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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #9725 on: October 06, 2023, 03:24:46 PM »
There are 9.1M SOL coins that have been unlocked from the FTX estate that need to be sold. Ideally it all gets sold in the bear market and nukes SOL under $5 or something, but who knows when or how they plan on selling. It is a good all or nothing speculative buy though and I've been surprised how much work the devs have been doing on it since the FTX cascade.


Also don't forget it was classed as an unregistered security by the SEC. Can you still buy and sell it without issue?
Yes I agree. FTX will have to unload.

Solana ATH = $259.63
Solana 10/6/2023 = $23.61

Solana has already dropped 90.9 % from ATH. It has been resilient though and has a thriving community, many developers, and institutional interest.

But it has the cloud of FTX hanging over it and the numerous shutdowns in the past few years. It also shut down once in 2023.

Some reckon it might be worth getting into because it has dropped so much already. How much lower can it go? I personally don't have any SOL. But, smaller market cap coins can move much more than assets like Bitcoin.

Doge ATH = $0.753
Doge 10/6/2023 = $0.0615

Doge has dropped even more than Solana - 91.8327%. I should have sold it a few hours before Elon's SNL appearance. Lesson learned. In the future, I am going to dump it if it goes back to ATH. Fuck diamond hands - lol! But, my Doge is house money. Still pissed, I had a profit over $100k. I didn't want to pay taxes which fucked my reasoning.

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« Reply #9726 on: October 11, 2023, 10:25:49 AM »
Ether Could Hit $8K by End of 2026: Standard Chartered

Emerging uses for the Ethereum network in gaming and tokenization are among the drivers of what could be a 5X gain in ether's price over the next three years, said the bank.

The price of ether (ETH) has the potential to reach $8,000 by the end of 2026 versus its current level just below $1,,600, writes Geoff Kendrick, Head of FX Research, West, and Digital Assets Research at Standard Chartered Bank.

While Ethereum's dominant uses currently are non-fungible tokens (NFTs) and decentralized finance (DeFi), said Kendrick, an evolution towards gaming and tokenization should add "significant demand."

"Importantly, this should provide ‘proof of concept’ examples in which real-world industries come on-chain to exploit the benefits of Ethereum over their existing setups," he added. "We expect significant developments on these fronts by 2025-26."

In the shorter term, said Kendrick, the bitcoin (BTC) halving in April 2024 "should help lift all boats," and he sees ether hitting $4,000 by the end of next year.

Looking even longer into the future, Kendrick sees the $8,000 level as "a stepping stone" to the bank's "structural" valuation estimate of $26,000-$35,000.

https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2023/10/11/ether-could-hit-8k-by-end-of-2026-standard-chartered/

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« Reply #9727 on: October 11, 2023, 10:57:26 PM »
Ether Could Hit $8K by End of 2026: Standard Chartered

Emerging uses for the Ethereum network in gaming and tokenization are among the drivers of what could be a 5X gain in ether's price over the next three years, said the bank.

The price of ether (ETH) has the potential to reach $8,000 by the end of 2026 versus its current level just below $1,,600, writes Geoff Kendrick, Head of FX Research, West, and Digital Assets Research at Standard Chartered Bank.

While Ethereum's dominant uses currently are non-fungible tokens (NFTs) and decentralized finance (DeFi), said Kendrick, an evolution towards gaming and tokenization should add "significant demand."

"Importantly, this should provide ‘proof of concept’ examples in which real-world industries come on-chain to exploit the benefits of Ethereum over their existing setups," he added. "We expect significant developments on these fronts by 2025-26."

In the shorter term, said Kendrick, the bitcoin (BTC) halving in April 2024 "should help lift all boats," and he sees ether hitting $4,000 by the end of next year.

