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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10600 on: March 29, 2024, 12:47:30 PM »
Tokenized Treasuries passed $1 billion. 63% of that is on Ethereum. Blackrock's BUIDL sits at $274.8 million after 8 days. Franklin Templeton's $FOBXX has a market cap of $360 million after 388 days. $FOBXX is on EThereum L2 Polygon and Stellar.

$8.8 million has been allocated on Solana.

https://app.rwa.xyz/treasuries


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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10601 on: March 30, 2024, 02:45:00 AM »
ETH is gonna be fine whatever happens. You'll get 10K minimum either this year or next.

ETF with staking is the most bullish scenario, but unlikely to be approved.
ETF without staking keeps things ticking along. Looks the most likely.
No ETF will cause an ETH sell off, but the dip will be bought hard and ETH still has plenty of other bullish catalysts

Doge did pretty well recently, but it looks like VCs and WS degens have chosen PEPE and WIF as this cycles memecoins. I got on WIF early and it's already x8 and still hasn't been listed on tier 1 exchanges. If you have any SOL on the network roll it into WIF. It will outperform it by multiples.

WIF is up x6 in a month since this post. I'm now up x45

I was told I would be crying for not buying bitcoin in the bear market. Those posters were right. I'm crying from laughter!


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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10602 on: March 30, 2024, 09:02:44 AM »
Tokenized Treasuries passed $1 billion. 63% of that is on Ethereum. Blackrock's BUIDL sits at $274.8 million after 8 days. Franklin Templeton's $FOBXX has a market cap of $360 million after 388 days. $FOBXX is on EThereum L2 Polygon and Stellar.

$8.8 million has been allocated on Solana.

https://app.rwa.xyz/treasuries



ETH to $15,000!

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10603 on: March 30, 2024, 09:04:50 AM »
WIF is up x6 in a month since this post. I'm now up x45

I was told I would be crying for not buying bitcoin in the bear market. Those posters were right. I'm crying from laughter!

^~~~~~~This guy FUCKS!

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« Reply #10604 on: March 30, 2024, 11:54:26 PM »
WIF is up x6 in a month since this post. I'm now up x45

I was told I would be crying for not buying bitcoin in the bear market. Those posters were right. I'm crying from laughter!

Well it's nice to have such results - good on you. But here is the reality:

1. If you invested any substantial amount of money into one of hundreds of thousands of meme-coins at the time you suggested, you were a fool (who deserved to lose his money, and probably often does).

2. If you now hold any such meme coin which you were lucky enough to pick, and are not now selling, then again, you are a fool (who deserves to lose his money, and probably often does).

3. Don't confuse investing skill, with the luck of picking a meme coin which happens to do well. Same thing can be done with people who pick thinly traded penny stocks, with zero knowledge of fundamentals, hoping they may go up. Eventually one does, but this does not make them a good investor. It makes them a lucky investor (who probably will lose money over the long term).

4. For all the many meme coins with short-term-upside over BTC, many more never outperform BTC in the short-term, let along the long-term, and make money only primarily for the founder/scammer and those early on in the scam. So whilst you might occasionally get a coin with a 100x return, reality is that only 1/1000 such "investments" will make such a return, with the rest losing.

5. In the long term, BTC will outperform almost any shitcoin. We are seeing this even with last cycle's favorite ETH, which has over the last few years been on a slow and steady decline to BTC (despite its much smaller market cap), and we will see it with 99.9999% against any "alt", over any reasonable period of time.

6. Most people who made gains on a shitcoin, will indeed be crying if they don't "cash in" and convert their alt-gain to BTC. Many think they can "time it". the vast majority don't get it right.

My approach, for what its worth, is to first of all understand that there is in fact no realistic "alt" to Bitcoin (in terms of being the global baselayer store of value). and then second, to only buy/hold "alts" (for lack of a better word) which have fundamental long term value and technical feasibility, which I will hodl very long term over numerous cycles- examples include Chainlink. Uniswap, and Filecoin. The value investor in me simply cannot bring myself to buy memes and engage in de-gen shitcoinery. :)

PS - of Chainlink. Uniswap, and Filecoin, which I think are all long term hodl (think a decade ahead), I think the price and adoption of Filecoin in particular will be mind-blowing in years to come. So expect me, some time in the future, to come back on this post and tell you, I told you so. (Anyone interested, can check out a little more detail on FIL at www.filecointldr.io)

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10605 on: March 31, 2024, 03:23:58 AM »

PS - of Chainlink. Uniswap, and Filecoin, which I think are all long term hodl (think a decade ahead), I think the price and adoption of Filecoin in particular will be mind-blowing in years to come. So expect me, some time in the future, to come back on this post and tell you, I told you so. (Anyone interested, can check out a little more detail on FIL at www.filecointldr.io)

You know the same guy (Arthur Hayes) that was doing those Filecoin videos you posted is the same guy that's been pumping WIF for months

Talk about irony...

