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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #11200 on: August 30, 2024, 02:43:57 PM »
Obsidian you are still confused.

Hash rate for security, Miners  for centralisation.

You should be spending your energy on what you need ETH to do in order to not go down in flames.
Are you still confusing ASICs with GPUs?  ;D

I do appreciate your ETH FUD. More please!!  :P


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« Reply #11201 on: August 30, 2024, 02:56:03 PM »
Your concerns are all nicely addressed in video - enjoy. :)
I watched it at 2x speed. Nothing said I did not already know. Guy talks about BTC's finite supply of 21 million. There's nothing unique about that. ZCASH has the same 21 million cap and offers superior privacy compared with Bitcoin. It should be more desirable for people that want to avoid government scrutiny. Monero is even better for that.

He talks about miners delving into AI to offset BTC mining losses. And he mentions the risk that they might ditch BTC mining entirely since AI and GPUs are so much more profitable currently. Those ASICs are useless for anything other than BTC mining which is why I loathe them.

Well, all this means is it helps AI and does nothing for the BTC network.

IF the BTC price starts rising to $100,000 and beyond it will provide some relief for the miners. And then 4 years from now we do this again. As I mentioned, the BTC POW model with a finite supply starts to crack 12-20 years from now.

You're a long-term Bitcoin investor, at least just think about the mining / fee problem 20 years from now. It's possible that governments will get involved as their holdings increase and will be willing to subsidize securing the BTC network with tax-payer funds. We'll see what happens. Securing BTC via POW mining with the ridiculous power consumption is moronic IMO.

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« Reply #11202 on: August 31, 2024, 09:25:10 AM »
Securing BTC via POW mining with the ridiculous power consumption is moronic IMO.

If you want the ultimate form of money cannot be counterfeited, you need to root it some something which cannot be counterfeited. Which is energy.

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« Reply #11203 on: August 31, 2024, 01:58:29 PM »
If you want the ultimate form of money cannot be counterfeited, you need to root it some something which cannot be counterfeited. Which is energy.
All blockchains use energy. You can't run Ethereum without validators and nodes. Both require decent computer hardware. Nodes need more storage. Validators need less storage but still require fast SSDs. Both need to have network reliability, reliable power and redundancy.

ETH Nodes: 6279
https://ethernodes.org/

ETH Validators: 1,063,827
https://beaconcha.in/charts/validators

Solana's hardware requirements are insane. Ethereum, Solana, Cardano and other blockhain validators and nodes are vastly more complex than an ASIC appliance.

To attack a POS chain like Ethereum you would have to first buy 32 ETH per validator, and then buy the hardware to become one. Then you need to get in a queue to actually get the validator up and running. Since you are attacking the network know that your ETH funds will be slashed when the dishonest behavior is discovered. You wasted electrical power and your ETH assets are lost.

To attack Bitcoin you need the hardware and electricity. Your funds are not slashed. An unsuccessful attack means you wasted the electricity. You can sell the hardware but the power was wasted.

Human Energy:
You need humans to develop the blockchains. Bitcoin is no different. Bitcoin depends on human energy to make it work. Setting up mining farms, developing updates, maintaining the hardware, etc. Same goes for Ethereum and other blockchains. There are almost 8x mode ETH L1 developers than BTC. If you add in the ETH L2 developers the human energy completely dwarfs all other current blockchains. As mentioned above there are over 1 million ETH validators and over 6,000 ETH nodes. That's thousands more humans required to install, configure, maintain, etc.

Developers:
https://www.developerreport.com/

ETH Total Developers: 8,865
ETH Full-Time Developers: 2,788

ETH L2 Base Total Developers: 3,991
ETH L2 Base Full-Time Developers: 889

BTC Total Developers: 1,246
BTC Full-Time Developers: 358

The Ethereum L2s Base, Polygon, Arbitrum & Optimism each have more developers than Bitcoin.



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« Reply #11204 on: August 31, 2024, 11:27:16 PM »

To attack Bitcoin you need the hardware and electricity. Your funds are not slashed. An unsuccessful attack means you wasted the electricity. You can sell the hardware but the power was wasted.


Yes, but you do realize how much energy you would need and how much that would cost you right?

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« Reply #11205 on: September 01, 2024, 11:32:06 PM »
Always interesting to look and observe at the BTC to ETH price ratio. You will see ETH continues to decline. (Had a little pop on ETF hope, which turns out to be a real dud, and now has resumed its continued downward trend).

Eth is now down 24% to BTC since the beginning of the year, and this is likely to continue. So we might well be looking at down 35-50% BTC by year end.

