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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10101 on: January 08, 2024, 02:02:04 PM »
About to pass though 47,000, next target 48K.

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« Reply #10102 on: January 08, 2024, 02:29:26 PM »

Bitcoin has continued new supply out to 2140. Bitcoin is divisible down to 8 decimal places. I will use sandpit maths and basic assumptions in the below but my workings ring true in the theme I outline.

We can say gold is a fixed form of measurement in ounces but production influences floating supply and with Bitcoin we have a capped 21M of which supply is inbound for 120yrs but it is divisible in it’s base size measurement.

In other words being divisible to 8 decimal places is equivalent to having production changes. Ie divisible = future supply giving us a total available supply of 13 numerical places (5+8) + 120yrs of new production.

The argument from maxis that is 21M = 21M. However 1BTC has 100M satoshis so the supply is 21M x 100M. Using sandpits maths with huge assumptions,  at peak adoption which is 1% own 45% of global wealth, we get 80M people owning around 8M Bitcoins. Today 8M Bitcoins is owned by roughly 0.002M people which has us at 0.000025% of the peak adoption.

Some will look at that adoption and think they are early. The problem is we have 2,000 people at the top end when we need 80,000,000 which requires the same 8,000,000 to be diluted over and over and over until we achieve that spread. If you want price to continually go up it’s a question of can the dilution of Ownership outpace its divisible nature and desirability.

This gets to why I can see the possibility for lower lows set in the future. At 80M people peak adoption it’s 10BTC per person in the top 1%. Saylor has 120,000……  yes I realise the numbers aren’t exact but hopefully you get my point.

It Doesn’t mean it can’t happen but adoption at the top end adoption is a real fucking problem right now.  Stop looking at Saylor buying and start asking who the hell is selling. Multiple sellers dumping on Saylor = inverse adoption.






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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10103 on: January 08, 2024, 02:40:49 PM »
It's about to get spot ETF approval.

Over the next 6 months you will be bombarded with BTC ETF advertising and financial news outlets will be trying to put the idea into your head that now might be a good time to look at buying bitcoin. People are front running this.

48.4K is the Fib so we are getting close now, might need to go towards 50k to trap everyone.

Perhaps BTC peak in Feb, ETH peak in Mar and a nasty retrace.


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« Reply #10104 on: January 08, 2024, 05:42:31 PM »
To tie my short novel above into why Saylor is a total Degenerate who will be nuked, he is soaking up people dumping on him by issuing shares and sending the price up which allows issuing of more shares to soak up more dumping. He successfully built the self funding infinite energy machine.

Where are the other big buyers? Why after 4yrs are we still relying on Saylor buying? We should have another 10,000 Sailors right now. Hell, even Tesla dumped but where is their replacement?

The S&P PE ratio peaked at 47 during the Dotcom, it peaked at 123 for the GFC. MSTR currently sits at 590, is the 3rd largest BTC holder and its operation is buying BTC to make the price go up so it can issue shares to buy BTC and make the price go up.

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« Reply #10105 on: January 09, 2024, 07:31:55 AM »
Saylor won. He is King Degen

ETF approval tomorrow and they start trading Thursday (unverified)

58K btc soon?

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« Reply #10106 on: January 09, 2024, 09:35:39 AM »
To tie my short novel above into why Saylor is a total Degenerate who will be nuked, he is soaking up people dumping on him by issuing shares and sending the price up which allows issuing of more shares to soak up more dumping. He successfully built the self funding infinite energy machine.

Where are the other big buyers? Why after 4yrs are we still relying on Saylor buying? We should have another 10,000 Sailors right now. Hell, even Tesla dumped but where is their replacement?

The S&P PE ratio peaked at 47 during the Dotcom, it peaked at 123 for the GFC. MSTR currently sits at 590, is the 3rd largest BTC holder and its operation is buying BTC to make the price go up so it can issue shares to buy BTC and make the price go up.

A few quick comments.

Saylor is an absolute legend.

What his doing is entirely appropriate. Anyone (and any could have borrowed (devaluing) money, and purchased (appreciating) Bitcoin. Indeed, this is the role of capital - to efficiently allocate to ensure it is best preserved and/or produces the greatest return. He was entirely transparent about this at all times, and any shareholder who didn't like this move was free to sell (and those that did now regret it big time).

Further, when you have the underlying income-producing part of the business overvalued (by my calculation by around 30%), it again is the right thing to do, to issue shares, and then make use of that money to benefit shareholders by putting it to better use to create value, which is exactly what he is doing.

MSTR owns around 0.7% of all BTC ever issued, which is a shitload - good on them, they moved fast and decisively. He is also a great advocate for BTC, which at the same time is of great benefit to his sharehodlers.