Arthur Hayes@CryptoHayes
TradFi better watch out. When we $WIF hat, anything is possible.

https://twitter.com/CryptoHayes/status/1753660604232179880

Arthur Hayes@CryptoHayes Jan 15
"ETF Wif Hat" is an essay that explores the arbitrage trading opportunities that US and soon to be HK listed spot $BTC ETFs create.

Yes, the concept has promise for sure.

For those interested in legit "alts" I would strongly suggest you look at FILECOIN (FIL). I won't put the full explanation, but for anyone who takes just a little time to read the link below, it will be very obvious how much massive potential FIL has.

Basically, Filecoin is on its way to revolutionizing how we store data. It is already making money, growing in revenues and adoption, improving usability, and building out various new functionality which will make it essential to so many areas of crypto beyond just data storage.

Even better, FIL comes at a post-ICO boom / bust price, and is well listed on all major crypto exchanges. So not just one of the few legit projects with true upside, but also at a price that actually represents legitimate value.

https://filecointldr.io/



Great time to add to FIL btw as it's about to breakout in a more aggressive way*

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10606 on: March 31, 2024, 03:38:10 AM »
I personally am super bullish on Ethereum. The new Dencun upgrade has been a success. Coinbase's ETH L2 is setting records!

https://cointelegraph.com/news/coinbase-ethereum-layer-2-base-record-dex-volume

As far as Ethereum's commodity or security status. Think about this. Ethereum Futures are listed on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange (CME). That exchange does not list securities at all. So if ETH was a security, then how the hell can its futures be listed on a commodity exchange? Also note that the ETH futures were approved after Ethereum made the switch to Proof Of Stake, and after the April 2023 Shanghai upgrade that allowed unstaking. The Howey Test also falls flat on its face when it comes to solo ETH staking validators. People who operate these solo stakers have to put sweat and equity in to acquire the hardware, ETH collateral, electricity, internet access, a secure building, etc. The validator requires maintenance and updates on a regular basis. Direct work is being performed by the staker to participate in the consensus function of the Ethereum Network. This role is really no different that a Proof of Work miner, in fact I would say there are more steps involved with staking. 32 ETH has to be acquired, and there are penalties if a validator goes offline or the hardware fails. There is no way the SEC would be able to male the argument that validators are expecting a profit based on the work of others, The validators are literally the ones doing the work!

There are plans to make solo staking easier and more attainable for everyone. Buterin has mentioned using a cell phone as a validator. It sounds like a great idea, if they are able to implement it effectively.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10607 on: April 02, 2024, 01:20:40 AM »
I would think we will be well over 100K per BTC coin by March 2024. Once the demand squeeze happens, the spike will be insane, and self-fulfilling, and very fast.

Well over 100k by March 2024, right? :D :D

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« Reply #10608 on: April 02, 2024, 01:40:08 AM »
Well over 100k by March 2024, right? :D :D

Correct - that's what I thought would be quite likely. We got around 74% of the way there...

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« Reply #10609 on: April 02, 2024, 01:41:22 AM »
Well over 100k by March 2024, right? :D :D

Either way, we key of course is to accumulate, hodl, and let time do its thing, and the long term to the trend is up. 100 K will be here before you know it. Be patient young Jedi...

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10610 on: April 02, 2024, 08:46:33 AM »
Either way, we key of course is to accumulate, hodl, and let time do its thing, and the long term to the trend is up. 100 K will be here before you know it. Be patient young Jedi...

Just scooped up a few more Satoshi’s!

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10611 on: April 02, 2024, 01:56:45 PM »
It appears that Ethereum is more resistant to attacks than Bitcoin. An Ethereum attacker would first have to acquire enough Ethereum. The problem is as they start accumulating the price goes up. Eventually it would become very expensive. Let's say it is a State Actor with vast resources. The Ethereum community and developers would first of all notice something is afoot. Once all that Ethereum has been acquired, it needs to be configures as validators. That also requires hardware, electricity, internet, etc. Not to mention the attackers' Ethereum would be slashed as a penalty for their dishonest validators.

A post from Reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/11duz5f/is_ethereum_more_secure_than_bitcoin_at_this_point/

Both would require billions in fiat, but you're being stupid when thinking about how an attacker would get ASICs. They would build factories to produce them, not buy them from the market.

