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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #11225 on: September 25, 2024, 06:48:33 AM »
What are you talking about you fool?

First of all Eth has been on a continuous decline to BTC for the last 3 years. Take a look at the data. Its almost a perfect continues relate of decline.

Second, I called for Eth's decline with the ETH to BTC ratio was 1 eth to 0.06 BTC a year ago. It now 1 eth to 0.041 BTC. And you think I am "wrong" because ETH recently hit .04, and now is .041? You absolute imbecile lol!

Eth is now down 33% to BTC over the last year. If you really think this trend will reverse, then sell your bitcoin to buy shitcoins - I dare you!

You have taken a trend of the last 24 hours, and tried to some how claim this is a reversal of a trend we have seen for the last 3 years? You absolute de-gen moron Flexatron lol!

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« Reply #11226 on: September 25, 2024, 06:53:18 AM »
Nice meltdown

Tell me again about how all ALTs are going to banned by the SEC

Tell me again how Wall St cronies would never allow an ETH ETF as they chose BTC as their winner.

Tell me again how you're a securities law expert by profession and how ETH would be declared a security.

My brother you should do the honourable thing and commit Seppuku or at least find a new profession.

I have already explained it to you many times - go back and read my comments. (In summary, ETH IS a security). However, I cannot control the decisions of the SEC can I. Do I think the decision is wrong? Yes, I do, and the reasons for that will be proven to be the case in good time (which is of course also why, despite being now listed as an ETF, ETH continues to underperform. As I explained earlier, you can wrap a piece of shit in a nice wrapper, but underneath it all, its still a piece of shit, not matter how you disguise it, or what you call it..

Now go watch the clip I just posted about Coinbase and Eth...


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« Reply #11227 on: September 25, 2024, 08:17:14 AM »
You have taken a trend of the last 24 hours, and tried to some how claim this is a reversal of a trend we have seen for the last 3 years? You absolute de-gen moron Flexatron lol!

Misquoting the wrong post. That's when you know they are in meltdown mode.

My man I never said it was a reversal. I even said it could go lower. Reading comprehension bro. My post was strongly weighted to how you are more of a counter indicator these days, so I'm calling for a reversal soon. Never said this was it.

Gib you are becoming a good inverse indicator. I've lost count of how many completely wrong takes you've given this year.

There may be one more low for ETH/BTC but it won't last long. You are basically marking the low though for ETH/BTC and posting that people swap ETH for BTC when they should be doing exactly the opposite.

ETH recovery and new ATHs is simple. The sexy yields from Tradfi instruments are about to end and ETH yield will become much more sexier.

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« Reply #11228 on: September 25, 2024, 08:17:54 AM »
I have already explained it to you many times - go back and read my comments. (In summary, ETH IS a security). However, I cannot control the decisions of the SEC can I. Do I think the decision is wrong? Yes, I do, and the reasons for that will be proven to be the case in good time (which is of course also why, despite being now listed as an ETF, ETH continues to underperform. As I explained earlier, you can wrap a piece of shit in a nice wrapper, but underneath it all, its still a piece of shit, not matter how you disguise it, or what you call it..

Now go watch the clip I just posted about Coinbase and Eth...

My guy, at this point taking advice from you on anything securities related would be like taking dieting advice from Shizzo or bodybuilding tips from Bhanks

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« Reply #11229 on: September 25, 2024, 09:02:11 AM »
My guy, at this point taking advice from you on anything securities related would be like taking dieting advice from Shizzo or bodybuilding tips from Bhanks

Well, all I can say is make your own decisions based on all information you have available. Ultimately, time will determine whether those decisions are the right ones or not. I believe you will learn a lesson...

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« Reply #11230 on: September 25, 2024, 10:00:13 AM »

ETH recovery and new ATHs is simple. The sexy yields from Tradfi instruments are about to end and ETH yield will become much more sexier.

Nothing sexy about staking (vs doing actual work), and no such thing as "free money" in this world, sad to have to tell you...

Diminishing Returns on Security - The addition of more  and more validators in terms of security provides marginal benefit decreases, while the costs as a result of the ETH issuance continue to rise.

Increased Costs for Validators - As we see more staking occur (chasing that "sexy yield"), the operational costs, hardware upkeep etc also rise. These costs ultimately are born by users, and will make the network more expensive to maintain over time.

Centralization Risks - With large entities or staking pools controlling significant portions of staked ETH the risk of centralization obviously increases. This will compromise the very decentralization that Ethereum pretends to have.

