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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10775 on: April 24, 2024, 08:40:18 AM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/crypto/hong-kong-bitcoin-and-ether-etfs-officially-approved-start-trading-april-30

Honk kong ethereum and Bitcoin etf approved.

When is the deadline for the USA Ethereum ETF?

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« Reply #10776 on: April 24, 2024, 11:47:12 AM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/crypto/hong-kong-bitcoin-and-ether-etfs-officially-approved-start-trading-april-30

Honk kong ethereum and Bitcoin etf approved.

When is the deadline for the USA Ethereum ETF?

The HK one is interesting. They will allow "in kind" purchases for BTC (ie you can send Sats in return for the ETF, and, I think, you can also receive cashouts in Sats).

Time will tell how much demand there is for these ETFs, but the demand is likely to be way higher for BTC than ETH (at least in the foreseeable future).

Regarding the US, the first possible approval date (which many Eth'ers are keenly hoping on), is 23 May 2024. Lets see. (Peresonally, I think its very unlikely we will see an approval of an ETH ETF on this day - indeed, I think it might be delayed at least a until after the next US election).


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« Reply #10777 on: April 24, 2024, 02:07:59 PM »
I agree I think the ethereum ETF doesn’t get approved this time around but eventually it will.


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« Reply #10779 on: April 26, 2024, 04:27:10 AM »
https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/us-sec-expected-deny-spot-ether-etfs-next-month-industry-sources-say-2024-04-25/

Not looking good

This is what I told ETH'ers all along who naively believed that 23 May it was going to happen.

I would be quite happy if it was accepted that there is no "alt" to BTC, but that there are an infinite number of alternatives to Eth, and they further, that Eth (obviously) is an illegally issued security, which in turn would be quite a perversion of core SEC principles and logic to allow to be listed in an ETF security (just as it would be unfathomable for XRP to be allowed to used in this way).

I expect this will all be delayed to next election. Greyscale has incentive to push for an ETH ETF. The other providers I think don't really care too much, as I think they know both volumes will be much lower, and that its ultimately dilutive to BTC.

Hong Kong's ETH ETF starts trading next week (along with their BTC ETFs). That may provide some insight to demand.





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« Reply #10780 on: April 26, 2024, 04:57:13 AM »
This is what I told ETH'ers all along who naively believed that 23 May it was going to happen.

I would be quite happy if it was accepted that there is no "alt" to BTC, but that there are an infinite number of alternatives to Eth, and they further, that Eth (obviously) is an illegally issued security, which in turn would be quite a perversion of core SEC principles and logic to allow to be listed in an ETF security (just as it would be unfathomable for XRP to be allowed to used in this way).

I expect this will all be delayed to next election. Greyscale has incentive to push for an ETH ETF. The other providers I think don't really care too much, as I think they know both volumes will be much lower, and that its ultimately dilutive to BTC.

Hong Kong's ETH ETF starts trading next week (along with their BTC ETFs). That may provide some insight to demand.
ETF BTC inflows have slowed down, even with Blackrock's fund. They want additional funds to flow in via the ETH ETF. Meanwhile the Asians can snap up ETH while it is still extremely undervalued relative to BTC. The SEC delaying the ETF will just mean US investors will lose the opportunity to get in at a lower floor. The rest of the world is not going to wait for them to get their shit straight.

If it wasn't for the Signing of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 you would not even be using this language. Security means alarm systems, antivirus, etc. Fuck this other meaning brought in by old farts that never even saw a computer in their whole life. That shit is not applicable at all to cryptocurrencies.

I can use all your arguments against you. Bitcoin was pre-mined by Satoshi because he was the only one dominating the hashrate and hence he could mine over a million BTC in record time. That's 4.76% of the total BTC supply. Meanwhile the ETH foundation holds just 0.3% of all ETH in circulation. That's 3x less than Saylor's percentage of BTC and almost 16x less than Satoshi. Talk about being decentralized - WOW! Once the masses find out this secret along with the fact that it gives yield and is sometimes deflationary they should jump on it! LOL - who am I kidding. They will follow the FUD until the narrative changes.

