Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!

[Amerian Muscle]

It's good to be cautious. I just look at the US debt, the border crisis, the corrupt politicians, a new stimulus package for Ukraine and see BANKRUPT! The rest of the world will not keep financing the US. The debt party is going to end at some point, as sure as the sun will shine tomorrow.

Look at Granholm. She fucking lied under oath. Will she go to prison? Your average citizen will. These kind of people are destroying the US.

she keeps saying "really??" and "my goodness?" and she is a woman

[gib]

Mine were all alts remember 😉 I literally sold the top ticks and they are down -80% now and I way outperformed BTC. Perhaps Try being happy for someone who actually did what most can’t? I posted in real time so it’s all legit, none of the typical after the fact claiming in a move stuff.

I won’t give future moves. I can see you are upset gib. Hopefully whatever is stressing you goes away and you can feel better.

Nothing is stressing me, other than you not being in BTC.

For my own holdings, I am cool as a cucumber. I just stack and chill.

I recall you being repeatedly bearish on BTC, so it surprises me you want even further out on the risk curve on shitcoins! But if you did, and if you made money, then of course I am happy for you my friend!

So, how are you storing those gains? In fiat (which you know will decline over time?). Or BTC, (which you know will increase over time?) Or some other asset?

[Mayday]

Nothing is stressing me, other than you not being in BTC.

For my own holdings, I am cool as a cucumber. I just stack and chill.

I recall you being repeatedly bearish on BTC, so it surprises me you want even further out on the risk curve on shitcoins! But if you did, and if you made money, then of course I am happy for you my friend!

So, how are you storing those gains? In fiat (which you know will decline over time?). Or BTC, (which you know will increase over time?) Or some other asset?

I have been bullish on BTC from 17.5k which was almost 2yrs ago. It’s a long time to have been bullish, most only went bull above 50k. I’m still bullish but it’s just if price can’t hold above 67k I am watching for 41k-48k. That’s why dip buying wasn’t really a thing for me at 60k. I have bought some nuked alts though.

I went far out on the curve because I believe this is the last alt run and therefore the last chance for a lottery attempt to beat BTC performance. Fuck it, why not lol.

The alts I sold I put towards my objectives, landscaping to finish on my property (my place will be magazine worthy in 5yrs once the gardens matures). I bought 7 guitars, all nice limited editions and then Paid for lessons in a different style to the Metallica I usually play. Quality of life stuff, be happy and proud with what I have achieved 😀

My big holdings are still in play. They are my bet on September 2025 (for now).


FWIW In my model I have something to happen in 2026. I am pondering if the US is going to re-peg their currency. It won’t be to Gold, it won’t be Bitcoin, it’ll be something else. The timing would be peak inflationary wave 2 so perhaps that’s all we get rather than 3 waves.

[Griffith]

I agree with this poster (rsa.eth) that ETH is currently massively undervalued. It should be at $10,000 right now relative to the BTC price, if not more. It will cost more to attack ETH right now than BTC. A staker would need 66% of the staked ETH. It would take time to try and buy up 66% of the ETH supply, and the price would go parabolic. There's also a queue to become a staking validator.

https://twitter.com/RyanSAdams/status/1781081511736786985

A post on Reddit:

You think those Bitcoin mines are impenetrable fortresses? If a government seriously wanted to take down Bitcoin they can send a small military force to the biggest mines and have them taken over within a week. Fairly easy to justify the force with "North Korea and/or Russia is using Bitcoin to sell weapons to Terrorists and we need to stop them".

This would be about 1/100th of the cost of buying up 51% of all ETH.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/11duz5f/is_ethereum_more_secure_than_bitcoin_at_this_point/

Ivan talks about ETH in this clip. One note I should make is that ETH has not been deflationary the past week. For the past 7 days the inflation as been 0.171%. Not a huge number though, that inflation is still lower than Bitcoin's current inflation, and lower than almost any other chain out there. I think BNB has a more aggressive burn. And there are efforts to burn a lot of SHIBA. Elon talked about reducing the supply of DOGE as well, or he advocated for whales to vacate some of their holdings.