Dilution and Inflation - Worst of all (for those wanting "number go up". It is actually all an illusion, just like how people believe a stock become more valuable because the company has done a stock split. Excessive issuance of new ETH to reward validators will obviously leads to inflation, which dilutes the value of existing ETH holdings. Ands this is of course EXACTLY why we are seeing the value of ETH decline to BTC over time.

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« Reply #11231 on: September 25, 2024, 11:45:01 AM »
Nothing sexy about staking (vs doing actual work), and no such thing as "free money" in this world, sad to have to tell you...

Diminishing Returns on Security - The addition of more  and more validators in terms of security provides marginal benefit decreases, while the costs as a result of the ETH issuance continue to rise.

Increased Costs for Validators - As we see more staking occur (chasing that "sexy yield"), the operational costs, hardware upkeep etc also rise. These costs ultimately are born by users, and will make the network more expensive to maintain over time.

Centralization Risks - With large entities or staking pools controlling significant portions of staked ETH the risk of centralization obviously increases. This will compromise the very decentralization that Ethereum pretends to have.

Dilution and Inflation - Worst of all (for those wanting "number go up". It is actually all an illusion, just like how people believe a stock become more valuable because the company has done a stock split. Excessive issuance of new ETH to reward validators will obviously leads to inflation, which dilutes the value of existing ETH holdings. Ands this is of course EXACTLY why we are seeing the value of ETH decline to BTC over time.
The Pectra upgrade in early 2025 will remove the 32 ETH cap for validators. This will make it possible to reduce the number of validators required.

"The Pectra upgrade will raise the staking cap for Ethereum validators from 32 ETH to 2,048 ETH. Ethereum core developers are targeting the launch of the Pectra upgrade by the end of the first quarter of 2025."

https://coinedition.com/ethereums-pectra-upgrade-stakes-raised-for-validators-smart-contracts-get-smarter/#:~:text=The%20Pectra%20upgrade%20will%20raise%20the%20staking%20cap,the%20end%20of%20the%20first%20quarter%20of%202025.

Ethereum is already over secured. The cost and time to attack the ETH network is higher than it is to attack Bitcoin. I did the numbers. It would cost around $5-10 billion upfront and around $10 million in daily costs to perform a BTC 51% attack. I can provide the breakdown if you'd like to see it.

To attack ETH you need to acquire more than 51% of the staked ETH, purchase hardware, find enough people to configure the hardware and validators. It would take months to years to get it all set up. And as ETH is acquired the price would go up making it more and more expensive to reach the 51% threshold. Even at the current price of $2,500 you would need $40 billion - if you could purchase that. Sure, some existing whales could be compromised or have bad intentions - which could lower the threshold. It would still cost more IMO compared with attacking Bitcoin.

The biggest issue for me with Bitcoin is the POW model does not fare well into the future. Miners have already been mining at a huge loss for months. Every 4 years it gets worse for miners. Difficulty is not adjusting to make mining profitable. 16-24 years from now it simply won't be economically feasible. Perhaps large stakeholders would be willing to secure BTC at a loss. But that means it becomes completely centralized.

https://en.macromicro.me/charts/29435/bitcoin-production-total-cost

Many large miners including MARA are opting to follow Saylor's strategy of buying Bitcoin instead of mining it at a loss. The problem is you need miners to secure the network and confirm transactions. This is a house of cards built on a shit foundation.

https://www.coindesk.com/business/2024/09/16/another-bitcoin-miner-adopts-microstrategys-playbook-of-buying-btc-in-open-market/

Another Bitcoin Miner Adopts MicroStrategy's Playbook of Buying BTC in Open Market
Cathedra Bitcoin will move away from mining business and will develop data centers instead.

It was Michael Saylor whose MicroStrategy championed large corporations buying bitcoin (BTC) on the open market. Then, surprisingly, one of the biggest bitcoin mining firms, Marathon Digital (MARA), adopted the same strategy. And now another miner is following the same path.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #11232 on: September 25, 2024, 11:54:06 AM »
You are basically marking the low though for ETH/BTC and posting that people swap ETH for BTC when they should be doing exactly the opposite.
That's why I said that advice can be likened to:

Buy high and sell low!



BTC has been gifted a high valuation and pumped by people like Trump who has no clue how it all works. He does not understand the mining profitability dilemma, caused by the halving cycles. BTC is overvalued compared to Ethereum. This happened before. ETH should really be 1/6 the value of BTC, if not more. I'll give BTC a nod for the first mover advantage.