Always interesting to look back and see how things turned out.

At the time I wrote this, the Eth to BTC ratio was around 0.055 (ie - one eth bought you 0.055 of a BTC). Now that ratio is 0.043). Eth was already down 24% to BTC over the year at that time. It's now down 33%, and is at a year to date, one year, 2 year, and 3 year, low to BTC in comparative value.

So, we have now are touching the bottom end of my 35-50% decline prediction, passing a 30% decline, and as I said, I expect that decline to increase over time.

It should now be very obvious to all that we are in the "1 step forwards, 2 steps back" pattern for Eth, with no end in sight which I can realistically foresee.

I could certainly imagine a scenario where all "crypto" sharply drops for a period of time (with BTC dropping the least) as well as one where BTC sharply rises (with Eth being left behind and rising far less that BTC). Both scenarios would of course widen the BTC / Eth ratio decline if this was to occur.

Either way, whether this "slow death" of ETH continues just a as a slow bleed or whether its decline curve starts to accelerate at some point is not yet clear, but what I would say is to move your remaining value of any Eth into BTC if you are looking for long term store of value, and into Sol if you want some exposure to de-gen speculation further on down the infinitely dilutive spectrum of shitcoins.

Obsidian - we are all here to ultimately help each other, and I know you are a smart guy. Why not just DCA Eth to BTC a little each day/week, to at least balance out your exposure not to mention salvage what you have? (I know you mentioned tax, but I still think ultimately you should consider, and a smart guy like you should easily be able out to figure out a way to do this which does not result in your money being stolen).

This may be one of this "rip off the band-aid" moments - you know you need to do it, and it's gonna hurt a little either way you do it, fast or slow.

We all want to be here in 5-10 year confidently gloating about our BTC value in unison, not telling stories of regrets and shitcoin lessons learned, "coulda, woulda, shoulda", etc, commiserating each other on losses, and then having me pull up this post as a quote writing about "told you so" and "hope lessons have been learned..." etc.


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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #11206 on: September 02, 2024, 12:32:32 PM »
Yes, but you do realize how much energy you would need and how much that would cost you right?
I realize that. What it rockets or bombs were used to attack a few large mining farms? Or cut / destroy their power feeds? What if Saylor is kidnapped?

Bitcoin and Ethereum or any other blockchain could also receive Layer 0 attacks.

- A misinformation campaign could erode the trust the Bitcoin or Ethereum community has.
- Targeted attacks and/or intimidation directed at the developer community.
- Over-zealous regulation could also be considered to be an attack on Layer 0.
- Infiltration of knowledgeable but malicious actors into the developer community.
- Bribes made to key players in the Bitcoin or Ethereum ecosystem to influence decision making.

https://ethereum.org/en/developers/docs/consensus-mechanisms/pos/attack-and-defense/

For a 51% Ethereum attack you would need to acquire more than 23.5 million ETH. Then you need to buy the hardware to configure more than 734,375 validators. It is not recommended to have more than 1000 validators on one powerful machine. That's more than 734 machines. How much time would it take to setup and run 734,375 validators? If one person can do 10 per day, and you have 10 people working on it - that still leaves 7,344 days. That's 20 years. 10 years with 20 people and 2 years with 100 people.



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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #11207 on: September 02, 2024, 03:04:24 PM »

I’m starting to see people talk 2026 😂

“It’s not going anywhere right now so let’s HoDL because that will magically fix my being wrong in the short term”

No.

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« Reply #11208 on: September 04, 2024, 10:42:34 PM »


Super cycle narrative being pulled out again. More and more 2026 talk happening.

Yes, the same narrative that got retail wrecked is being pulled out again.

The supercycle narrative gunna be used in conjunction with the US re-pegging the USD I warned of yonks ago. This works very well on retail plebs as price action will suck badly and be explained away as ‘oh but the US hasn’t pegged yet but once they do, price will rocket’.

Also seeing utterly horrific economic takes right now.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #11209 on: September 06, 2024, 05:02:20 AM »

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« Reply #11210 on: September 06, 2024, 01:43:13 PM »
Eth getting absolutely raped!

Now down 35% YOY to BTC and at its lowest level to BTC for the year now just .041 BTC to 1 ETH. Also a year low and an almost linear continuation of the trend.

Obsidian - please can you stop with this stubbornness and just rip off the band-aid.

Deep down you know - BTC will outperform ETH on the upside, and then on the downside, eth underperforms.

Here is what I would do - of 100% Eth I would move 60% into BTC right now. Keep 20% in ETH and move 10% each into Solana and Filecoin.