The SEC's job is to protect investors. That's it. ETH is not a security at all. The "profit on the work of others" does not apply to stakers. And I can throw that argument at you and Saylor as well. You're doing nothing to develop Bitcoin, you're not maintaining it, you're not mining it. You expect the price to go up so you can profit (based on the work of others). See, I did it! I summed your shit up perfectly!  ;D

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« Reply #10781 on: April 26, 2024, 04:59:32 AM »
Justin Sun recently acquired close to $500 million worth of ETH. Interesting move.

https://www.coindesk.com/business/2024/03/14/justin-sun-deposits-480m-of-eth-to-restaking-protocol-etherfi/

Justin Sun Deposits $480M of ETH to Restaking Protocol Ether.Fi
Ether.Fi is nearing $3 billion in total value locked.

The 120,000 ether deposited was acquired in February, when ETH was worth around $2,800.
Ether.Fi is nearing $3 billion in TVL ahead of its governance token release later this month.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10782 on: April 26, 2024, 10:11:56 AM »
Justin Sun recently acquired close to $500 million worth of ETH. Interesting move.

https://www.coindesk.com/business/2024/03/14/justin-sun-deposits-480m-of-eth-to-restaking-protocol-etherfi/

Justin Sun Deposits $480M of ETH to Restaking Protocol Ether.Fi
Ether.Fi is nearing $3 billion in total value locked.

The 120,000 ether deposited was acquired in February, when ETH was worth around $2,800.
Ether.Fi is nearing $3 billion in TVL ahead of its governance token release later this month.

What percent are you getting on your staked ethereum?

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« Reply #10783 on: April 26, 2024, 01:19:26 PM »
What percent are you getting on your staked ethereum?
If fluctuates depending on how many people are staking - similar to how the mining difficulty increases or decreases relative to hash rate. When I started staking I was getting over 4%. Now it is apparently around 2.5%.

The thing is the staking yield cannot be too high or else the Ethereum inflation will increase. That is what's happening to Solana. The supply inflates because new Solana is minted to pay stakers.

If there are less stakers the yield percentage can increase without affecting the supply inflation too much

It's a fine balancing act. When the yield drops too low, people might unstake  and then the yield goes up again.

Flexacon mentioned EigenLayer restaking. I'll have to look into that. Looks like I will have to move my ETH to different platforms if I want to take advantage of that. But that could potentially be a way to get more yield on staked ETH. I think there are waiting lines for EigenLayer also.

I thought about solo staking, but it seems to be a real pain in the ass to set up and there are long enter and exit periods apparently.

Ethereum’s Queue for New Validators Is 51 Times Longer Than Its Exit Queue
Almost 8,300 validators each with 32 ETH are currently waiting in line to begin staking, while 161 validators are trying to exit, a sign of continued interest in restaking.


https://www.theblock.co/post/290303/eigenlayer-tvl-15-billion

EigenLayer's TVL crosses $15 billion as restaking protocol expands ecosystem

The total value locked on Ethereum restaking protocol EigenLayer surpassed $15 billion after the project recently lifted its caps.

The platform allows users to stake native ether and liquid staked ether, which is then restaked to secure other protocols.

The TVL jump came after EigenLayer had its anticipated launch on April 9, allowing actively validated services to come online.

The project added several updates following the launch, most recently lowering the minimum stake for the operators on its data availability layer EigenDA, from 320 ETH to 96 ETH.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10784 on: April 26, 2024, 01:36:34 PM »
https://www.axios.com/2024/04/25/consensys-ethereum-sec-lawsuit

Consensys files preemptive lawsuit against SEC over Ethereum

Consensys, the Ethereum blockchain company founded by Joe Lubin, sued the Securities and Exchange Commission Thursday seeking to head off any coming enforcement action.

Why it matters: One of the biggest Ethereum firms is striking back amid an ongoing campaign by the SEC to classify the world's second largest digital asset a security.

"We are hopeful that the case brings attention to — and ultimately halts — the SEC's reckless approach," Lubin said in a press statement.

Between the lines: The firm is seeking injunctive relief, "preventing the SEC from continuing any investigation or commencing an enforcement action" against it as it relates to the premise that ether transactions are securities transactions, the lawsuit reads.

Consensys has been subject to "coercive investigation" by SEC staff and in 2023 received three subpoenas containing two dozen distinct requests for information, according to the lawsuit.