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« Reply #11233 on: September 25, 2024, 11:57:47 AM »
I have already explained it to you many times - go back and read my comments. (In summary, ETH IS a security). However, I cannot control the decisions of the SEC can I. Do I think the decision is wrong? Yes, I do, and the reasons for that will be proven to be the case in good time (which is of course also why, despite being now listed as an ETF, ETH continues to underperform. As I explained earlier, you can wrap a piece of shit in a nice wrapper, but underneath it all, its still a piece of shit, not matter how you disguise it, or what you call it..

Now go watch the clip I just posted about Coinbase and Eth...
If not for the Securities Act of 1933 you would not even be using that phrase. And it was developed in 1933, long before cryptocurrencies were developed.

Since you cannot control the SEC's decisions, you might as well stop referring to ETH as a security. You come across as a spoiled child tossing his toys in the sandbox.

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« Reply #11234 on: September 25, 2024, 12:02:40 PM »
Well, all I can say is make your own decisions based on all information you have available. Ultimately, time will determine whether those decisions are the right ones or not. I believe you will learn a lesson...
The ETH / BTC ratio might worsen for a few more weeks. I anticipate that you'll be posting about it. I personally think the ETH / BTC ratio will eventually improve in the favor of ETH, as its done before. But time will tell - we'll see what happens. I won't be posting about this until / if we see a clear reversal trend.

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« Reply #11235 on: September 25, 2024, 10:33:00 PM »
The ETH / BTC ratio might worsen for a few more weeks. I anticipate that you'll be posting about it. I personally think the ETH / BTC ratio will eventually improve in the favor of ETH, as its done before. But time will tell - we'll see what happens. I won't be posting about this until / if we see a clear reversal trend.

I know you are smart enough to recognize the trend of continued Eth decline to BTC. Not sure I'll post about it in a few weeks, but be assured I will revisit this in a year or so. We started this at around 0.,06. I posted at 0.055, and at 0.42. Time will tell...

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« Reply #11236 on: September 25, 2024, 10:40:54 PM »
If not for the Securities Act of 1933 you would not even be using that phrase. And it was developed in 1933, long before cryptocurrencies were developed.

Since you cannot control the SEC's decisions, you might as well stop referring to ETH as a security. You come across as a spoiled child tossing his toys in the sandbox.

To some extent you are right - words are just words. If enough people call a banana an apple, it becomes known as an apple - but its qualities of course essentially remain the same.

Same concept with a business which issue "tokens" rather than "shares". If you own a share in a business, that is a security. Calling it a "token" does not fundamentally change what it is you own.

And that of course then leads into how you value a shitcoin (basically a tokenized share in a business). Almost all such shitcoins are vastly overvalued based on any fundamental analysis which you would apply to a business or "project" that such a share or token is associated with.

And then of course leads to the question as to what makes BTC different, and why is that also not as valueless as other shitcoins. The answer to that should of course be obvious to anyone who has read this entire thread from beginning to end, or who understands the fundamental purpose of the creation of Bitcoin.

The sad reality is that we cannot all make an infinite amount of money continuously issuing an infinite number of "alts" to BTC. If only it was that easy. As I have said many times before, lessons are continuously being learned. United with BTC as a defence against fiat devaluation we thrive - divided with shitcoinery we fall (well shitcoiners at least will fall). Anyone here dabbling in shitcoinery has been sufficiently warned...




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« Reply #11237 on: September 26, 2024, 06:37:15 AM »
I have already explained it to you many times - go back and read my comments. (In summary, ETH IS a security). However, I cannot control the decisions of the SEC can I. Do I think the decision is wrong? Yes, I do, and the reasons for that will be proven to be the case in good time (which is of course also why, despite being now listed as an ETF, ETH continues to underperform. As I explained earlier, you can wrap a piece of shit in a nice wrapper, but underneath it all, its still a piece of shit, not matter how you disguise it, or what you call it..

Now go watch the clip I just posted about Coinbase and Eth...


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« Reply #11238 on: September 26, 2024, 05:58:07 PM »
ETH FUD everywhere. Slowly but surely they are building it out in the background.