You are a smart guy, and you deserve to be rewarded for that.

Please have a think... Come one man. This is not about one person outdoing the other. Just lets all succeed please.

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« Reply #11211 on: September 06, 2024, 02:39:54 PM »
Eth getting absolutely raped!

Now down 35% YOY to BTC and at its lowest level to BTC for the year now just .041 BTC to 1 ETH. Also a year low and an almost linear continuation of the trend.

Obsidian - please can you stop with this stubbornness and just rip off the band-aid.

Deep down you know - BTC will outperform ETH on the upside, and then on the downside, eth underperforms.

Here is what I would do - of 100% Eth I would move 60% into BTC right now. Keep 20% in ETH and move 10% each into Solana and Filecoin.

You are a smart guy, and you deserve to be rewarded for that.

Please have a think... Come one man. This is not about one person outdoing the other. Just lets all succeed please.
lol I love it! Thanks for all the compliments and wishing me success - I appreciate it! I wish the same for you!

Don't take this the wrong way, but I won't be chasing the BTC / ETH pairing. There are capital gains tax implications for me and as you mentioned ETH already bled against BTC. It could bleed more in the near term. Trading now would be the equivalent of buying high and selling low. My conviction in Ethereum is also very strong. I see through the noise, the FUD, the fundamentals.

Bitcoin is like a shiny house sitting on shitty foundations. Or a mansion built on a fault or flood area. It is bound to have problems long-term.

Look at this example:

Man lost nearly all his Bitcoin by mining Bitcoin

On August 2021 I spent exactly 1 BTC on 6 Antminer S19j Pros. These were state-of-the art miners that cost $7,500 each, and were hosted with Compass Mining, which sources warehouses with cheap electricity ($0.06 kw/h which gradually increased to $0.08 kw/h).

As of today, these miners are no longer profitable to run. These miners are now worth $500 each (0.05 BTC for 6) which means I lost .95 BTC on the hardware cost.

Electricity for the miners was paid each month with the bitcoin mined. Of the .9 BTC mined between 2021 and today, .7 BTC went to electricity costs. This means in 3 years, the miners only made .2 BTC of profit.

So my initial investment of 1 BTC has resulted in .2 BTC of revenue and .05 BTC worth of hardware. I only have .25 BTC to show for all of this, a loss of 75%.

Please do not make the mistake I did, you are infinitely better off just buying and holding bitcoin than by trying to mine it. The bottom line is bitcoin mining is subsidized by fiat loans, companies can absolutely make a profit in fiat terms by taking out loans to buy miners, but by spending bitcoin on miners directly the depreciation of the hardware will make it so you never, ever make a return in bitcoin.

Right now an Antminer S21 costs 0.09 BTC and will net you 0.001-0.002 BTC a month after electricity costs. With a break even time of 4-7 years at the current hash rate (and hash rate only gets exponentially higher over time), you will never, ever make your bitcoin back.


BTC POW mining is doomed in the long run. The miner rewards will keep halving and then transaction fees are supposed to keep miners interested to secure the network. They have been mining at a loss for months. Miners are switching their operations to AI which will have little benefit for BTC. Miners are basically doing pro bono work at a loss! That's dedication. Meanwhile ETH stakers are earning yield and not losing out like BTC miners are.

A person pool staking 100 ETH will earn a little over 2 ETH at current rates in 1 year. Even at $2000 / ETH that's $4000+ of passive income per year on $200,000 committed to staking. If the value of ETH goes up their passive income increases in dollar terms. The yields could also increase if stakers drop out. It regulates the same way the BTC mining difficulty is supposed to adjust. Some investors may not like a 2% APY on ETH staking and decide to stop staking. Then the yield increases for the remaining stakers. I used to earn 4% APY on ETH staking a few years ago.

A BTC miner spending $200,000 on electricity and hardware in 1 year could potentially mine 2.75 BTC per year at current rates - no guarantee.
A BTC buyer spending $200,000 on BTC at today's rate could buy 3.8 BTC. 3.8-2.75 =  1.05 BTC or around $53,000.

The BTC miner paid a premium of $53,000 on $200,000 worth of BTC compared to the BTC buyer. The BTC miner did all the work so the BTC buyer could buy at a discount. Seems destined to fail.

https://en.macromicro.me/charts/29435/bitcoin-production-total-cost

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #11212 on: September 07, 2024, 02:14:29 AM »
Eth getting absolutely raped!

Now down 35% YOY to BTC and at its lowest level to BTC for the year now just .041 BTC to 1 ETH. Also a year low and an almost linear continuation of the trend.