Lets work out their budget, how much could they spend and still be less than attacking Ethereum? So there is currently about 17 million ether staked. That works out to about $28 billion. To be equivalent to a 51% attack on PoW, an Ethereum attacker would need 2/3rds of the total stake, meaning double the current amount staked... $56 billion (assuming that the price is unchanged despite buying vastly more ether than is liquid anywhere).

For that amount of money you could build 10-20 Tesla gigafactories and still have plenty of billions left for expenses.

It is very silly to build your argument on the idea that ASICs are a limited resource and think that security comes from there not being enough for sale. That is true for ether, an attacker has literally no way to produce their own, they have to buy it from the market. That is not true for ASICs when we're talking about these amounts of money.


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The $28 billion figure for 17 million ETH is wrong. At current prices that over $54 billion. And the price will go up. Nobody will be able to buy 17 million ETH in one transaction. The orders can't be filled. They would have to purchase in increments and the cost would increase to probably over $1 trillion dollars. And the ETH community will realize something is up.

https://unchainedcrypto.com/51-attacks-on-bitcoin-and-ethereum-impossible-coinmetrics/

Attacking Ethereum Costs More Than an Attack on Bitcoin: CoinMetrics
The cost to attack Bitcoin ranges from $5 billion to $20 billion, while it would cost over $34 billion to attack Ethereum, according to CoinMetrics. Even then, researchers found no way for the attacker to profit and the network would still survive.


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I would say it would cost a lot more than $34 billion to attack Ethereum. The price would shoot up significantly as the attacker tries to acquire more ETH.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10612 on: April 02, 2024, 06:42:45 PM »
Go get cha bitchcoin while spplies last whole net profit of 1% year over year  fakecoin bitchcoin
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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10613 on: April 02, 2024, 08:22:55 PM »
Go get cha bitchcoin while spplies last whole net profit of 1% year over year  fakecoin bitchcoin

Soar high oh Falcon.  Soar high.

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« Reply #10614 on: April 03, 2024, 01:10:47 AM »
Go get cha bitchcoin while spplies last whole net profit of 1% year over year  fakecoin bitchcoin

Zoom out. Man up. And BTFD.

Up over 1200% since this thread started. And up 138% over the last year (not 1%).

Buy, stack and chill young jedi. In time you will understand...

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10615 on: April 03, 2024, 07:38:19 AM »
Zoom out. Man up. And BTFD.

Up over 1200% since this thread started. And up 138% over the last year (not 1%).

Buy, stack and chill young jedi. In time you will understand...
price has fallen to 2018 level , brilliant!

Hasnt done anything in 6 years but go down, if you cash out thats 30 percent in taxes so youre at a net loss or you dont pay the tax and go to jail
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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10616 on: April 03, 2024, 07:46:41 AM »
If you invest 10k and cash out if it goes to 12k youve made a whopping 1k if that
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« Reply #10617 on: April 03, 2024, 08:22:30 AM »
price has fallen to 2018 level , brilliant!

Hasnt done anything in 6 years but go down, if you cash out thats 30 percent in taxes so youre at a net loss or you dont pay the tax and go to jail

If you claim you made your entire investment into BTC on exactly 12 November 2021, you are either a liar, a fool, (or incredibly unlucky). And even if you did, had you just kept DCA'ing you would be well up (indeed as you would be had you just DCA'd from at any time after this thread started).

Second, in general we don't "cash out", going from a supreme asset, to back to declining fiat currency. We hodl and stack and chill. But either way, any Bitcoiner of any substance either lives in a jurisdiction where no capital gains is paid, or finds ways to hold freedom money in a way that the Government is not aware who owns it (unless of course they want to pay taxes, which is always their choice). Further, such taxes you mention, are imposed in the US on all asset classes, (all of which BTC has outperformed over since the start of this thread).

Stop making a fool out of yourself, learn more about Bitcoin (and improve your spelling and grammar). All these tips will help bring you success.


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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10618 on: April 03, 2024, 08:51:21 AM »
If you claim you made your entire investment into BTC on exactly 12 November 2021, you are either a liar, a fool, (or incredibly unlucky). And even if you did, had you just kept DCA'ing you would be well up (indeed as you would be had you just DCA'd from at any time after this thread started).

Second, in general we don't "cash out", going from a supreme asset, to back to declining fiat currency. We hodl and stack and chill. But either way, any Bitcoiner of any substance either lives in a jurisdiction where no capital gains is paid, or finds ways to hold freedom money in a way that the Government is not aware who owns it (unless of course they want to pay taxes, which is always their choice). Further, such taxes you mention, are imposed in the US on all asset classes, (all of which BTC has outperformed over since the start of this thread).