ETH initially lagged in the last bullrun as well.

[Griffith]

I wonder who here BTFD?

(As usual after any big short term dip, I accumulated just a little more - got them at around 63.5k - not a perfectly timed bottom, but all good when you know in the long term supply is fixed and demand is growing).

Also bought a tiny bit of SOL and FIL.

Since January 2022, Solana has seen around half a dozen significant outages and 15 partial or major outage days.

[gib]

Agree Griffith - SOL has lots of problems.

I bought purely because I believe it will be a popular alt over the next few years, not because of any really underlying long term technology value.

My vast vast majority of holding is BTC.

[French]

Solana will replace Ethereum which will gradually decline.
The Solana mainnet is in beta mode and has shown its enormous resilience by addressing unknown problems in record time compared to the gigantic volumes to be processed. In addition, FireDancer will bring the final touches to its security and the network will switch to production definitively.
Ethereum died the day it abandoned proof of work. now it is an extremely expensive limited blockchain which will die slowly cluttered by multiple layer 2s which are only patches on an aging network.

[obsidian]

Solana will replace Ethereum which will gradually decline.
The Solana mainnet is in beta mode and has shown its enormous resilience by addressing unknown problems in record time compared to the gigantic volumes to be processed. In addition, FireDancer will bring the final touches to its security and the network will switch to production definitively.
Ethereum died the day it abandoned proof of work. now it is an extremely expensive limited blockchain which will die slowly cluttered by multiple layer 2s which are only patches on an aging network.

I love the Ethereum FUD. Please bring more. Be cautious when everyone shills a certain token. The less Ethereum is in the news the more it means you are still early. Remember Kennedy's shoeshine boy.

On a serious note, I have no doubt Solana will eventually fix their transaction issues. It remains to be seen though if the one chain for everything approach will work out. Currently it seems it doesn't because of all the failed transactions.

https://solanabeach.io/transactions

Solana will also have to address the inflation of the token. It's pretty high. Transactions are low because the chain subsidizes the stakers and giving them yield from the inflated supply. Ethereum's tokenomics is better right now than almost any blockchain. Binance BNB also has a good tokenomics, and Bitcoin obviously.

Ethereum's L2 is working out very well currently. See how Coinbase's Base has performed. It's an Ethereum L2. There are actually more L2s in the pipeline lol! And Bitcoin developers are also working on Bitcoin L2s. See where it is going? Solana might eventually have to do the same. So that L2 argument of yours will not hold up down the road I think.

https://www.thestreet.com/crypto/innovation/coinbases-base-network-is-shaping-the-future-of-decentralized-finance

The New Frontier: Coinbase’s Base Network is Shaping the Future of Decentralized Finance

Coinbase's new Base network, built on top of the Ethereum blockchain, addresses the shortcomings of the popular Layer 1 ecosystems, Ethereum and Solana.

The move to Proof of Stake was a great move. It means Ethereum uses less energy and it actually makes it more expensive to attack the network compared to Bitcoin. Bitcoin mining will centralize more as less BTC is released to miners. So what happens if a rogue actor launches a few rockets at a couple of mining facilities? Sure, someone could do it to a staking facility also. But if it is more decentralized and compact it might be harder to do.

We'll see how it turns out in the long run.

[obsidian]

https://www.thestreet.com/crypto/innovation/coinbases-base-network-is-shaping-the-future-of-decentralized-finance

Ethereum and Solana Networks: Pros and Cons

The Ethereum network is widely regarded as the most robust in crypto, backed by a strong community of developers. It is known for its reliability and security, with high performance where transactions seldom fail. However, its significant drawback is the high transaction fees during periods of peak demand. For instance, fees escalated to several hundred USD per transaction during the market peak in 2021.

In contrast, the Solana network is more accessible for retail users due to its minimal network fees (mere pennies per transaction). However, it sometimes experiences slower or failed transactions when under high demand.

