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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10000 on: December 27, 2023, 11:11:02 AM »
Majority view by who? This is what I've seen over the years. Not only do you have Mt Gox but all the crypto casinos including FTX paying out creditors next year.

Mt Gox has until October next year to pay out its creditors. If you're looking for some type of major price suppression then it's not coming from this.
Between now and October looks like Saylor  will absorb part of the payout before bull starts.


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Yes, I agree that your opinion is very wrong on BTC not hitting an ATH until 2030. I believe you will be proved wrong sooner rather than later.

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I never said no ATH until 2030, you might be confusing me with someone else.

I have said this next peak will be around 76k and it might happen by end of 2024 to H1 2025.

What I have said is The inflationary cycle we are in is not friendly to the crazy high 1M calls. Once the cycle peaks out in 2032-2034, then I believe we will have the environment which will allow for an actual long run on BTC and that’s when we can probably look at those 200k+ numbers.

The price suppression I have talked about is what prevents these crazy 500k- 1M numbers in 2yrs. Having 140k coins given back to owners is not bullish. If Saylor has to absorb the payout, It leaves no room for him to pump the price….. that is how price suppression works.

I disagree with you that we will hit 500k-1M in this next peak in 18 months. I disagree with anything 100k+ in 18mths.

As for Saylor, there are a number of ‘what if’ he may need to survive these next 8-10yrs.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10001 on: December 27, 2023, 12:48:01 PM »

The 500k-1M in 2yrs crew are checking in :D

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« Reply #10002 on: December 27, 2023, 01:10:17 PM »
???

I never said no ATH until 2030, you might be confusing me with someone else.

I have said this next peak will be around 76k and it might happen by end of 2024 to H1 2025.

What I have said is The inflationary cycle we are in is not friendly to the crazy high 1M calls. Once the cycle peaks out in 2032-2034, then I believe we will have the environment which will allow for an actual long run on BTC and that’s when we can probably look at those 200k+ numbers.

The price suppression I have talked about is what prevents these crazy 500k- 1M numbers in 2yrs. Having 140k coins given back to owners is not bullish. If Saylor has to absorb the payout, It leaves no room for him to pump the price….. that is how price suppression works.

I disagree with you that we will hit 500k-1M in this next peak in 18 months. I disagree with anything 100k+ in 18mths.

As for Saylor, there are a number of ‘what if’ he may need to survive these next 8-10yrs.

I never said 500k-1million and have gone on record numerous times those people spewing those numbers are scammers looking to sell a course or looking for clout. I've said 500k numbers will come in next 10+ years, not blow off top numbers but steady high prices with much smalle4 volatility.

No one is saying it's bullish, it's just not as bearish or price suppressing as you think.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10003 on: December 27, 2023, 02:43:41 PM »
I'd actually like to see what the net worth is of some of the financial wizards in this thread. My guess is NOT MUCH.
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« Reply #10004 on: December 27, 2023, 05:36:50 PM »
Ethereum pushed nicely past $2,400. The ETH rally will be one of the most hated rallies. We have reached peak ETH FUD. Everyone is dogging ETH. It will pump!  ;D

Props to Solana, but note the tech of Solana @ $8 is identical to the tech of Solana at $100. People are saying Solana is the best tech ever because it pumped. When it was $8 many of those same people said it was a scam and crap.

Ivan Tech has a great point. This guy is entertaining to watch. I put his YouTube videos on 1.75x-2.00x and listen while going for a coffee.

Bitcoin and Ethereum will not be the fastest horses in a bull market. Solana will probably outperform both, barring a black swan event or major issue with Solana.




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« Reply #10005 on: December 27, 2023, 05:38:50 PM »
Majority view by who? This is what I've seen over the years. Not only do you have Mt Gox but all the crypto casinos including FTX paying out creditors next year.

Mt Gox has until October next year to pay out its creditors. If you're looking for some type of major price suppression then it's not coming from this.
Between now and October looks like Saylor  will absorb part of the payout before bull starts.