Obsidian - please can you stop with this stubbornness and just rip off the band-aid.

Deep down you know - BTC will outperform ETH on the upside, and then on the downside, eth underperforms.

Here is what I would do - of 100% Eth I would move 60% into BTC right now. Keep 20% in ETH and move 10% each into Solana and Filecoin.

You are a smart guy, and you deserve to be rewarded for that.

Please have a think... Come one man. This is not about one person outdoing the other. Just lets all succeed please.
BTC ETFs getting raped really hard. The past 8 trading sessions have been way in the red. Worse than the ETH ETFs which have not been great either lol! At least BlackRock's ETHA saw some inflows on Friday.

https://farside.co.uk/btc/
https://farside.co.uk/eth/

GIB, I saw and held ETH when it crashed from $1,350 down to $80 in 2018/2019. Do you think a crash from $4,000 to $2,000 will faze me?

I also saw ETH crash from a high of 0.15 BTC down to around 0.017 in 2020. It rebounded by 2021. ETH also initially held better than Bitcoin when BTC took a crap after 2021. 2 years ago is when the ETH / BTC pair broke down. ETH is very oversold and undervalued compared to BTC. Smart money would realize now is the time to rotate into Ethereum. Your advice could be flipped. I say you should be happy with how well BTC performed compared to ETH and rotate into Ethereum.

We might see one of the most hated ETH rallies come from nowhere as it has done before - with many people sitting on the sidelines. The fundamentals are good. Base activity is through the roof. Sony is releasing an ETH L2. ETH inflation is still lower than Bitcoin and a lot lower than Solana. ETH staking is at an ATH. The only thing that's sucked so far is the price. That can always change as it had before.


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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #11213 on: September 07, 2024, 04:50:20 AM »
BTC ETFs getting raped really hard. The past 8 trading sessions have been way in the red. Worse than the ETH ETFs which have not been great either lol! At least BlackRock's ETHA saw some inflows on Friday.

https://farside.co.uk/btc/
https://farside.co.uk/eth/

GIB, I saw and held ETH when it crashed from $1,350 down to $80 in 2018/2019. Do you think a crash from $4,000 to $2,000 will faze me?

I also saw ETH crash from a high of 0.15 BTC down to around 0.017 in 2020. It rebounded by 2021. ETH also initially held better than Bitcoin when BTC took a crap after 2021. 2 years ago is when the ETH / BTC pair broke down. ETH is very oversold and undervalued compared to BTC. Smart money would realize now is the time to rotate into Ethereum. Your advice could be flipped. I say you should be happy with how well BTC performed compared to ETH and rotate into Ethereum.

We might see one of the most hated ETH rallies come from nowhere as it has done before - with many people sitting on the sidelines. The fundamentals are good. Base activity is through the roof. Sony is releasing an ETH L2. ETH inflation is still lower than Bitcoin and a lot lower than Solana. ETH staking is at an ATH. The only thing that's sucked so far is the price. That can always change as it had before.

I bought the bitcoin ETF a few days after it came out on Schwab. I had been up 50%, now only up 30%. It is a small portion of the overall portfolio. It was a small bet that bitcoin might eventually become more mainstream since it was offered on the brokerage. So, I'm not so worried about these fluctuations I'm just holding and waiting to see what happens years down the road.

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« Reply #11214 on: September 09, 2024, 04:09:24 AM »
I bought the bitcoin ETF a few days after it came out on Schwab. I had been up 50%, now only up 30%. It is a small portion of the overall portfolio. It was a small bet that bitcoin might eventually become more mainstream since it was offered on the brokerage. So, I'm not so worried about these fluctuations I'm just holding and waiting to see what happens years down the road.

If your thesis is that is will rise over time, simply hodl and let time be your friend. Treat every dip as a further accumulation opportunity.

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« Reply #11215 on: September 15, 2024, 09:14:24 AM »
Eth to BTC systemic decline continues.

1 Eth now just buys .04 of a BTC. An all time low for the last year, 2 years, and 3 years when Eth commenced its systemic decline to BTC (being seen from that point on as just another "alt" as opposed to a rival to BTC's store of value function).

And Eth now down 36% to BTC over the last year, having now entered my predicted range of being down 35-50% to BTC over this year.

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« Reply #11216 on: September 18, 2024, 11:31:29 AM »
Well we got 50 Bps from the Fed boys! When money flows again, BTC rises. And in the short term this should help float all boats - even Eth... :)

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« Reply #11217 on: September 18, 2024, 04:56:42 PM »
Well we got 50 Bps from the Fed boys! When money flows again, BTC rises. And in the short term this should help float all boats - even Eth... :)

Should I be posting bullish things and fuel the fire? 🤔

I have an optimistic price target by the way. I just wasn’t sure if we hit it this cycle or next.