On April 10, 2024, the SEC staff sent Consensys a Wells Notice for allegedly violating the federal securities laws through its MetaMask Swaps and MetaMask Staking products.

The bottom line: Consensys wants a court to say that ether is not a security, that its MetaMask wallet is not a broker, and that its staking service didn't violate federal securities law.

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« Reply #10785 on: April 26, 2024, 01:43:28 PM »
The SEC's job is not to pick winners and losers. Their main job is to protect investors. Not to BRIBE companies.


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« Reply #10786 on: April 28, 2024, 11:34:19 PM »

It’s going to be interesting to see how the holders in the ETF inflows react.

Blackrock stopped reporting flows. The guys people swore were the enemy yet were cheered on by the same people when they started a BTC ETF lol 😂


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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10787 on: April 28, 2024, 11:47:18 PM »
2 years from now btc will be over 100k

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« Reply #10788 on: April 28, 2024, 11:52:25 PM »
2 years from now btc will be over 100k

Why so bearish?


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« Reply #10789 on: April 28, 2024, 11:54:41 PM »
Why so bearish?
i bought 1 btc recently so that means the start of bear market is in

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« Reply #10790 on: April 29, 2024, 12:14:54 AM »
i bought 1 btc recently so that means the start of bear market is in

😂

It can feel a bit like that at times.

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« Reply #10791 on: April 29, 2024, 01:27:07 AM »
Broader market is looking pretty messed up right now. Gonna need the JPowell and/or Yellen to pull another rabbit out of the hat pretty soon, otherwise it's gonna be a long sideways chop this summer and possibly longer.


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« Reply #10792 on: April 29, 2024, 01:52:56 AM »
It’s going to be interesting to see how the holders in the ETF inflows react.

Blackrock stopped reporting flows.

What do you mean by this? All ETFs are under the listing required to report flows on a daily basis. IBIT being no exception.


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« Reply #10793 on: April 29, 2024, 03:07:54 AM »
What do you mean by this? All ETFs are under the listing required to report flows on a daily basis. IBIT being no exception.

They have been showing zero flows for the past 3 trading days.

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« Reply #10794 on: April 29, 2024, 03:17:59 AM »

If it wasn't for the Signing of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 you would not even be using this language. Security means alarm systems, antivirus, etc. Fuck this other meaning brought in by old farts that never even saw a computer in their whole life. That shit is not applicable at all to cryptocurrencies.

I can use all your arguments against you. Bitcoin was pre-mined by Satoshi because he was the only one dominating the hashrate and hence he could mine over a million BTC in record time. That's 4.76% of the total BTC supply. Meanwhile the ETH foundation holds just 0.3% of all ETH in circulation. That's 3x less than Saylor's percentage of BTC and almost 16x less than Satoshi. Talk about being decentralized - WOW! Once the masses find out this secret along with the fact that it gives yield and is sometimes deflationary they should jump on it! LOL - who am I kidding. They will follow the FUD until the narrative changes.

The SEC's job is to protect investors. That's it. ETH is not a security at all. The "profit on the work of others" does not apply to stakers. And I can throw that argument at you and Saylor as well. You're doing nothing to develop Bitcoin, you're not maintaining it, you're not mining it. You expect the price to go up so you can profit (based on the work of others). See, I did it! I summed your shit up perfectly!  ;D

I think you are really confusing concepts here Obsidian. (Can I suggest maybe watching a few less youtube videos, and actually doing some legal research).

The term "securities" as it applies to the law the SEC enforces, has nothing to do with IT security. Rather is has to do with laws that govern fungible and publicly tradable financial instruments.

You are also misunderstanding what the role of the SEC is. It is not "to protect investors". Indeed, investors can, and do, make bad investments every day with SEC compliant securities. The SEC makes no decision on the merit of any investment. More accurate would be to say that the SEC's role is to regulate securities markets, as it is required by law to do, (and that this in turn, hopefully, will "protect" investors, to the extent that certain the many aspects of securities' laws need to be complied with). So, the SEC could not care less if BTC goes up or down. But it cares deeply, if you were to attempt to list any security in an unregulated matter (as occurred with almost all crypto tokens). Its not a matter of whether you like the law or not - the law is the law and the SEC enforces.