MicroStrategy has acquired an additional 14,620 BTC for ~$615.7 million at an average price of $42,110 per As of 12/26/23,
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Yes, I agree that your opinion is very wrong on BTC not hitting an ATH until 2030. I believe you will be proved wrong sooner rather than later.
I didn't realize that apparently, the US government holds more BTC than MicroStrategy.

https://www.bsc.news/post/microstrategy-grows-bitcoin-holdings-nearing-u-s-government-reserves#:~:text=With%20its%20latest%20Bitcoin%20acquisition,the%20government's%20210%2C429%20Bitcoin%20stash.

With its latest Bitcoin acquisition, MicroStrategy has brought itself within reach of the U.S. government's holdings, now only 20,000 bitcoins away from matching the government's 210,429 Bitcoin stash.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10006 on: December 27, 2023, 05:43:55 PM »
https://cryptoslate.com/anatoly-yakovenko-says-solana-is-ethereum-in-layer-2-scalability-debate/

In a Dec. 25 tweet, Yakovenko playfully suggested that Solana could be considered an Ethereum layer-2 (L2) solution through its Wormhole eigenlayer. This statement was part of a tongue-in-cheek response to a tweet listing various L2 solutions like Arbitrum, Aztec, and Polygon. He quipped:

“Solana is ethereum! Solana is an ethereum L2 through the wormhole eigenlayer. Once danksharding is scaled up no one is going to stop you from submitting all the Solana blocks into some data validating bridge contract on ethereum.”

This playful assertion was meant to ironically juxtapose Solana, a distinct and independent blockchain, with Ethereum’s layer-2 solutions. The mention of a Wormhole eigenlayer and the speculative reference to submitting Solana blocks to Ethereum were part of this jest.

Our initial report, however, presented it seriously and failed to recognize its ironic nature, and thus our coverage suggested that he meant it in earnest. We sincerely apologize for the error and for any confusion caused by our failure to recognize the ironic intent behind it.

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« Reply #10007 on: December 27, 2023, 05:47:39 PM »
So apparently you will be able to have your validators stake Ethereum and Solana at the same time?! This means you could earn yield from both blockchains? Sounds awesome!

https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/08/17/ethereum-restaking-worries-vitalik-buterin-heres-why/

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« Reply #10008 on: December 27, 2023, 08:50:39 PM »
I never said 500k-1million and have gone on record numerous times those people spewing those numbers are scammers looking to sell a course or looking for clout. I've said 500k numbers will come in next 10+ years, not blow off top numbers but steady high prices with much smalle4 volatility.

No one is saying it's bullish, it's just not as bearish or price suppressing as you think.

So put a number on it then.

The next peak inside of 2yrs is what?

If sub 100k is too bearish and price suppressing, what will it be?

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« Reply #10009 on: December 28, 2023, 09:04:02 AM »
I didn't realize that apparently, the US government holds more BTC than MicroStrategy.

https://www.bsc.news/post/microstrategy-grows-bitcoin-holdings-nearing-u-s-government-reserves#:~:text=With%20its%20latest%20Bitcoin%20acquisition,the%20government's%20210%2C429%20Bitcoin%20stash.

With its latest Bitcoin acquisition, MicroStrategy has brought itself within reach of the U.S. government's holdings, now only 20,000 bitcoins away from matching the government's 210,429 Bitcoin stash.

Pretty sure Bulgaria holds 200+ btc aswell.

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« Reply #10010 on: December 28, 2023, 09:10:41 AM »
So put a number on it then.

The next peak inside of 2yrs is what?

If sub 100k is too bearish and price suppressing, what will it be?

As long as it stays over 3k I'm good. Predicting both  price and timeline sure fire way to be wrong and I usually  am. That's why I buy and hold. I did in one of my posts 20/21 say that after the bear market btc will settle down at 50k and that would be its new floor.

After this next blow off top I'm thinking it settles around 70-80k after the bear, for that to happen a 100K+ BTC price at its peak.

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« Reply #10011 on: December 28, 2023, 12:20:36 PM »
Pretty sure Bulgaria holds 200+ btc aswell.
I see. Notice how some governments got their BTC stash by seizing it from others.

I like how the articles claim Bulgaria would become very wealthy - lol! A 200K stash of Bitcoin will only be $200 billion if BTC hits $1 million. That's less than Elon's net worth. Bulgaria would not be wealthy at all. 1 trillion / 1 million = 1 million.

https://beincrypto.com/bulgaria-bitcoin-holdings-make-it-rich/

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« Reply #10012 on: December 28, 2023, 01:06:09 PM »
I see. Notice how some governments got their BTC stash by seizing it from others.