Stop making a fool out of yourself, learn more about Bitcoin (and improve your spelling and grammar). All these tips will help bring you success.

Where do you take out your monthly "wage" from?

Eventually I'm hoping to sell my [roids] business, dump it all into investments and retire. Do you keep stocks to take an income from or do you take money out of crypto?

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10619 on: April 03, 2024, 09:01:46 AM »
price has fallen to 2018 level , brilliant!

Hasnt done anything in 6 years but go down, if you cash out thats 30 percent in taxes so youre at a net loss or you dont pay the tax and go to jail

Falcon is no longer soaring  :-[

Price is more than 3 times higher than 2018 level

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« Reply #10620 on: April 03, 2024, 09:04:58 AM »
Where do you take out your monthly "wage" from?

Eventually I'm hoping to sell my [roids] business, dump it all into investments and retire. Do you keep stocks to take an income from or do you take money out of crypto?

Do it the MattC way. Add some rental properties to your investment portfolio if you have a relatively stress free way of doing it.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #10621 on: April 03, 2024, 09:14:42 AM »
Well over 100k by March 2024, right? :D :D

You were the one screaming the price was going to zero because it's all tulips. He was far more accurate in his prediction than you.

My man you lost this. You made zero here and he added considerably to his wealth and yet you try take a victory lap? More evidence you are a full on retard!

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« Reply #10622 on: April 03, 2024, 11:08:10 AM »
You were the one screaming the price was going to zero because it's all tulips. He was far more accurate in his prediction than you.

My man you lost this. You made zero here and he added considerably to his wealth and yet you try take a victory lap? More evidence you are a full on retard!

Ha ha - well said Flex!

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« Reply #10623 on: April 03, 2024, 11:10:12 AM »
Where do you take out your monthly "wage" from?

Eventually I'm hoping to sell my [roids] business, dump it all into investments and retire. Do you keep stocks to take an income from or do you take money out of crypto?

Me personally? Yes I have stocks and property for income. And a reasonable chunk of cash always on hand. But my gold and my Bitcoin I simply just hodl, with no intention of selling.

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« Reply #10624 on: April 03, 2024, 03:12:15 PM »
So it begins. SEC is asking for ETH ETF comments. Ethereum Futures are already trading on commodity exchanges like the Chicago Mercantile Exchange (CME). If it was deemed a security the SEC would never have even allowed that.

Some people are also saying the lack of engagement between the SEC and ETH Spot applicants indicates that the ETH Spot approvals will not happen. Well, could it be that the engagement already occurred with the Bitcoin Spot ETFs? The ETH Spot applicants already modeled their applications based on what was learned during the Bitcoin Spot applications. The engagement with the SEC already occurred. The lack of engagement now does not mean the ETH Spot applications are dead on arrival.

https://decrypt.co/224693/ethereum-spot-etf-public-comment-period-sec

SEC Calls for Comments on Three Proposed Ethereum ETFs

A number of high-profile fund managers are hoping to get the green light from the regulator next month.

The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission is asking the public to comment on three proposed Ethereum exchange-traded funds (ETFs)—the latest movement from the regulator for the much-anticipated investment products.

After issuing a series of delays in its decision making on Ethereum spot ETFs, Wall Street’s top regulator said Tuesday that Grayscale Investments, Fidelity, and Bitwise are now subject to a three-week comment period.

This is a standard part of the procedure for fund managers seeking approval from the SEC for an ETF, and the same thing happened with the spot Bitcoin ETF applications—U.S. citizens and organizations wrote to the SEC voicing their respective opinions on the proposed investment products.

All three fund managers have proposed a spot ETH ETF to the regulator. The idea would be that they would hold ETH and sell shares that track the asset's price.

In January, the SEC approved 11 spot Bitcoin (BTC) ETFs, allowing them to trade after a decade of denials. The investment vehicles now trade on stock exchanges and give traditional investors the ability to buy shares that track the price of the cryptocurrency.

And with huge inflows, they have been hugely popular.

Many of the same fund managers are now trying to get approval from the regulator to do the same with ETH, the second biggest digital coin by market cap.

British multinational bank Standard Chartered said in a January report that it expected ETH ETFs to get approval from the SEC by the May deadline.

However, industry analysts have since said that the regulator's approval of the products is less likely, and posited that a delay that puts space between Bitcoin and Ethereum spot ETFs would be a good thing.

The price of ETH now stands slightly below that at $3,314, per CoinGecko data. Unlike BTC, it is still very far off its 2021 all-time high of $4,878.