levels and temperatures is you THESIS, how can you state that as PROOF? It's imbecilic.

And the OBSERVATIONAL temperature studies have shown that the earth is not warming, and hasn't been since 1997.

So run along now and get ready to move your goalposts again. I am sure you'll find something to "prove" your "theories" enough for the NY Times to write another of their yearly breathless hagiographies: "This Time They've Done It!"

I'll be back then to dismantle that BS.

Toodles.

you must not be familiar with the green house effect. Try reading a text book from the 20's, it should describe this discovery in great detail.

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Re: 10 year cooling trend
« Reply #38 on: June 17, 2015, 12:11:31 PM »
you must not be familiar with the green house effect. Try reading a text book from the 20's, it should describe this discovery in great detail.

The greenhouse effect does not take into account the various feedback mechanisms like sea algae. It does not trump observational data, which sadly does not support your hypothesis.

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Re: 10 year cooling trend
« Reply #39 on: June 17, 2015, 12:16:51 PM »
Wow, such an important-sounding post...and yet, so lacking.

The central theme of alarmism is that higher CO2 causes higher temps. Congrats, you've just plotted one of the two needed metrics, screamed "shup up!" And run away.

Where is the required plot of temperatures during this period, to prove higher CO2 causes higher temps? You DO remember the "higher temperature" part, right? You guys are always shifting your goalposts around, so it's possible you've forgotten your central "theory"

I love how you hand-wave your temperatures with words like "correlates" and "average" as if either of these bullshit, sophomoric statistical derivations can replace the real "gold standard", OBSERVATION. Since correlation between higher CO2 levels and temperatures is you THESIS, how can you state that as PROOF? It's imbecilic.

And the OBSERVATIONAL temperature studies have shown that the earth is not warming, and hasn't been since 1997.

So run along now and get ready to move your goalposts again. I am sure you'll find something to "prove" your "theories" enough for the NY Times to write another of their yearly breathless hagiographies: "This Time They've Done It!"

I'll be back then to dismantle that BS.

Toodles.

The linear regression line graph fit based on the data on CO2 vs temp speaks for itself during the past century.

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Re: 10 year cooling trend
« Reply #40 on: June 17, 2015, 12:26:38 PM »
When I start seeing the richest and smartest people in the world (who are mostly public supporters of this) like Buffett, Soros, Gates, and others actually start selling off their limos, sports cars, mansions, and yachts I might start to believe that we're the cause of all this and that danger may be eminent. Until then, I'll continue to invest in oil and gas companies, let them drill and frack on my lands, and continue to drive my own cars and live in a nice home with central AC and heating.
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Re: 10 year cooling trend
« Reply #41 on: June 17, 2015, 02:57:43 PM »
"Global warming" hahaha.

It get real warm right around July, Aug and Sept. Coincidence? lol

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Re: 10 year cooling trend
« Reply #42 on: June 17, 2015, 03:13:21 PM »
"Global warming" hahaha.

It get real warm right around July, Aug and Sept. Coincidence? lol

There is a clear, factual relationship between CO2 levels and changes in global climate.
The politics on this issue comes in when debating what to do about it.

The liberal left wants this absurd shut down of cars and industry.
The oil, coal groups on the right want to pretend nothing is going on .
BOTH extremes are wrong and won't help.

A moderate, comprehensive approach is the ONLY practical solution.
This is a tough sell because it requires bipartisan solutions and cooperation.
Red vs Blue is fine for cheering at a game, but it's crazy when dealing with a scientific issue.


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Re: 10 year cooling trend
« Reply #43 on: June 17, 2015, 05:33:54 PM »
Global warming.....as scary as GMO, Gluten and Carbs


http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/15/americas-most-advanced-climate-station-data-shows-us-in-a-10-year-cooling-trend/


This is based on just U.S. sites which are based primarily in northern parts which could be affected by other factors related to global climate change which could result in slightly cooler temperatures or a skewed average. The same for England which would freeze under current climate models because the thing that keeps it warm, the gulf stream, would be halted by the ice caps melting into the Atlantic.

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Re: 10 year cooling trend
« Reply #44 on: June 17, 2015, 05:37:29 PM »
There is a clear, factual relationship between CO2 levels and changes in global climate.
The politics on this issue comes in when debating what to do about it.

The liberal left wants this absurd shut down of cars and industry.
The oil, coal groups on the right want to pretend nothing is going on .
BOTH extremes are wrong and won't help.

A moderate, comprehensive approach is the ONLY practical solution.
This is a tough sell because it requires bipartisan solutions and cooperation.
Red vs Blue is fine for cheering at a game, but it's crazy when dealing with a scientific issue.


conservatards dont believe in weather

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Re: 10 year cooling trend
« Reply #45 on: June 17, 2015, 05:50:54 PM »
The linear regression line graph fit based on the data on CO2 vs temp speaks for itself during the past century.


No it doesn't. Hence the fact that there is no warming in the last 15 years yet CO2 levels are rising. Please google the definition of "correlation"

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Re: 10 year cooling trend
« Reply #46 on: June 18, 2015, 01:18:40 AM »
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Re: 10 year cooling trend
« Reply #47 on: June 18, 2015, 08:36:03 AM »
Real Scientists do no go back and 'adjust' their data for the last 10 years.  They spiked the data they didn't like when it disagreed with the current political ideology.

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Re: 10 year cooling trend
« Reply #48 on: June 18, 2015, 08:54:13 AM »
conservatards dont believe in weather

We don't believe in bullshit scare tactics as an excuse to create another tax.

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Re: 10 year cooling trend
« Reply #49 on: June 18, 2015, 08:58:47 AM »
I suggest you fellas report these findings to the US Navy, NASA and all the other scientific authorities in the world.

Wouldn't want them to get off on the wrong track with this.

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