I like how the articles claim Bulgaria would become very wealthy - lol! A 200K stash of Bitcoin will only be $200 billion if BTC hits $1 million. That's less than Elon's net worth. Bulgaria would not be wealthy at all. 1 trillion / 1 million = 1 million.

https://beincrypto.com/bulgaria-bitcoin-holdings-make-it-rich/

With a total debt of 20.6b I'd say that's not bad  and they would be  totally liquid, how long would  it take for Elon to liquidate all his assets, companies and dreams?

It may be a drop in the bucket on a global scale, to a small poverty stricken Eastern European country it's not a bad stash.

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« Reply #10013 on: December 28, 2023, 07:49:23 PM »
As long as it stays over 3k I'm good. Predicting both  price and timeline sure fire way to be wrong and I usually  am. That's why I buy and hold. I did in one of my posts 20/21 say that after the bear market btc will settle down at 50k and that would be its new floor.

After this next blow off top I'm thinking it settles around 70-80k after the bear, for that to happen a 100K+ BTC price at its peak.

So 2021 you would have been thinking of a 170k with a 50k floor. We got 69k /15k.

This coming peak you are going higher with around 265k / 80k if you want that floor to be so high.

Your floor is my ceiling number so we do have at least the number in common. I am reading how the Saudi’s are going to market buy 500B and create a God candle lol. It’s this type of euphoria that makes me think the prices/timing will come earlier than most think.

You also have to ask yourself, who is selling to Saylor 👀

I would absolutely love your ceiling numbers to happen because my alts would skyrocket way higher than I currently imagine.

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« Reply #10014 on: December 28, 2023, 11:18:04 PM »
Let's say the ETF narrative has done what the halving narrative did in the past. That would mean it's a shorter cycle and the bitcoin top probably won't that impressive in terms of multiples from the bottom as it has been in the past.

A Doge god candle in the next few days or weeks would be the last domino confirming we're in an end of cycle/blow off bull run.

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« Reply #10015 on: December 28, 2023, 11:42:17 PM »
Let's say the ETF narrative has done what the halving narrative did in the past. That would mean it's a shorter cycle and the bitcoin top probably won't that impressive in terms of multiples from the bottom as it has been in the past.

A Doge god candle in the next few days or weeks would be the last domino confirming we're in an end of cycle/blow off bull run.

Doge is another confirmation metric I use for timing.

Mar/Apr 2024 possible break of lows which goes upward to a top signal.

FYI I hold Shib because it’s too hard to buy Doge without paying huge gas fees.

**EDIT ETH network is so fucked right now. Paid USD20 in gas fees for a transaction lol 😂 ETH exists due to degenerate alt coins, anyone who likes ETH better pray the govt doesn’t kill off alt coins and self custody otherwise kiss it goodbye.

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« Reply #10016 on: December 29, 2023, 12:34:15 AM »
Doge is another confirmation metric I use for timing.

Mar/Apr 2024 possible break of lows which goes upward to a top signal.

FYI I hold Shib because it’s too hard to buy Doge without paying huge gas fees.

**EDIT ETH network is so fucked right now. Paid USD20 in gas fees for a transaction lol 😂 ETH exists due to degenerate alt coins, anyone who likes ETH better pray the govt doesn’t kill off alt coins and self custody otherwise kiss it goodbye.

I'm willing to take the hit on fees and spreads, loaded up on doge. Worst that can happen from here is it dumps 50% which is nothing in crypto. Gonna add more too if I catch it running. Don't be suprised if we get the Doge god candle on fake news on some joke spot ETF application for it.

I'm more of the belief this run continues with no pull backs until 60k to 70k maybe in March.

Restaking (eigenlayer) and spot ETF hype will probably carry ETH to new highs, but not getting involved with it directly.

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« Reply #10017 on: December 29, 2023, 02:53:59 AM »
If you are going to dabble with alts, I would recommend FIL. Filecoin at least has a genuine utility, actual revenue, and this a calculatable value. We know data storage demands will increase exponentially, and we know data storage will gravitate to the lowest and most efficient cost over time, all things being equal.