Looking even longer into the future, Kendrick sees the $8,000 level as "a stepping stone" to the bank's "structural" valuation estimate of $26,000-$35,000.

https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2023/10/11/ether-could-hit-8k-by-end-of-2026-standard-chartered/
BTC LATE 2017 ATH: +/- $19,500
BTC LATE 2021 ATH: +/- $68,700
68,700 / 19,500 = 3.52

ETH EARLY 2018 ATH: +/- $1,350
ETH LATE 2021 ATH: +/- $4,896
4,896 / 1,350 = 3.62

Both BTC and ETH had a +/- 3.5x increase between bull market tops. If we assume another 3.5x move for BTC and 3.62 move for ETH from the last top we get:

BTC LATE 2025 ATH: +/- $240,450
ETH LATE 2025 ATH: +/- $17,700

I personally would like to see ETH @ $20,000, or 1/12 of BTC. This would place ETH at +/- BTC's ATH price in 2017. Many thought ETH would have reached that price in 2021/2022, placing ETH one cycle behind BTC. I know it's not that simple. BTC and ETH have different supplies, and there are many other factors affecting the market caps.

In a bull market, ETH will burn at a much faster rate, which could push the price even higher.

There's also the issue of diminishing returns. And the uncertainty of the dollar, legislation, wars, etc.

BTC went 20x from the 2014 to 2017 ATH tops. And ETH did a 1350X from 2015 to 2018 - lol!

These numbers I posted could all be bullshit. Who knows what it's going to do - haha! What if the USA declares owning crypto illegal as they did with Gold during the Great Depression? They offer a buyout. Then once they have horded most of the crypto, they allow the public to get back into it. This all happened before with Gold.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102

Executive Order 6102 is an executive order signed on April 5, 1933, by US President Franklin D. Roosevelt "forbidding the hoarding of gold coin, gold bullion, and gold certificates within the continental United States." The executive order was made under the authority of the Trading with the Enemy Act of 1917, as amended by the Emergency Banking Act in March 1933.

The limitation on gold ownership in the United States was repealed after President Gerald Ford signed a bill legalizing private ownership of gold coins, bars, and certificates by an Act of Congress, codified in Pub. L.Tooltip Public Law (United States) 93–373,[1] which went into effect December 31, 1974.

Rationale

The stated reason for the order was that hard times had caused "hoarding" of gold, stalling economic growth and worsening the depression as the US was then using the gold standard for its currency.[2][3]

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #9728 on: October 11, 2023, 11:11:01 PM »
https://dailyhodl.com/2023/07/29/ethereum-could-explode-by-up-to-1556-in-an-ai-powered-economy-says-arthur-hayes-heres-the-timeline/

Ethereum Could Explode by Up to 1,556% in an AI-Powered Economy, Says Arthur Hayes – Here’s the Timeline

BitMEX co-founder Arthur Hayes says the price of Ethereum (ETH) stands to benefit immensely from artificial intelligence (AI) technology.

Painting a scenario where AI applications create decentralized autonomous organizations (DAOs) in order to execute smart contracts, Hayes says in a new blog post that Ethereum is the logical base of such a scenario since it is the most widely used decentralized virtual machine.

According to Hayes, the tokens issued by the AI DAOs will trade on decentralized exchanges (DEXs), and mostly those built on top of Ethereum.

“A DEX is naturally suited to support the trading of any type of equity, debt, utility, participation, etc. token issued by an AI-powered DAO…

DAOs will fundraise and issue tokens on-chain. A plethora of new DAO tokens will trade on DEXs.

As DAOs capture more economic value than companies, DEXs will trade more than traditional CEXs.

I believe the largest driver of on-chain activity will be an explosion of trading volume on DEXs hosted on Ethereum.”



The BitMEX founder says that if the above scenario plays out as he envisions, Ethereum could run up to 1,556%, from its current price of $1,875 to hit $31,063 if the DEX trading volumes were to reach 20% of traditional stock exchange volumes recorded in 2022.

Hayes says Ethereum could reach a five-figure price about half a decade from now.