^^^^^^^
Regarding the Ethereum high fees, that's actually a plus if you want token deflation. Ethereum's deflation has taken a hit since the recent Dencun upgrade will lower fees. Extremely low fees also bring spam and congestion. I wish email was not so cheap - it would lead to less spam if spammers had to pay for each email they send.

[Mayday]

Agree Griffith - SOL has lots of problems.

I bought purely because I believe it will be a popular alt over the next few years, not because of any really underlying long term technology value.

My vast vast majority of holding is BTC.

You have the same behaviour as everybody else 😀 We all moved out the risk curve. You now recommend and buy alts (regardless it’s 2 it’s still a move away from your BTC only stance). All the BTC maxis from 2020-21 have also bought alts.

Those of us in alts in 2020-21 have moved into shitcoins, memes. It’s a dirty, dirty place out here man lol. A Total scam.

I expect around 500k shitcoins will be available in 2025 and is why I believe this is how the shitcoin space dies. It dilutes faster than funds coming in. Already seen it happening, so many rugpulls and failed launches.

If I am right about the US repegging the USD in 2026, perhaps this is the narrative to trigger a huge bullrun in 2025? I am open to ideas.

On a side note Grayscale has changed the ETF fees, therefore the punishment of Barry has now stopped. It cost him 50% of his holdings to keep out of jail 😬  I never know the story but 76k and I assume some dickhead ruins it for us and yes indeed, Barry fucked all of us 😂

[obsidian]

You have the same behaviour as everybody else 😀 We all moved out the risk curve. You now recommend and buy alts (regardless it’s 2 it’s still a move away from your BTC only stance). All the BTC maxis from 2020-21 have also bought alts.

Those of us in alts in 2020-21 have moved into shitcoins, memes. It’s a dirty, dirty place out here man lol. A Total scam.

I expect around 500k shitcoins will be available in 2025 and is why I believe this is how the shitcoin space dies. It dilutes faster than funds coming in. Already seen it happening, so many rugpulls and failed launches.

If I am right about the US repegging the USD in 2026, perhaps this is the narrative to trigger a huge bullrun in 2025? I am open to ideas.

On a side note Grayscale has changed the ETF fees, therefore the punishment of Barry has now stopped. It cost him 50% of his holdings to keep out of jail 😬  I never know the story but 76k and I assume some dickhead ruins it for us and yes indeed, Barry fucked all of us 😂

In 2021 I got into Dogecoin around 2 cents. It went to 73 cents and ten crashed down. Currently it is at 16 cent. That's still 8x the 2021 low end price. The price bar has been lifted. It could potentially go back to $1. That's a 6x move. Totally possible. It's been a top 10 crypto for years now.

So that's one shitcoin that will probably not go away. Dogecoin is also over 10 years old now, older than Ethereum.

I do agree with you, there's just too many tokens. One benefit of a Meme is it can't be classified a security. You're buying a meme because it is "cute", like a pokemon card.

https://blackmountainig.com/why-memecoins-arent-securities/

[obsidian]

Bitboy made an interesting comment about Cardano and diamond hands.

The problem for Cardano is the older investors are holding their tokens with diamond hands. Whales need to be able to get into the token for the price to go up. So some of those diamond hands need to sell. At some point Saylor would have to stop buying BTC also. The more his entities acquire the more centralization fears will be raised. Imagine if he owned 100% of Bitcoin - lol! It would be worthless. There needs to be a balance between whales and smaller portfolio holders.

[loco]

[SouJerz]

This

[SouJerz]

https://www.zerohedge.com/crypto/chinese-fx-outflows-soar-priming-next-bitcoin-surge

[gib]

https://www.zerohedge.com/crypto/chinese-fx-outflows-soar-priming-next-bitcoin-surge

Yes, we will over time see massive amounts of Chinese currency flowing into BTC. There are various restrictions on capital outflows in China, but also very easy to circumvent - Chinese are innovative when it comes to loopholes with regard to putting their money into assets beyond the reach of the CCP.

[gib]

Bitboy made an interesting comment about Cardano and diamond hands.