Doge is a pure speculation, and as you say, it is just as likely to go up or down. As for going down max 50%, I think it could go down way more. As in 95%. The powers that be are about to destroy the fuck out of alts, and will do a huge amount of public education on the distinction between BTC and alts / Bitcoin not crypto. Musk is a loose cannon who could easily see a backlash. And I suspect his legal advisors have put an end to his Doge shillings.


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« Reply #10018 on: December 29, 2023, 03:23:49 AM »
So 2021 you would have been thinking of a 170k with a 50k floor. We got 69k /15k.

This coming peak you are going higher with around 265k / 80k if you want that floor to be so high.

Your floor is my ceiling number so we do have at least the number in common. I am reading how the Saudi’s are going to market buy 500B and create a God candle lol. It’s this type of euphoria that makes me think the prices/timing will come earlier than most think.

You also have to ask yourself, who is selling to Saylor 👀

I would absolutely love your ceiling numbers to happen because my alts would skyrocket way higher than I currently imagine.

I'm hopeful for a 265k peak at best case scenario/europhoria but what I think is much lower with less of a draw down than the 75% people are anticipating.

I think the shit coins  will follow their  usual 90% drawdowns except possibly ETH.

In terms of your price suppression theory, yeah possible if a recession is announced thr price will ve drawn down over the subsequent months which would follow a bull run into 2025.

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« Reply #10019 on: December 29, 2023, 03:25:32 AM »
Let's say the ETF narrative has done what the halving narrative did in the past. That would mean it's a shorter cycle and the bitcoin top probably won't that impressive in terms of multiples from the bottom as it has been in the past.

A Doge god candle in the next few days or weeks would be the last domino confirming we're in an end of cycle/blow off bull run.

Let's say the ETF does not get approved here is what happened last time with commentary and can expect the same.

https://x.com/RNR_0/status/1740455526478369208?s=20

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« Reply #10020 on: December 29, 2023, 05:38:01 AM »
Let's say the ETF does not get approved here is what happened last time with commentary and can expect the same.

https://x.com/RNR_0/status/1740455526478369208?s=20

A reverse God-candle??? :)

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« Reply #10021 on: December 29, 2023, 07:48:35 PM »
Doge is another confirmation metric I use for timing.

Mar/Apr 2024 possible break of lows which goes upward to a top signal.

FYI I hold Shib because it’s too hard to buy Doge without paying huge gas fees.

**EDIT ETH network is so fucked right now. Paid USD20 in gas fees for a transaction lol 😂 ETH exists due to degenerate alt coins, anyone who likes ETH better pray the govt doesn’t kill off alt coins and self custody otherwise kiss it goodbye.
Don't you have an option to use Polygon for your Ethereum transactions? Here's a video showing how a guy does his ETH / Stable Coin transactions on Binance and Coinbase. His fees drop to $1 with Polygon. I know you're in Australia. But many exchanges now support ETH Layer 2s. A very useful video that gets to the point.



Regarding Solana with its low fees - They are subsidizing the validators. And this inflates the supply of Solana. End users think they are paying close to zero fees on Solana but they are paying for it via inflation. This is similar to how the public pays when dollars are printed and the purchasing power decreases. Someone mentioned that a Solana transaction is around $25 when you factor in the inflation. This sounds a bit high and perhaps my recollection is wrong. However the transactions are not as low in reality.


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« Reply #10022 on: December 29, 2023, 08:01:00 PM »
Massive subsidies to SOL Validators raise questions about crypto-centralization

Solana, a blockchain known for its speed and direct competition with Ethereum, finds itself at the heart of a debate linked to the substantial subsidy of its validators by the Solana Foundation and Alameda Research, the defunct commercial arm associated with FTX.

According to analyst arixon.eth, over 90% of Solana’s validators benefit from massive subsidies from the Solana Foundation and Alameda Research. At first glance, these figures are alarming: out of 1,997 validators, 1,818 are said to have received delegations from these two entities. In total, they delegated 106 million SOL, of which 73 million were distributed by the Foundation and 33 million by Alameda Research.

Validators play an essential role in Solana’s blockchain. They are responsible for validating transactions and adding them to the blockchain. To ensure the network’s security and decentralization, each node must store SOL, and this amount of SOL determines their voting power.

The scale of these subsidies raises questions about the centralization of power within the blockchain. Arixon.eth suggests that without these “heavy incentives”, the number of Solana validator nodes would be much lower.