“Given the market is forward-looking, I want to guestimate the percentage that will be reached 5 years into the future. I am not concerned about getting this number exactly right. I want to be directionally correct and profit as the narrative shifts from “won’t happen” to “might happen”.

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« Reply #9729 on: October 12, 2023, 03:18:46 AM »
Bullish Price predications in this market  when ethereum has so little activity going on that it's become inflationary  ???

I'm giving it 6 to 8 weeks with ETH maybe hitting 1200 or lower, ALTs breaking down further then I'll start buying some lottery tickets for the next bull run.

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« Reply #9730 on: October 12, 2023, 06:00:38 AM »
Its actually BTC which will do well in an AI world. BTC will be the base layer, and bots and AI systems will use sats as a protocol on layers above BTC, with BTC being the core global store of value in the digital world.

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« Reply #9731 on: October 12, 2023, 11:51:26 AM »
Bullish Price predications in this market  when ethereum has so little activity going on that it's become inflationary  ???

I'm giving it 6 to 8 weeks with ETH maybe hitting 1200 or lower, ALTs breaking down further then I'll start buying some lottery tickets for the next bull run.
Should you buy when nobody is talking about it or when everyone is talking about it? Kind of like the saying buy when it is red and sell when it is green. Kennedy sold his stock and avoided the stock market crash when the shoeshine boy told him to buy Hindenburg stock.

https://www.4investors.eu/post/the-shoeshine-boy-indicator

Looking at the headlines, there's FUD from JP Morgan about Ethereum. Every other YouTube channel is talking about Bitcoin this, Bitcoin that. And even then ETH is holding above $1,500. BTC also has the halving and Spot ETF narrative giving it a push. It's got a bigger market cap though. Smaller cryptos will pump more in a bull market. ETH will likely outperform BTC and Solana will likely outperform ETH. Don't forget Doge, SHIBA and some of the other smaller market caps. Yes, they will dump hard, but they will rise fast also.

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« Reply #9732 on: October 12, 2023, 01:27:26 PM »
https://dailyhodl.com/2023/07/29/ethereum-could-explode-by-up-to-1556-in-an-ai-powered-economy-says-arthur-hayes-heres-the-timeline/

Ethereum Could Explode by Up to 1,556% in an AI-Powered Economy, Says Arthur Hayes – Here’s the Timeline

“Given the market is forward-looking, I want to guestimate the percentage that will be reached 5 years into the future. I am not concerned about getting this number exactly right. I want to be directionally correct and profit as the narrative shifts from “won’t happen” to “might happen”.

Ahhh yes, the guy who used to run the stops of his customers on his exchange.

Inside 6yrs most will be nuked in crypto.

I would support the idea of a decade long rally on BTC 2030-2040. Before then, no way because we are in an upward rates cycle which is bad for metals.

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« Reply #9733 on: October 12, 2023, 01:47:28 PM »
Its actually BTC which will do well in an AI world. BTC will be the base layer, and bots and AI systems will use sats as a protocol on layers above BTC, with BTC being the core global store of value in the digital world.
Well Bitcoin better get some quality developers onboard. It's lagging behind Ethereum and Solana. It takes a lot of developers to make that happen, and it is way behind.

https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/10/11/bitcoin-might-get-ethereum-style-smart-contracts-under-bitvm-plan/

BitVM's limitations

Linus' proposal triggered a slew of responses on X, with commentators quick to point out BitVM's limitations.

Pseudonymous bitcoin writer Shinobi pointed out that the cost of off-chain data management is "massive," adding that the protocol only involving two parties - the prover and the verifier - is also a "big limitation."

Bob Bodily, CEO of Ordinals marketplace Bioniq, wrote in a post on X that BitVM is "like a very early limited version of the Ethereum Virtual Machine (EVM)."