The problem for Cardano is the older investors are holding their tokens with diamond hands. Whales need to be able to get into the token for the price to go up. So some of those diamond hands need to sell. At some point Saylor would have to stop buying BTC also. The more his entities acquire the more centralization fears will be raised. Imagine if he owned 100% of Bitcoin - lol! It would be worthless. There needs to be a balance between whales and smaller portfolio holders.

Not really - it will become increasingly difficult for MSTR or Blackrock to acquire more than 1% of all BTC supply. Price will simply rise too much, meaning any additional amount they seek to acquire would be increasingly expensive, and hence less of an overall % increase. I don't think MSTR would ever get much beyond 1%. Perhaps 1.2% of all supply at some time in our lives. As for Blackrock, I can't see them ever accumulating more than 2.5% of global supply. And remember, in both cases, whilst these are single entities, they are essentially holding on behalf of hundreds of thousands of individual shareholders.

Hence of the often stated statistic that the average person is only likely to only ever own 7% more of what whatever BTC they now currently own, at any time in the future. Or in other words, (unless you are really proactive), you have likely accumulated 93% of all the BTC you will ever own. (Same principle applies on a larger scale also).

[gib]

You have the same behaviour as everybody else 😀 We all moved out the risk curve. You now recommend and buy alts (regardless it’s 2 it’s still a move away from your BTC only stance). All the BTC maxis from 2020-21 have also bought alts.

Those of us in alts in 2020-21 have moved into shitcoins, memes. It’s a dirty, dirty place out here man lol. A Total scam.

I expect around 500k shitcoins will be available in 2025 and is why I believe this is how the shitcoin space dies. It dilutes faster than funds coming in. Already seen it happening, so many rugpulls and failed launches.

If I am right about the US repegging the USD in 2026, perhaps this is the narrative to trigger a huge bullrun in 2025? I am open to ideas.

On a side note Grayscale has changed the ETF fees, therefore the punishment of Barry has now stopped. It cost him 50% of his holdings to keep out of jail 😬  I never know the story but 76k and I assume some dickhead ruins it for us and yes indeed, Barry fucked all of us 😂

Not really. First of all, nothing I buy is an "alt" to Bitcoin. Sol, for example, I see as an alt to ETH. And FIL I see as an alt to the cloud storage services provided by Amazon, MSFT, and Google. And Uniswap I se as a alt to some types of financial and trading services. But none do I buy as an alt to BTC.

Second, the amount of non-BTC crypto is tiny. Less than 2.55% of my BTC holdings.

Also, these investments I have, are all with a long term hodl in mind (as I believe in the underlying long term upside). I don't buy in the hope of making a quick alt-gain to use to ultimately accumulate more BTC.

So I don't see any of what I do as being inconsistent with the BTC maxi philosophy, just like me being a BTC maxi does no stop me buying gold, property, or stocks.

Your point about shitcoins is the reason why I never partake. When you pay money something with no fundamental value and with infinite supply, you will be allowing yourself to get scammed by an inevitable the infinite dilution of shitcoinery, all eventually falling to almost zero. Every time, lessons are learned. And everytime, new shitcoiners (and sometimes prior ones who have not learned their lesson), return. If we all focussed our monetary energy solely into BTC, we would all collectively be so much better off. Over time, this is what will happen to a much greater extent - but it sometimes takes people being burned directly before they learn their lesson.

[gib]

The alts I sold I put towards my objectives, landscaping to finish on my property (my place will be magazine worthy in 5yrs once the gardens matures). I bought 7 guitars, all nice limited editions and then Paid for lessons in a different style to the Metallica I usually play. Quality of life stuff, be happy and proud with what I have achieved 😀

My big holdings are still in play. They are my bet on September 2025 (for now).

Nice one - always good to put any stored value you have into things you truely want. Congrats!

[SouJerz]

https://www.zerohedge.com/crypto/hong-kong-bitcoin-and-ether-etfs-officially-approved-start-trading-april-30

Honk kong ethereum and Bitcoin etf approved.

When is the deadline for the USA Ethereum ETF?