So, you don't need to make any argument against me. I am just telling you what the law is.

As for BTC being "pre-mined", it wasn't. All of us, Satoshi included, had to put in equal work to mine Sats. That was the case from day #1 of the code going public. And that differs from ETH any many others, whereby the creators of what was essentially a tech company, raised funds for their "projects" (businesses), by issuing tradable "tokens" (shares) and retaining a share of these shares for themselves, selling on the market for for BTC or fait over time.

With BTC, the work is done by the miners. They have converted energy into Sats. And those Sats can the be bought and traded by others. And this was the case from day #1. No security here - rather a digital commodity.

As for your comments about staking and deflationary etc, all this is a scam. If I sell you a piece of shit, and then tell you its "good value" because in a few days I will give you a brand new more of a turd for free, that does not change the fact that the underlying thing you have is a piece of shit. Similarly, if I told you that that piece of shit was going to gradually decompose, and become a small piece of shit over time... it doesn't matter - its still a piece of shit! Its really a very obvious marketing illusion.

Eth, can and will, be replaced any an infinite number of "alts" to Eth. However, there is not any "alt" to BTC - there can't be, as BTC cannot be recreated, nor can it be uncreated. It takes a while for people to truly understand, but eventually they do...

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« Reply #10795 on: April 29, 2024, 03:20:13 AM »
They have been showing zero flows for the past 3 trading days.

Yes, so in fact they HAVE been reporting they flows (as all BTC ETFs are required to do). Sometimes those flows are positive, sometimes they are neutral, sometimes they are negative. This is how all ETFs work, BTC EFT's being no exception. Last 3 days IBIT has had no "inflows" (nor "outflows") of any significance (so basically neutral over these last 3 days).

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« Reply #10796 on: April 29, 2024, 03:46:32 AM »
Broader market is looking pretty messed up right now. Gonna need the JPowell and/or Yellen to pull another rabbit out of the hat pretty soon, otherwise it's gonna be a long sideways chop this summer and possibly longer.

We went parabolic and peaked.

You can see the buyer clusters. It all rests on the shoulders of the ETF buyers to hold 58k. Everyone is certain ETF Buyers are diamond hands. 🙌

There is a lot of anger and confusion around. The kind that needs layers to get rid of.

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« Reply #10797 on: April 29, 2024, 09:22:00 AM »
😂

It can feel a bit like that at times.
still I read in credible sources that 120k is to be expected in 24 months. I have no reason to doubt these sources majorly. So lets take off 20% to be conservative and we get 100k

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« Reply #10798 on: April 29, 2024, 10:27:13 AM »
We went parabolic and peaked.

You can see the buyer clusters. It all rests on the shoulders of the ETF buyers to hold 58k. Everyone is certain ETF Buyers are diamond hands. 🙌

There is a lot of anger and confusion around. The kind that needs layers to get rid of. But some of the ETF buyers, and especially those who by general ETFs of which the BTC ETF is a small part off, will naturally be long term passive hodlers (and indeed accumulators) over time.


No buyer is an absolute diamond hand. If they were, there would be no trading except for newly mined coin. WHat we do know, is that many of the ETF buyers will be passive and "sticky", and many will slowly accumulate and hodl for decades to come, especially as the BTC ETFs get incorporated into small portions of more general asset ETFs.

As for holding 58K, all these short term predictions are really non-sensical, as no-one can predict these with certainty. However, what we an do is conclude that is likely BTC will rise for ever, and if so, we simply stack and hodl.

Further, looking at this in USD (which is among the least worst performing of all global currencies) vs BTC is rather US-centric, when you consider that the USD has itself gained against almost all global currencies over the last year. Against most global currencies, BTC is close to, or at the absolute peak, and even against the USD (which has outperformed most global currencies) BTC is up over 100% in just the last year alone.

You are looking at, and being distracted by, micro-parabolas. If you were to zoom out, to say, 2030, you would just see one massive parabolic adoption curve, just like if you zoomed in/our on Microsoft, Amazon, or Google.

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« Reply #10799 on: April 29, 2024, 11:22:10 AM »
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