"BitVM is an amazing breakthrough because while there are many gaping holes right now in the BitVM, they are mostly solvable," he said. "Over the next few months I expect many of these holes to get filled in, at which point we will have more capable Bitcoin script without a Bitcoin upgrade."
Bitcoin Smart Contracts

Attempts to implement smart contract capabilities in the Bitcoin network are of course not new. For some time, Bitcoin developers have been attempting to find ways round the network's limitations due to its simpler scripting language compared to blockchains like Ethereum or Solana.

Regarding Bitcoin's L2:

https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2020/02/20/bitcoins-lightning-network-is-growing-increasingly-centralized-researchers-find/

Bitcoin's Lightning Network Is Growing 'Increasingly Centralized,' Researchers Find
Bitcoin's lightning network is growing "increasingly centralized," making it more susceptible to attacks, asserts a new paper by security researchers.


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« Reply #9734 on: October 12, 2023, 01:51:52 PM »
Ahhh yes, the guy who used to run the stops of his customers on his exchange.

Inside 6yrs most will be nuked in crypto.

I would support the idea of a decade long rally on BTC 2030-2040. Before then, no way because we are in an upward rates cycle which is bad for metals.
Don't you think it's possible we have entered bearish euphoria? Bears are becoming more and more cocky.

https://www.reddit.com/r/amcstock/comments/16bs2uz/bearish_euphoria/?rdt=54083

Bearish Euphoria
APES UNITED 🦍💪🏻

It's a real thing.

The stock can never go to ath again, its just not possible.

That's what they think down here. Much like how at the top bullish euphoria leads people to believe stocks can't go "down to those levels again!"

Thing is we've seen all the bs, the manipulation, the fud, the complicit regulators.

We've also seen madoffs scheme collapse, we've seen the sub prime collapse and many other instances where moments eventually correct themselves.

We got this.

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« Reply #9735 on: October 12, 2023, 04:08:11 PM »
Don't you think it's possible we have entered bearish euphoria? Bears are becoming more and more cocky.

https://www.reddit.com/r/amcstock/comments/16bs2uz/bearish_euphoria/?rdt=54083

Bearish Euphoria
APES UNITED 🦍💪🏻

It's a real thing.

The stock can never go to ath again, its just not possible.


Bearish euphoria was back when I bought at 17.5k.

Bearish feeling does not determine the next peak price.

I have 76k next ATH. Gurus have around 500k. Gurus get 99% utterly destroyed.

In my social media feeds I have:
Equities bearish like crazy
Property bearish like crazy
USD collapsing
Crypto bullish Q4 massive rally everybody will miss out on, halving, ETF etc

Make that that what you will

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« Reply #9736 on: October 13, 2023, 06:10:32 AM »
Well Bitcoin better get some quality developers onboard. It's lagging behind Ethereum and Solana. It takes a lot of developers to make that happen, and it is way behind.

https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/10/11/bitcoin-might-get-ethereum-style-smart-contracts-under-bitvm-plan/

BitVM's limitations

Linus' proposal triggered a slew of responses on X, with commentators quick to point out BitVM's limitations.

Pseudonymous bitcoin writer Shinobi pointed out that the cost of off-chain data management is "massive," adding that the protocol only involving two parties - the prover and the verifier - is also a "big limitation."

Bob Bodily, CEO of Ordinals marketplace Bioniq, wrote in a post on X that BitVM is "like a very early limited version of the Ethereum Virtual Machine (EVM)."

"BitVM is an amazing breakthrough because while there are many gaping holes right now in the BitVM, they are mostly solvable," he said. "Over the next few months I expect many of these holes to get filled in, at which point we will have more capable Bitcoin script without a Bitcoin upgrade."
Bitcoin Smart Contracts

Attempts to implement smart contract capabilities in the Bitcoin network are of course not new. For some time, Bitcoin developers have been attempting to find ways round the network's limitations due to its simpler scripting language compared to blockchains like Ethereum or Solana.