Guggenheim Tokenizes First Digital Commercial Paper on Ethereum
The commercial paper, issued via Amp.Fi Digital, is the latest example of a tokenized real-world asset launched by a traditional finance giant.

https://decrypt.co/283351/guggenheim-tokenizes-commerical-paper-ethereum

Ethena debuts UStb stablecoin backed by BlackRock to complement USDe
Ethena Labs' new offering is projected as a complementary product to the synthetic USDe dollar.

https://cryptobriefing.com/ethena-labs-ustb-stablecoin/

Sony and Circle Partner to Bring USDC to New Ethereum Layer 2 Blockchain Soneium
Circle and Sony Block Solutions Labs announce a partnership to integrate bridged USDC on Sony's new Ethereum layer 2 blockchain

https://blockonomi.com/sony-and-circle-partner-to-bring-usdc-to-new-ethereum-layer-2-blockchain-soneium/

Visa unveils platform for banks to explore tokenized assets on Ethereum blockchain
Visa has launched its Tokenized Asset Platform (VTAP), aiming to provide financial institutions with tools to experiment with tokenized assets on blockchains.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/visa-unveils-platform-for-banks-to-explore-tokenized-assets-on-ethereum-blockchain/ar-AA1rc6fz?ocid=BingNewsVerp

Google Cloud launches Ethereum-compatible blockchain RPC service
Google Cloud has launched a Blockchain Remote Procedure Call (RPC) service to make it easier for crypto developers to interact with blockchain data and bolster the reliability of decentralized applications (DApps).

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/google-cloud-launches-ethereum-compatible-blockchain-rpc-service/ar-AA1qKM2c?ocid=BingNewsVerp

Ethereum Name Service Integrated with PayPal and Venmo for Crypto Transfers
On September 10, ENS Labs announced a new integration that will enable users of Venmo and PayPal to transfer cryptocurrency using Ethereum Name Service (ENS) names. This development is poised to expand the use of ENS names to over 270 million users in the United States.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/technology/ethereum-name-service-integrated-with-paypal-and-venmo-for-crypto-transfers/ar-AA1qHzZt?ocid=BingNewsVerp

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #11239 on: September 26, 2024, 06:02:18 PM »
Bitcoin Core Dev Aims to ‘Unite’ Bitcoin and Ethereum with Cross-Chain Tunnels
As recent cryptocurrency hacks highlight security vulnerabilities in cross-chain bridges, the community is exploring alternative methods to achieve interoperability. One project has introduced an innovative feature called “tunneling,” aimed at linking the two largest networks in the crypto space.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/bitcoin-core-dev-aims-to-unite-bitcoin-and-ethereum-with-cross-chain-tunnels/ar-AA1r6c2z

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« Reply #11240 on: September 27, 2024, 12:25:21 AM »
I have explained it before. BTC drives the entire "crypto market". BTC gains, and then the infinite number of alts, memes, shitcoins, scam coins, NFTs, "crypto projects", etc fight over the scraps ...

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« Reply #11241 on: September 27, 2024, 12:51:48 AM »
Obsidan - this clip may interest you...



Any thoughts Obsidian?

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« Reply #11242 on: September 27, 2024, 08:10:56 AM »
Keep stackin Satoshi’s!!!

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« Reply #11243 on: September 28, 2024, 02:52:18 PM »
BlackRock’s spot Ethereum ETF surpasses $1 billion in value for the first time

Following the Federal Reserve's recent rate cut, the price of ether has outperformed that of bitcoin as futures traders hint at renewed optimism towards the world's second-largest cryptocurrency by market capitalization. Transaction fees have also recently surged amid a significant increase in blockchain activity.

https://www.theblock.co/post/318584/blackrocks-spot-ethereum-etf-surpasses-1-billion-in-value-for-the-first-time

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« Reply #11244 on: September 29, 2024, 03:21:27 AM »
If not for the Securities Act of 1933 you would not even be using that phrase. And it was developed in 1933, long before cryptocurrencies were developed.

Since you cannot control the SEC's decisions, you might as well stop referring to ETH as a security. You come across as a spoiled child tossing his toys in the sandbox.

Another shit coin admits its is an unregistered security...

https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2024/09/27/mango-markets-agrees-to-destroy-mngo-tokens-in-sec-settlement/

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« Reply #11245 on: September 29, 2024, 08:12:48 AM »
Another shit coin admits its is an unregistered security...

https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2024/09/27/mango-markets-agrees-to-destroy-mngo-tokens-in-sec-settlement/

Did they?

"As part of the settlement, Mango DAO, Blockworks Foundation and Mango Labs are neither admitting nor denying the charges."

If you miss something as simple as this it's no wonder you've been wrong so often.

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« Reply #11246 on: September 29, 2024, 10:46:33 PM »
Did they?