Again, any company could have (and still can) adopt a similar strategy. Indeed thousands of companies are already buying BTC as a reserve asset, and the real big boys in finance (who move much slower) are about to get started doing so, as over time, will sovereign wealth funds. So, this party is just getting started. If BTC continues this progression in adoption, the value of BTC in a decade will be mind-blowing. (I urge anyone to become a whole-coiner if they still can).

Tesla I suspect will move directly into BTC mining (you heard it here first). A typical Musk move, for numerous reasons.

As for MSTR, don't let the PE distract you. The BTC EFT's by comparison will have zero "E".  That MSTR has any E at all in simply a function of their data analytics biz compared to their overall assets they hold (which is of course the BTC). So I would expect that PE to continue to increase over time.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10107 on: January 09, 2024, 01:33:50 PM »
Saylor won. He is King Degen

ETF approval tomorrow and they start trading Thursday (unverified)

58K btc soon?

Yeah a big pump over 50k would be nice.

ETH Target is somewhere around 3000. Same return as BTC. Bottom price should have been 250 instead of 950 but that was the result of the frontrun. Instead of 12x it’s a 3x.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10108 on: January 09, 2024, 02:57:49 PM »
Honest question. Who here is a Bitcoin millionaire?

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« Reply #10109 on: January 09, 2024, 03:00:51 PM »
A few quick comments.

Saylor is an absolute legend.

What his doing is entirely appropriate. Anyone (and any could have borrowed (devaluing) money, and purchased (appreciating) Bitcoin. Indeed, this is the role of capital - to efficiently allocate to ensure it is best preserved and/or produces the greatest return. He was entirely transparent about this at all times, and any shareholder who didn't like this move was free to sell (and those that did now regret it big time).

Further, when you have the underlying income-producing part of the business overvalued (by my calculation by around 30%), it again is the right thing to do, to issue shares, and then make use of that money to benefit shareholders by putting it to better use to create value, which is exactly what he is doing.

MSTR owns around 0.7% of all BTC ever issued, which is a shitload - good on them, they moved fast and decisively. He is also a great advocate for BTC, which at the same time is of great benefit to his sharehodlers.

Again, any company could have (and still can) adopt a similar strategy. Indeed thousands of companies are already buying BTC as a reserve asset, and the real big boys in finance (who move much slower) are about to get started doing so, as over time, will sovereign wealth funds. So, this party is just getting started. If BTC continues this progression in adoption, the value of BTC in a decade will be mind-blowing. (I urge anyone to become a whole-coiner if they still can).

Tesla I suspect will move directly into BTC mining (you heard it here first). A typical Musk move, for numerous reasons.

As for MSTR, don't let the PE distract you. The BTC EFT's by comparison will have zero "E".  That MSTR has any E at all in simply a function of their data analytics biz compared to their overall assets they hold (which is of course the BTC). So I would expect that PE to continue to increase over time.

You see that -20% whack to the MSTR share price right now? Dude, That was Saylor dumping his own MSTR shares on everybody 😂…… #visionary #HoDL #soearly

MSTR bought Bitcoin first with cash, then raised 2 share maturities which are currently underwater, then raised debt at junk bond interest rates, now issue new shares to buy Bitcoin. A business based on the price of BTC with a model that has raised annual debt the last 3yrs to buy Bitcoin to pump the price of which they are on their 4th and final method of capital raising.

A legend indeed. Blows it up in Dotcom. Has no salary or bonus since then. Just as his last capital raising method gets exhausted and BTC nears a peak, he exercises all his share options and dumps the lot on everybody 🤣

You’ll see it unfold in the next bear market. $150 won’t hold and he knows he has fucked the share price.


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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10110 on: January 09, 2024, 03:03:57 PM »
Honest question. Who here is a Bitcoin millionaire?
A lot of dreamers in this thread. Unlikely that even one has even close to a million.
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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10111 on: January 09, 2024, 04:23:31 PM »
A million pesos maybe.

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« Reply #10112 on: January 09, 2024, 05:24:17 PM »
A lot of dreamers in this thread. Unlikely that even one has even close to a million.

I figured even if I bought then years ago for $1 I probably would have sold at $100. 

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10113 on: January 09, 2024, 05:44:08 PM »
Honest question. Who here is a Bitcoin millionaire?

Didn't you know? This is the cycle  maxis become hectar millionaires.


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« Reply #10114 on: January 09, 2024, 06:07:41 PM »
Honest question. Who here is a Bitcoin millionaire?

gib is the only one I think.

Some dude (not aobsidian) came on here back in 2021 and said he had 750k in Doge and I believe from there price doubled and he was holding. Even if he dumped at lows he would still have a couple hundred grand.