Regarding Bitcoin's L2:

https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2020/02/20/bitcoins-lightning-network-is-growing-increasingly-centralized-researchers-find/

Bitcoin's Lightning Network Is Growing 'Increasingly Centralized,' Researchers Find
Bitcoin's lightning network is growing "increasingly centralized," making it more susceptible to attacks, asserts a new paper by security researchers.



Bitcoin has quality developers, and has exactly what was needed for the base layer. That is really all that matters for BTC. As for what sits on top, whether any kind of smart contract protocol, or any other technology making use of BTC, this will be taken care of by capitalism, economics, human imagination, and natural selection.

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« Reply #9737 on: October 13, 2023, 06:24:37 AM »
So far BTC and ETH have been by far my worst investment in 20+ years of investing.  Good thing I invested only 1% of my net worth in crypto.

By far my best investments have been US stock index funds: S&P 500 index, Russell 1000 index, and best of all VTSAX.

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« Reply #9738 on: October 13, 2023, 02:50:24 PM »
So far BTC and ETH have been by far my worst investment in 20+ years of investing.  Good thing I invested only 1% of my net worth in crypto.

By far my best investments have been US stock index funds: S&P 500 index, Russell 1000 index, and best of all VTSAX.


Dont you touch it for another 10 years then check back.

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« Reply #9739 on: October 13, 2023, 02:54:41 PM »
Bitcoin has quality developers, and has exactly what was needed for the base layer. That is really all that matters for BTC. As for what sits on top, whether any kind of smart contract protocol, or any other technology making use of BTC, this will be taken care of by capitalism, economics, human imagination, and natural selection.
lol!

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« Reply #9740 on: October 13, 2023, 03:10:56 PM »


Dont you touch it for another 10 years then check back.

Or even wait another 1 or 2 years.

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« Reply #9741 on: October 13, 2023, 11:42:25 PM »
Ferrari to accept crypto as payment for its cars in the US

Ferrari has started to accept payment in cryptocurrency for its luxury sports cars in the U.S. and will extend the scheme to Europe following requests from its wealthy customers, its marketing and commercial chief told Reuters.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ferrari-accept-crypto-payment-its-cars-us-2023-10-14/#:~:text=MILAN%2C%20Oct%2014%20(Reuters),and%20commercial%20chief%20told%20Reuters.

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« Reply #9742 on: October 20, 2023, 02:58:09 AM »
OK GETBIGGERS, I AM CALLING IT. THE NEXT CYCLE (now to end of 2025) HAS STARTED. AND ITS GOING TO BE EPIC.

I HAVE SAID IT MANY TIMES. THE CHANCES OF BECOMING A WHOLECOINER (IF YOU ARE NOT ONE) WILL GET LOWER BY THE DAY. SECURE YOUR FUTURE AND START SACKING SATS.

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« Reply #9743 on: October 20, 2023, 06:42:01 AM »
Motto to live by at this present moment: "scared money don't make money."

Ignore the bears right now or you will enter the market late.

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« Reply #9744 on: October 20, 2023, 07:51:09 AM »
OK GETBIGGERS, I AM CALLING IT. THE NEXT CYCLE (now to end of 2025) HAS STARTED.

And how do you get to that conclusion, you financial expert? :D

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« Reply #9745 on: October 20, 2023, 08:26:03 AM »
Well, I'm not much of a fan of technical indicators, but it would pretty obvious that on basic technical alone we are on an upward phase and through the last bear cycle.

Beyond that there are many major drivers at play which are super bullish for BTC demand.

-Conflict in various parts of the world leading to a demand for assets which are fixed in supply, easily divisible, and transferable across boarders.

-Inflation in many parts of the world, devaluing fiat currencies at a noticeable rate.

-Increasing education and awareness among our citizens as to why a global, uncensorable, uncorruptable, secure, digital, store of value and money, perfectly limited in supply, and decentralized, is so so important into the future we are heading.
 