If we go down lower within the next 6mths, I give higher chance of my optimistic number occuring.

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« Reply #11218 on: September 18, 2024, 05:23:36 PM »
Should I be posting bullish things and fuel the fire? 🤔

I have an optimistic price target by the way. I just wasn’t sure if we hit it this cycle or next.

If we go down lower within the next 6mths, I give higher chance of my optimistic number occuring.

You know a hurricane is gonna hit Florida just not sure if it’s this year or next year by the way.

If there is no hurricane in the next 6 months I give a higher chance of the hurricane occurring next year. 


Anyone else hear the peanuts teacher when this guy posts his Nostradamus predictions?

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #11219 on: September 19, 2024, 07:37:33 AM »
BTC and ETH seem to be following the US stock market upward today, a day after the big Fed rate cut.  Let's hope it lasts.   ;D


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« Reply #11220 on: September 25, 2024, 03:32:36 AM »
Eth getting absolutely raped!

Now down 35% YOY to BTC and at its lowest level to BTC for the year now just .041 BTC to 1 ETH. Also a year low and an almost linear continuation of the trend.

Obsidian - please can you stop with this stubbornness and just rip off the band-aid.

Deep down you know - BTC will outperform ETH on the upside, and then on the downside, eth underperforms.

Here is what I would do - of 100% Eth I would move 60% into BTC right now. Keep 20% in ETH and move 10% each into Solana and Filecoin.

You are a smart guy, and you deserve to be rewarded for that.

Please have a think... Come one man. This is not about one person outdoing the other. Just lets all succeed please.

Gib you are becoming a good inverse indicator. I've lost count of how many completely wrong takes you've given this year.

There may be one more low for ETH/BTC but it won't last long. You are basically marking the low though for ETH/BTC and posting that people swap ETH for BTC when they should be doing exactly the opposite.

ETH recovery and new ATHs is simple. The sexy yields from Tradfi instruments are about to end and ETH yield will become much more sexier.

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« Reply #11221 on: September 25, 2024, 05:35:38 AM »
Gib you are becoming a good inverse indicator. I've lost count of how many completely wrong takes you've given this year.

There may be one more low for ETH/BTC but it won't last long. You are basically marking the low though for ETH/BTC and posting that people swap ETH for BTC when they should be doing exactly the opposite.

ETH recovery and new ATHs is simple. The sexy yields from Tradfi instruments are about to end and ETH yield will become much more sexier.

What are you talking about you fool?

First of all Eth has been on a continuous decline to BTC for the last 3 years. Take a look at the data. Its almost a perfect continues relate of decline.

Second, I called for Eth's decline with the ETH to BTC ratio was 1 eth to 0.06 BTC a year ago. It now 1 eth to 0.041 BTC. And you think I am "wrong" because ETH recently hit .04, and now is .041? You absolute imbecile lol!

Eth is now down 33% to BTC over the last year. If you really think this trend will reverse, then sell your bitcoin to buy shitcoins - I dare you!

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #11222 on: September 25, 2024, 05:53:50 AM »
Obsidan - this clip may interest you...


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« Reply #11223 on: September 25, 2024, 06:17:00 AM »
What are you talking about you fool?

First of all Eth has been on a continuous decline to BTC for the last 3 years. Take a look at the data. Its almost a perfect continues relate of decline.

Second, I called for Eth's decline with the ETH to BTC ratio was 1 eth to 0.06 BTC a year ago. It now 1 eth to 0.041 BTC. And you think I am "wrong" because ETH recently hit .04, and now is .041? You absolute imbecile lol!

Eth is now down 33% to BTC over the last year. If you really think this trend will reverse, then sell your bitcoin to buy shitcoins - I dare you!

Nice meltdown

Tell me again about how all ALTs are going to banned by the SEC

Tell me again how Wall St cronies would never allow an ETH ETF as they chose BTC as their winner.

Tell me again how you're a securities law expert by profession and how ETH would be declared a security.

My brother you should do the honourable thing and commit Seppuku or at least find a new profession.

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« Reply #11224 on: September 25, 2024, 06:34:00 AM »
Nice meltdown

Tell me again about how all ALTs are going to banned by the SEC

Tell me again how Wall St cronies would never allow an ETH ETF as they chose BTC as their winner.

Tell me again how you're a securities law expert by profession and how ETH would be declared a security.


My brother you should do the honourable thing and commit Seppuku or at least find a new profession.

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