[gib]

https://www.zerohedge.com/crypto/hong-kong-bitcoin-and-ether-etfs-officially-approved-start-trading-april-30

Honk kong ethereum and Bitcoin etf approved.

When is the deadline for the USA Ethereum ETF?

The HK one is interesting. They will allow "in kind" purchases for BTC (ie you can send Sats in return for the ETF, and, I think, you can also receive cashouts in Sats).

Time will tell how much demand there is for these ETFs, but the demand is likely to be way higher for BTC than ETH (at least in the foreseeable future).

Regarding the US, the first possible approval date (which many Eth'ers are keenly hoping on), is 23 May 2024. Lets see. (Peresonally, I think its very unlikely we will see an approval of an ETH ETF on this day - indeed, I think it might be delayed at least a until after the next US election).

[SouJerz]

I agree I think the ethereum ETF doesn’t get approved this time around but eventually it will.

[SouJerz]

https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/us-sec-expected-deny-spot-ether-etfs-next-month-industry-sources-say-2024-04-25/

Not looking good

[gib]

https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/us-sec-expected-deny-spot-ether-etfs-next-month-industry-sources-say-2024-04-25/

Not looking good

This is what I told ETH'ers all along who naively believed that 23 May it was going to happen.

I would be quite happy if it was accepted that there is no "alt" to BTC, but that there are an infinite number of alternatives to Eth, and they further, that Eth (obviously) is an illegally issued security, which in turn would be quite a perversion of core SEC principles and logic to allow to be listed in an ETF security (just as it would be unfathomable for XRP to be allowed to used in this way).

I expect this will all be delayed to next election. Greyscale has incentive to push for an ETH ETF. The other providers I think don't really care too much, as I think they know both volumes will be much lower, and that its ultimately dilutive to BTC.

Hong Kong's ETH ETF starts trading next week (along with their BTC ETFs). That may provide some insight to demand.

[obsidian]

This is what I told ETH'ers all along who naively believed that 23 May it was going to happen.

I would be quite happy if it was accepted that there is no "alt" to BTC, but that there are an infinite number of alternatives to Eth, and they further, that Eth (obviously) is an illegally issued security, which in turn would be quite a perversion of core SEC principles and logic to allow to be listed in an ETF security (just as it would be unfathomable for XRP to be allowed to used in this way).

I expect this will all be delayed to next election. Greyscale has incentive to push for an ETH ETF. The other providers I think don't really care too much, as I think they know both volumes will be much lower, and that its ultimately dilutive to BTC.

Hong Kong's ETH ETF starts trading next week (along with their BTC ETFs). That may provide some insight to demand.

ETF BTC inflows have slowed down, even with Blackrock's fund. They want additional funds to flow in via the ETH ETF. Meanwhile the Asians can snap up ETH while it is still extremely undervalued relative to BTC. The SEC delaying the ETF will just mean US investors will lose the opportunity to get in at a lower floor. The rest of the world is not going to wait for them to get their shit straight.

If it wasn't for the Signing of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 you would not even be using this language. Security means alarm systems, antivirus, etc. Fuck this other meaning brought in by old farts that never even saw a computer in their whole life. That shit is not applicable at all to cryptocurrencies.

I can use all your arguments against you. Bitcoin was pre-mined by Satoshi because he was the only one dominating the hashrate and hence he could mine over a million BTC in record time. That's 4.76% of the total BTC supply. Meanwhile the ETH foundation holds just 0.3% of all ETH in circulation. That's 3x less than Saylor's percentage of BTC and almost 16x less than Satoshi. Talk about being decentralized - WOW! Once the masses find out this secret along with the fact that it gives yield and is sometimes deflationary they should jump on it! LOL - who am I kidding. They will follow the FUD until the narrative changes.

The SEC's job is to protect investors. That's it. ETH is not a security at all. The "profit on the work of others" does not apply to stakers. And I can throw that argument at you and Saylor as well. You're doing nothing to develop Bitcoin, you're not maintaining it, you're not mining it. You expect the price to go up so you can profit (based on the work of others). See, I did it! I summed your shit up perfectly!