"As part of the settlement, Mango DAO, Blockworks Foundation and Mango Labs are neither admitting nor denying the charges."

If you miss something as simple as this it's no wonder you've been wrong so often.

Oh what a predictable response. Why do you think the SEC went after them? It should be obvious:

https://www.sec.gov/securities-topics/crypto-assets

And why do you they agreed to destroyed their own tokens? And to forfeit some of their illegal gains to the SEC? Settling securities charges like this without formally admitting liability is a common approach in litigation of this type, especially if the other side has good lawyers. SEC got what it wanted (coins destroyed, message sent, assets forfeited, and will now move on to prosecuting the next shitcoin and its founders).

SEC has already taken on 100's of cryptos and their founders for breach of securities laws. You can see some of the concluded cases here...

https://www.sec.gov/securities-topics/crypto-assets

PS - speaking os shitcoins, how are all your favourites doing? (As I am sure you have learned now, or will eventually, Bitcoiners have been right all along - sometimes it takes time for a fool to realize how foolish they have been. In your case, if not already realized, you will in due course. Mark my words...)

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« Reply #11247 on: September 30, 2024, 12:44:37 AM »
If moving from ponzi scam to ponzi scam is your thing, in the hope that you can ultimately keep successfully keep accumulating more BTC in that method, as opposed to just stacking and holding BTC, good luck to you. The vast majority of people who do this (other than those who keep launching new alts and shitcoins), fail. Every cycle they learn their lesson, and every new cycles there are still others who give it a try and think they can outperform an infinitely diluting pool of money in alts. Its basic game theory - new coins will be infinitely launched to take advantage of any alt demand. (That can't happen with BTC itself - which is why we say "there is no second best". ...

Again, you will see - lessons will be learned...

At its peak value to BTC, 1 ETH bought 0.14 BTC. That was back in June of 2017. Since then it has declined to now being 1 Eth being able to purchase just 0.05 BTC. A terrible performance, and a perfect example of how those looking to buy "alts" to gain over BTC, instead end up behind over time. And as I said earlier, I expect this will continue. Do you agree? (Or do you believe this trend will reverse?). Shall we revisit, say, end of this year?

Not even the end of year, but since this post, Eth fell a futher 20% to BTC...

Lessons learned I hope...

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« Reply #11248 on: September 30, 2024, 12:52:15 AM »
Oh what a predictable response. Why do you think the SEC went after them? It should be obvious:

https://www.sec.gov/securities-topics/crypto-assets

And why do you they agreed to destroyed their own tokens? And to forfeit some of their illegal gains to the SEC? Settling securities charges like this without formally admitting liability is a common approach in litigation of this type, especially if the other side has good lawyers. SEC got what it wanted (coins destroyed, message sent, assets forfeited, and will now move on to prosecuting the next shitcoin and its founders).

SEC has already taken on 100's of cryptos and their founders for breach of securities laws. You can see some of the concluded cases here...

https://www.sec.gov/securities-topics/crypto-assets

PS - speaking os shitcoins, how are all your favourites doing? (As I am sure you have learned now, or will eventually, Bitcoiners have been right all along - sometimes it takes time for a fool to realize how foolish they have been. In your case, if not already realized, you will in due course. Mark my words...)

Remind me what happened when the SEC took ALTs who had the funds (XRP anyone?) and a desire to defend themselves. They fucking lost!

Mango was a small time operation and they decided they were better off settling.

You are grasping at straws and as fun as it is watching you dig yourself deeper into your hole, it's also getting kinda embarrassing.

 

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« Reply #11249 on: September 30, 2024, 12:59:46 AM »
Not even the end of year, but since this post, Eth fell a futher 20% to BTC...

Lessons learned I hope...

More grasping from you and embarrassment..

Already responded to that post

I said I don't hold ETH and to wait for the cycle high to be in which is most likely some point next year. Are you that desperate for a win that you're posting it now?

I haven't held ETH for a long time, at least not in the expectation of seeing profit from it, but I have used it to provide liquidity and stake for airdrops and points. With hindsight I wish I had done more of this as it was the easiest and lowest risk money to be made in the space.

I don't really care what BTC, ETH, or any other ALT were doing in 2017, because every cycle different. The trends in every cycle is different. I prefer to adjust to each cycle and even front run the trends if I can, so lets say this.

Even with my pessimistic/bearish bias on ETH price on it's own I still expect it to match if not better bitcoin price action from their 2022 cycles low to their next cycle highs. Are you willing to revisit this?