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« Reply #11525 on: November 20, 2024, 07:21:50 PM »
lol why is it so hard for you to admit you are flat out wrong?   You remind me of like every girl friend I’ve ever had.  You can’t admit you are wrong and constantly want to change the topic to one you are correct at.   Here I’ll say it for you. 


Mayday is a dumbass.  This dumbass said bitcoin will top out at 76k he said he was a genius for selling at 73k but no he was wrong.   He is wrong.  But he will always argue that he is right.

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« Reply #11526 on: November 20, 2024, 08:09:38 PM »
96,563.26!!!

Keep stacking satoshis!

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« Reply #11527 on: November 21, 2024, 12:27:01 AM »
$96969.69

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« Reply #11528 on: November 21, 2024, 10:16:16 AM »
$97979.79

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« Reply #11529 on: November 21, 2024, 10:30:24 AM »
@Obsidian - do you recall our prior discussion on mining costs? You were concerned BTC miners were not profitable, whereas I pointed out that many were profitable and indeed were evening using excess funds to buy BTC, and where I explained the natural mining cycle?

Well, now, exactly as I have said, you can see - average cost of mining reported by MacroMicro to be $83349. Average price of coin now $97,000. So, not only is mining profitable, hash rate at record highs, but also the mining companies have made massive gains on the BTCs they accumulated (which they can either hodl, or use for business costs of cap-ex on new rigs). Its a beautiful virtuous cycle...


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« Reply #11531 on: November 21, 2024, 12:33:05 PM »
Gary Gibsler will be quitting!

https://www.barrons.com/articles/sec-chair-gensler-resign-inaguration-day-7eb9b95a

Positive for BTC, and positive for crypto in general.

On another note, Michael Saylor will be presenting to the board of directors at Microsoft prior to the shareholder meeting to consider adopting BTC as part of their treasury reserve. This shit keeps on getting better and better doesn't it.

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« Reply #11532 on: November 21, 2024, 01:17:33 PM »
Positive for BTC, and positive for crypto in general.

On another note, Michael Saylor will be presenting to the board of directors at Microsoft prior to the shareholder meeting to consider adopting BTC as part of their treasury reserve. This shit keeps on getting better and better doesn't it.

Very positive.

Crypto projects that had been developed and launched in the USA will have zero tax under Trump. Do your research and bid those coins!

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« Reply #11533 on: November 22, 2024, 02:10:32 AM »
It is quite interesting that they made crypto legal in China. I don't understand their laws in that regard, but I don't think Chinese people, in China, are allowed to buy American stocks - as an example.

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« Reply #11534 on: November 22, 2024, 06:12:00 AM »
It is quite interesting that they made crypto legal in China. I don't understand their laws in that regard, but I don't think Chinese people, in China, are allowed to buy American stocks - as an example.

Crypto is not legal in China, to the extent it is a security (which is almost all crypto).

However BTC is. How that can be is because BTC is a mathematical algorithm, interacted with through thought. It would be like make clouds illegal, or prime numbers illegal - it can't practically be done, much as CCP would actually like to control everything in China, right down to laws of nature.

In theory a person in China can buy any US asset, but one big problem is getting currency out of China. For most people, there are many foreign exchange restrictions, so even if they wanted to, they could not really buy US stocks in any great amounts.

At a less theoretical level, yes, China knows it cannot stop BTC, but it also knows (game theory) that if you can't beatem, joinem. So, they are now moving fast to catch up again with Bitcoin adoption. Especially in Hong Kong, they are now pushing banks to fully incorporate Bitcoin and make it available to all customers.


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« Reply #11535 on: November 22, 2024, 11:09:03 AM »
Crypto is not legal in China, to the extent it is a security (which is almost all crypto).

China made bitcoin legal to own the other day. Google it.

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« Reply #11536 on: November 22, 2024, 03:35:04 PM »
I want that.

Killer car that's for sure.

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« Reply #11537 on: November 22, 2024, 04:35:08 PM »
Crypto Wendy On has a decent show on j3wtube even though she's long since hit the wall.

100K is on the way
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« Reply #11538 on: November 22, 2024, 05:39:21 PM »
Interesting moves happening with ADA and XLM and XRP and HBAR.  According to zero-hedge retail hasn’t started buying yet.  I don’t know how much of that I believe but seems like we are in extreme greed mode currently.

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« Reply #11539 on: November 22, 2024, 05:41:06 PM »
Just a little food for thought if anyone plans on taking profits but I’d stick to the plan and KEEP STACKING SATOSHIS!!! 

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« Reply #11540 on: November 22, 2024, 06:46:13 PM »

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« Reply #11541 on: November 22, 2024, 09:24:43 PM »
Just a little food for thought if anyone plans on taking profits but I’d stick to the plan and KEEP STACKING SATOSHIS!!!

Good graph. Like you, I plan to keep stacking.

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« Reply #11542 on: November 22, 2024, 09:31:04 PM »
China made bitcoin legal to own the other day. Google it.

Google may be confusing you. Owning Bitcoin was never "illegal" in China.

However, certain types of mining activities were essentially made "illegal" in the past, banks were discouraged from accepting Bitcoin, and laws against the issuance of illegal securities have been enforced.