More worryingly, a notable number of nodes seem to be left behind, without delegations from the standard SOL holders, raising the question of the disproportionate influence of two entities on the network.

In highlighting these considerable subsidies, arixon.eth warns of the risk of Solana’s centralization under the hegemony of two predominant players. This, it argues, could potentially undermine the long-term value of SOLs and pose a critical dilemma for the decentralized robustness of the network.



Funding for stability or manipulation?

Faced with these allegations, Anatoly Yakovenko, co-founder of Solana, stepped in to clarify the situation. According to him, although some 2,000 validators secure the network, it is their votes, and not their respective participation, that are essential to the network’s security and stability.

Every time a node withdraws from SOL, its voting power diminishes, forcing the network to rely on other validators to maintain decentralization and security.

The question of centralization is a hot topic in the crypto world. While Solana benefits from substantial funding from two major entities, this raises legitimate questions about the network’s true decentralization.

However, one question remains: can the current model, criticized for its tendency towards centralization, ensure the network’s long-term stability and security, or does the Solana blockchain need to revise its delegation strategy to preserve the integrity of its decentralized architecture?

The revelation of exorbitant subsidies to validators is prompting the crypto community to re-examine blockchain governance structures and business models, and to question the delicate balance between incentives and decentralization.

https://www.cointribune.com/en/crypto-alameda-tire-les-ficelles-la-centralisation-secrete-de-solana-devoilee-2/#:~:text=According%20to%20analyst%20arixon.,delegations%20from%20these%20two%20entities.

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« Reply #10023 on: December 29, 2023, 08:06:48 PM »
https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/18topt8/as_of_december_2023_every_user_transaction_on_the/

Solana supply is up 15.4% this year. Not 5.6% as claimed. Seems like Solana inflates more than the USD?!

https://messari.io/project/solana/charts/supply

427 million / 370 million = 1.154

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« Reply #10024 on: December 30, 2023, 03:09:14 AM »
I'm more of the belief this run continues with no pull backs until 60k to 70k maybe in March.

If ETF approval is April I wouldn’t be surprised to see it run up to its peak. Would wreck everybody.

Plus I’m not big on DXY going down for 1-2yrs, i believe the down timeframes are very small windows and that’s when we would see crypto peaks.


Doge is a pure speculation, and as you say, it is just as likely to go up or down. As for going down max 50%, I think it could go down way more. As in 95%. The powers that be are about to destroy the fuck out of alts, and will do a huge amount of public education on the distinction between BTC and alts / Bitcoin not crypto.

US Banning personal custody is coming for BTC and all other coins. The eUSD is coming in 2024 so stables will get killed and we know a Tether collapse will slaughter everyone in yields.

It’s an unfortunate scenario where for BTC to move ahead it likely means nuking itself.

Don't you have an option to use Polygon for your Ethereum transactions? Here's a video showing how a guy does his ETH / Stable Coin transactions on Binance and Coinbase. His fees drop to $1 with Polygon. I know you're in Australia. But many exchanges now support ETH Layer 2s. A very useful video that gets to the point.



Regarding Solana with its low fees - They are subsidizing the validators. And this inflates the supply of Solana. End users think they are paying close to zero fees on Solana but they are paying for it via inflation. This is similar to how the public pays when dollars are printed and the purchasing power decreases. Someone mentioned that a Solana transaction is around $25 when you factor in the inflation. This sounds a bit high and perhaps my recollection is wrong. However the transactions are not as low in reality.



I use Metamask wallet to Uniswap or oneinch on ETH network.

Honestly crypto is a fucking mess. People can dream up all sorts of wild numbers but after 4yrs it still costs USD20 to send $1. It’s all dead in the water, you’ll see ETH obliterated once the wallets are banned.

Gib will be right about  BTC but he might have to wear a draw down to 6k at some point so it’ll be a bitter sweet victory. Spend a decade arguing over a crypto only to see it worth less than your buy price and you might wait a decade just to get above water again.

Remember my comparison for gold and Silver HoDLeRs. I played in metals back in 2011. I got out at USD43 silver and it’s at USD24 a decade later……. Bitcoin maxis will learn the true meaning of HoDLe just like metal bugs have known for decades.