I have $100 invested in ‘spastic’.

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« Reply #10115 on: January 10, 2024, 02:24:36 AM »
gib is the only one I think.


Lol, well yes there is me. But there must be quite a few others. I am sure there are some who just don't wish to disclose. This thread started when BTC was around USD 4.5K, so we have 10x'd since then. So anyone who had more than 100K invested in Sats at that time and simply hodl'd would be a BTC millionaire.

In my immediate circle of closest friends, 5 of 6 are BTC millionaires also. (And one is a non-coiner yet to be converted, despite our best efforts). In my broader circle of friends, numerous others are also BTC millionaire.

My strong advice to anyone here, is GET TO ONE COIN NOW, WHILE YOU STILL CAN.

And if you can't get to one coin, and least get off zero and start stacking.

Anyone who can get a coin now at 45K, (which may seem "expensive") will appear like one of the greatest investments of all time in a decade to come.

The next 12 hours is a crucial window, and I expect some volatility over the next 3 months (both up and down), but again, my advice is buy now within the next 12 hours , and then either way buy hard over the next 6 months. This next phase is going to be fun, and everyone here still has a chance to be part of it and front-run the real power-players of global finance.


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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10116 on: January 10, 2024, 02:41:27 AM »
Honest question. Who here is a Bitcoin millionaire?

I believe Dr Goodrum did exceptionally well in bitcoin.

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« Reply #10117 on: January 10, 2024, 02:41:39 AM »
Lol@ the SEC. Hilarious couple of hours last night. Literally laughed myself to sleep.

Market has shown its hand though. Spot ETF announcement was sell the news and roll into ETH ecosystem. ETH maxis breathing a huge sigh of relief (so am I as Arbitrum is a huge long term play for me)

Short term sell the news people surely got this wrong as ETF inflows don't appear to be priced in. Either way everything still looks good to continue running.

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« Reply #10118 on: January 10, 2024, 02:45:53 AM »
Lol, well yes there is me. But there must me quite a few others (many they just don't wish to disclose). This thread started when BTC was around USD 4.5K, so we have 10x'd since then.

Price of BTC was around $250 when this thread started (thread title got changed at $5k) so it's more like a x180

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« Reply #10119 on: January 10, 2024, 02:56:07 AM »
So let me get this straight... I am a dick because I say blipcoin is a Ponzi bubble mania, with no fundamentals, no intrinsic value whatsoever and had a parabolic rise based on the greater fool principle?

I call things how I see them.  I don't want people here to get their face ripped off buying into the biggest maniacal Ponzi bubble in history. 

Why are you so threatened by me?   

Buy some silver and be patient.  That's free advice.

Mr Anabolic's advice didn't work out too well...

Our resident financial expert elder, attempted to protect GetBigger's from the evils of BTC when it was around the 3K mark to help stop them from "getting their face ripped off" and put them instead into gold and silver, which have of course both performed appallingly compared to BTC since that time. :-*

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« Reply #10120 on: January 10, 2024, 02:57:23 AM »
I believe Dr Goodrum did exceptionally well in bitcoin.

He was indeed an early visionary. However, as far as I know, he sold way way early on too. He was a man ahead of his time...

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« Reply #10121 on: January 10, 2024, 02:59:41 AM »
Price of BTC was around $250 when this thread started (thread title got changed at $5k) so it's more like a x180

True - good point.

PS - I was the original OG who started and actually named this thread " Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!. However, yes there were many prior discussions, and even this thread was merged with an older thread I believe (done by Ron?), which is why you don't see me as the first poster.

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« Reply #10122 on: January 10, 2024, 03:04:12 AM »
Really fun reading back at this thread. Fascinating to see all the objections and self-bargaining and doubt and confusion and FUD and denials etc throughout the years. One of my intentions was to capture, for historical analysis, the mindset and mental issues that come from a diverse range of society grappling with a new financial tool for future historians to look back on. I think we have done a great job there.

And Mr Anabolic in particular just provided so much perfect material capturing the zeitgeit and absolute mental anguish of a no-coiner trying to come to terms with BTC. For him, by the way, there will be a special post from me once we breach 100K.

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« Reply #10123 on: January 10, 2024, 03:11:39 AM »
True - good point.

PS - I was the original OG who started and actually named this thread " Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!. However, yes there were many prior discussions, and even this thread was merged with an older thread I believe (done by Ron?), which is why you don't see me as the first poster.

Yeah a few older threads got merged. This was your original thread post just before $5k.

Hope all u guys got some. You will be able to retire and just chill and train if they ever get to 100k per coin.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10124 on: January 10, 2024, 04:21:02 AM »

Which one of you is dumping Shib and not letting me get my pump on?