What has happened (and maybe this is what you are referring to), is that in the past numerous local Courts have "confirmed" that Bitcoin can be property capable of being owned by people. (This has usually been in the context of civil disputes, not criminal cases). But again, owning BTC in itself has never been illegal in China. (Now, if you were to use BTC to avoid capital controls, avoid taxes, etc, that would of course be illegal. But again, in such a case, it is not the Bitcoin, but rather the activity engaged in, which happens to be using Bitcoin which is illegal - make sense)?

As you may know, I have extremely deep connections in China (go back and read the beginnings of the GetBig Covid thread and you will see how early I was telling us all here about what was coming...) so you can be sure I am correct with explanations such as this one.

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« Reply #11543 on: November 23, 2024, 02:12:12 AM »


What has happened (and maybe this is what you are referring to), is that in the past numerous local Courts have "confirmed" that Bitcoin Cryptocurrency can be property capable of being owned by people.

Fixed for accuracy

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« Reply #11544 on: November 23, 2024, 03:40:54 AM »
Fixed for accuracy

Correct.

None are considered as 'securities' either..

Shanghai court confirms legal recognition of crypto ownership

Cryptocurrencies are treated by Chinese law as a class of virtual commodities with property-like features, allowing individuals to own them as personal assets.

Under existing laws, Chinese courts have ruled that digital assets can qualify as property.

Chinese citizens are legally allowed to hold cryptocurrencies, but business entities are not.

https://www.fxstreet.com/cryptocurrencies/news/shanghai-court-confirms-legal-recognition-of-crypto-ownership-202411211417

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« Reply #11545 on: November 23, 2024, 06:54:53 AM »
Good graph. Like you, I plan to keep stacking.

Precisely gib!   And some more food for thought.  58 million individuals can claim a net worth of 1 million or more on the planet.  Only 21 million bitcoin ever minted.  With 1 million in satoshis wallet.  If anyone thinks 100,000k is the top you need to work on your math skills.  There aren’t even enough bitcoin for every millionaire to own just one.

Also it will be the currency of the moon, mars, space….   Cash is too heavy and too expensive to put on a rocket ship.

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« Reply #11546 on: November 24, 2024, 01:41:36 AM »
Precisely gib!   And some more food for thought.  58 million individuals can claim a net worth of 1 million or more on the planet.  Only 21 million bitcoin ever minted.  With 1 million in satoshis wallet.  If anyone thinks 100,000k is the top you need to work on your math skills.  There aren’t even enough bitcoin for every millionaire to own just one.

Also it will be the currency of the moon, mars, space….   Cash is too heavy and too expensive to put on a rocket ship.

That's right. And sadly, those who think BTC is "too expensive" will miss out on BTC, and instead buy "alts", thinking they are a cheaper version of BTC, not realizing that the supply is alts is literally infinite, whilst wealth is inherently finite and flow where it is best protected.

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« Reply #11547 on: November 24, 2024, 01:54:36 AM »
Correct.

None are considered as 'securities' either..

Shanghai court confirms legal recognition of crypto ownership

Cryptocurrencies are treated by Chinese law as a class of virtual commodities with property-like features, allowing individuals to own them as personal assets.

Under existing laws, Chinese courts have ruled that digital assets can qualify as property.

Chinese citizens are legally allowed to hold cryptocurrencies, but business entities are not.

https://www.fxstreet.com/cryptocurrencies/news/shanghai-court-confirms-legal-recognition-of-crypto-ownership-202411211417

Guys - Whilst comments like this and Flex's are well-meaning, they demonstrate perfectly why you should not rely on a media report of a legal decision, yet one from a civil case in China, reported in English by a "financial journalist" who really has no legal training, and then re-reposted by a member on a chat forum, such as GetBig :)

You have to remember I have deep connections in this space across Asia. So, please believe me, when I tell you that securities laws very much apply in HK and in China. There are some decent summaries of the law in China (and HK) available if you do a little more research. For example, a good summary of the current position is set out here:

You can even find translations of the law. For example:

http://www.pbc.gov.cn/english/130721/3377816/index.html

"Organizations or Individuals Shall Engage Not in Illegal Fundraising through Coin Offering - From the date of release of this Notice, fundraising through coin offering shall be banned immediately. Any individuals or organizations that have completed fundraising through coin offering shall make arrangements to return the funds raised, and to ensure that the legitimate rights and interests of the investors are protected and the risks involved are properly managed. The government departments concerned will strictly investigate and address the coin offering activities that have continued despite the ban and the illegal activities in the projects that had completed fundraising."

"Any so-called platform that provide trading and exchange services for coin offering shall not engage in exchange businesses between legal tender and token or “virtual currency”; or engage in proprietary trading activities or trading as an central counterparty of tokens or “virtual currencies”; or provide pricing services or act as information intermediary for tokens or “virtual currencies”."

Various China-based law-firms also publish summaries of the current regulatory approach:

https://www.kwm.com/cn/en/insights/latest-thinking/tokenisation-of-securities-and-other-investment-products.html

"Since tokenisation is a “wrapper” that does not change the fundamental nature of an investment product ... [that] should not, in and of itself, affect the applicability of these PRC legal and regulatory requirements."