-Numerous US BTC ETF's poised for approval for some of the largest funds in the world, which will result in hundreds of Billions of fund inflows into this asset class.

-Increasing understand and regulatory and technical and philosophical and economic understanding as to the difference betwen Bitcoin and "cryptos".

- The 2024 halvening due in around 6 months.

-The increasingly obviousness that the US will (and has almost no choice but to) embark on greater money printing than ever before.

-Ai increasingly making use of BTC as a base layer store of value.

-Countries globally looking to increase income taxes.

...all of which, when you combine with even just a slight increase of demand for this very unique limited in supply  asset class, will lead to a MASSIVE upward movement once FOMO takes hold (which will gradually build up and then abruptly take hold and explode in a positive loop upward price cycle).

Oh, and major financial players coming out strongly in support of Bitcoin as the supreme asset class, different and better than all others. Here is a good example, an interview with Fidelity.

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« Reply #9746 on: October 20, 2023, 09:29:51 AM »
sounds risky, ill invest my money in an old hardcore cellar gym rather.

Price was $245 per coin when this was posted. What we can see in hindsight is that is was not risky to buy Bitcoin (provided you just simply HODL'd, and indeed rather it was risky not to buy Bitcoin, given how much the USD has devalued during that time.

Had this dude invested just 20K of his money in Bitcoin a that time, he would now be holding around 2.5 million USD in value.

Good news is that its still early, and anyone coming back here in 10 years will realize the same - that right now is a golden opportunity to acquire Bitcoin.

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« Reply #9747 on: October 20, 2023, 04:18:21 PM »
Price was $245 per coin when this was posted. What we can see in hindsight is that is was not risky to buy Bitcoin (provided you just simply HODL'd, and indeed rather it was risky not to buy Bitcoin, given how much the USD has devalued during that time.

Had this dude invested just 20K of his money in Bitcoin a that time, he would now be holding around 2.5 million USD in value.

Good news is that its still early, and anyone coming back here in 10 years will realize the same - that right now is a golden opportunity to acquire Bitcoin.

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« Reply #9748 on: October 21, 2023, 02:12:07 AM »
Yep - well even we started this trend the price was below 5K. And 100K at that time seemed a really farfetched and distant concept to some, with Mr Anabolic for example using the phrase in an attempt at sarcastic mockery "First 100,000 then to a million!". That phrase may of course soon become yet one more great example of a GetBig- self-owning, when his own quote actually becomes true lol. ;D

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« Reply #9749 on: October 21, 2023, 03:35:27 AM »
Price was $245 per coin when this was posted. What we can see in hindsight is that is was not risky to buy Bitcoin (provided you just simply HODL'd, and indeed rather it was risky not to buy Bitcoin, given how much the USD has devalued during that time.

Had this dude invested just 20K of his money in Bitcoin a that time, he would now be holding around 2.5 million USD in value.

Good news is that its still early, and anyone coming back here in 10 years will realize the same - that right now is a golden opportunity to acquire Bitcoin.
Ethereum had a low price of 42 cents in 2015. The current price is $1,603 / 0.42 = 3,816.66 * $20,000 = $76,333,333 or over $76 million. And that 20K would have been worth over 233 million at Ethereum's ATH price of around $4,900.

People get all excited when Bitcoin moves $1,000, $2,000 or even $5,000. When the price is $30,000 a $5k move is a 16.66% increase.

For Ethereum, a similar move would take it from $1,603 to around $1,870. Only $267 up. Does not sounds as impressive as a $5K increase but it yields the same profit if the same amount of money was invested.

But I agree that Bitcoin will probably front-run Ethereum in the foreseeable future, as it did in 2017 and 2020.

Edit - Another way to calculate:

$20,000 / $0.42 = 47,619.047619047619047619047619048 ETH

47,619.047619047619047619047619048 x 1,603 = $76,333,333 or over $76 million.