See also: https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/ijdlg-2024-0007/html?

"In September 2021, the Notice on Further Preventing and Resolving the Risks of Virtual Currency Trading and Speculation was issued by the People’s Bank of China, the Cyberspace Administration of China, and other ministries emphasizing that the business activities related to virtual currency are illegal financial activities. All government departments, administrative regions, and industry associations shall fully leverage various media and other communication channels to educate the public about the unlawfulness, and harmfulness, to enhance public awareness of risk prevention (PBC 2021). For the first time, overseas virtual currency exchanges providing services to Chinese residents via the Internet are also illegal financial activities."

Having said that, anywhere, but especially in China, there is distinction between the law, and the enforcement of it (which is very selective). As a result we will, at least initially, see BTC embraced, (perhaps also ETH) whilst at the same time securities laws very much enforced (which in turn apply to the vast majority of what we in the West call "crypto"). We will likely see USD stable coins discouraged (for political reasons, if not anything else). Bare in mind also, there is BIG distinction between HK, and China, in terms of legal and financial system. In HK, they have already moved to a much great greater acceptance of some types of "crypto" beyond BTC, such as ETH. But again, securities law are harshly enforced in HK.





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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #11548 on: November 24, 2024, 03:51:53 AM »

You have to remember I have deep connections in this space across Asia. So, please believe me, when I tell you that securities laws very much apply in HK and in China. There are some decent summaries of the law in China (and HK) available if you do a little more research. For example, a good summary of the current position is set out here:


Let's look at your recent record as an expert in Securities laws ..


Tell me again about how all ALTs are going to banned by the SEC

Tell me again how Wall St cronies would never allow an ETH ETF as they chose BTC as their winner.

Tell me again how you're a securities law expert by profession and how ETH would be declared a security.



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« Reply #11549 on: November 24, 2024, 04:08:09 AM »
Guys - Whilst comments like this and Flex's are well-meaning, they demonstrate perfectly why you should not rely on a media report of a legal decision, yet one from a civil case in China, reported in English by a "financial journalist" who really has no legal training, and then re-reposted by a member on a chat forum, such as GetBig :)

You have to remember I have deep connections in this space across Asia. So, please believe me, when I tell you that securities laws very much apply in HK and in China. There are some decent summaries of the law in China (and HK) available if you do a little more research. For example, a good summary of the current position is set out here:

You can even find translations of the law. For example:

http://www.pbc.gov.cn/english/130721/3377816/index.html

"Organizations or Individuals Shall Engage Not in Illegal Fundraising through Coin Offering - From the date of release of this Notice, fundraising through coin offering shall be banned immediately. Any individuals or organizations that have completed fundraising through coin offering shall make arrangements to return the funds raised, and to ensure that the legitimate rights and interests of the investors are protected and the risks involved are properly managed. The government departments concerned will strictly investigate and address the coin offering activities that have continued despite the ban and the illegal activities in the projects that had completed fundraising."

"Any so-called platform that provide trading and exchange services for coin offering shall not engage in exchange businesses between legal tender and token or “virtual currency”; or engage in proprietary trading activities or trading as an central counterparty of tokens or “virtual currencies”; or provide pricing services or act as information intermediary for tokens or “virtual currencies”."

Various China-based law-firms also publish summaries of the current regulatory approach:

https://www.kwm.com/cn/en/insights/latest-thinking/tokenisation-of-securities-and-other-investment-products.html

"Since tokenisation is a “wrapper” that does not change the fundamental nature of an investment product ... [that] should not, in and of itself, affect the applicability of these PRC legal and regulatory requirements."

See also: https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/ijdlg-2024-0007/html?

"In September 2021, the Notice on Further Preventing and Resolving the Risks of Virtual Currency Trading and Speculation was issued by the People’s Bank of China, the Cyberspace Administration of China, and other ministries emphasizing that the business activities related to virtual currency are illegal financial activities. All government departments, administrative regions, and industry associations shall fully leverage various media and other communication channels to educate the public about the unlawfulness, and harmfulness, to enhance public awareness of risk prevention (PBC 2021). For the first time, overseas virtual currency exchanges providing services to Chinese residents via the Internet are also illegal financial activities."

Having said that, anywhere, but especially in China, there is distinction between the law, and the enforcement of it (which is very selective). As a result we will, at least initially, see BTC embraced, (perhaps also ETH) whilst at the same time securities laws very much enforced (which in turn apply to the vast majority of what we in the West call "crypto"). We will likely see USD stable coins discouraged (for political reasons, if not anything else). Bare in mind also, there is BIG distinction between HK, and China, in terms of legal and financial system. In HK, they have already moved to a much great greater acceptance of some types of "crypto" beyond BTC, such as ETH. But again, securities law are harshly enforced in HK.

The judge said it is “not illegal for individuals to hold cryptocurrency.”

Here's an article from the South China Morning Post:

https://www.scmp.com/tech/blockchain/article/3287415/shanghai-court-says-crypto-ownership-legal-under-china-law-amid-bitcoin-price-surge