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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #11625 on: December 07, 2024, 03:46:37 PM »
Trump is an ETH maxi. Holds a big bunch of ETH and ETH layer 2 coins.

BTC to 245k. I was horrifically wrong thinking BTC wouldn’t break 100k this cycle. 245k is where I get to now 🤷

Classic Mayday. Swings from an overly bearish top price target to an overly bullish one  :D

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« Reply #11626 on: December 07, 2024, 04:06:47 PM »

What he is doing is fine. There is no issue with the numbers as he said he takes the loan during the bear market and therefore gives him headroom to absorb interest (depending on the contract he can not make payments and instead let interest eat into the capital) and downward price action.

The potential flaw you are looking for is:

What The masses don’t understand about using collateral loans is they are deferred future tax events. The moment liquidation, sale, transfer occurs, you trigger those deferred tax events. Mongs think the loan is debt when it’s really deferred future capital gains based on profit which is taxable.

Make sense?
Still trying to understand this. An example would help. But I think I have an idea.

He borrows $400,000 using BTC as collateral. The BTC is held by the lender. They send him the FIAT. Interest payments are made from the FIAT received - $120,000 per my example.

Is there a termination fee to close out the loan? If not then this sounds like a decent deal. $280,000 of free cash and the BTC balance remains untouched. It works if the price of BTC goes up. So it is smart to get the loan in the bear market when the odds are better that the price could recover. What if a loan is taken at the top of a bull run? BTC @ $200,000 and then it crashes to $80,000 in 1 year.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #11627 on: December 07, 2024, 04:07:56 PM »
Classic Mayday. Swings from an overly bearish top price target to an overly bullish one  :D
Lol, we are all human...

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« Reply #11628 on: December 07, 2024, 09:41:56 PM »
Classic Mayday. Swings from an overly bearish top price target to an overly bullish one  :D

Spot on, although I traded that first peak so it worked fine for me. I had 245k as my bull so might aswell be a moon boy. I am capitulating. It probably nukes to $1 now 😂

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« Reply #11629 on: December 08, 2024, 12:56:00 PM »
Spot on, although I traded that first peak so it worked fine for me. I had 245k as my bull so might aswell be a moon boy. I am capitulating. It probably nukes to $1 now 😂

You are getbigs resident ADHD contribution but 2 and half years ago I did agree with you on one thing.  See how it  plays out.

Sorry edited my post, meant 96k on the money next  ATH. Seems the leverage is getting sucked out.


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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #11630 on: December 08, 2024, 02:43:22 PM »
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« Reply #11631 on: December 08, 2024, 09:11:36 PM »
You are getbigs resident ADHD contribution but 2 and half years ago I did agree with you on one thing.  See how it  plays out.

I’m hard to deal with, yes.

 I can make a good bull case though 😀

The theory is BtC replaces gold so I look at the speed to catch Gold. My 76k came from The difference between Gold 2011 and 2020 tops which is the same 69k-76k move. We got 74k but close enough 🤷

I then watched gold as it leads and gave us 2.8k which gives me the next BtC move from 76k to 100k. Pretty close. That’s why I had to wait for 76k to break and see where it went so I could confirm. I didn’t expect it to happen that’s why I was so obnoxiously bearish, I thought it’d be next cycle.

So now 2/2 moves and more data to trend off. BTC is faster. What took gold 4yrs took BTC 5 months in the move 76k-100k. So I make the hypothesis that BTC breaks out before Gold does, sets the higher price and Gold no longer dictates BTC. Therefore I get to 245k being a retarded moron.

Sooooo yeah. That was how I got my price targets 😀

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« Reply #11632 on: December 09, 2024, 01:11:25 AM »
so, basically, as of right now, bitcoin is useless for every day use.

Got it.

Well, only if you consider the function Bitcoin serves of enabling you to preserve your wealth from being infinitely diluted every single second of every single day through Government money printing as not being the single most important innovation in modern finance...

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« Reply #11633 on: December 09, 2024, 04:56:53 PM »
Well, only if you consider the function Bitcoin serves of enabling you to preserve your wealth from being infinitely diluted every single second of every single day through Government money printing as not being the single most important innovation in modern finance...
Bitcoin is worthless without a medium of exchange.
A bitcoin is worth $97k.
Now take away currency and tell me how much a bitcoin is worth?

Same with Gold, if currency crashes so does the value of Gold, if you have to sell it to buy food rather than eat it

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« Reply #11634 on: December 09, 2024, 11:34:14 PM »
A bitcoin is worth $97k.

No, the price is (currently) $97k, huge difference.

And the price is 97k because one mad man named Micheal Sayler has leveraged up his company to pump billions and billions of dollars into that useless crap ;D

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« Reply #11635 on: December 10, 2024, 02:22:11 AM »
Bitcoin is worthless without a medium of exchange.
A bitcoin is worth $97k.
Now take away currency and tell me how much a bitcoin is worth?

Same with Gold, if currency crashes so does the value of Gold, if you have to sell it to buy food rather than eat it

You are confusing concepts here (which is probably why you failed to get a 20x return from 5K to 100K, and why you might miss the next 10x return to 1m).

When you say "Bitcoin is worthless without a medium of exchange", you need to remember that the most commonly used medium of exchange (the USD) is devaluing to infinity, which means that BTC, when measured in that currency, is increasing in value to infinity. The sooner you get your head around this very basic concept, you will realize why you should be selling dollars to buy BTC, and why BTC will increase in value for ever over time.

As for you comment that "if currency crashes so does the value of Gold/BTC", you have it entirely round the wrong way. If a currency crashes, scarce assets rise (not fall). Again, basic economics. This is why in countries where the currency has rapidly crashed, BTC massively rises. See for example in Venezuela, where the value of BTC has risen 1,458,575,081,340.95% over the last 5 years...

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« Reply #11636 on: December 10, 2024, 02:30:37 AM »
No, the price is (currently) $97k, huge difference.

And the price is 97k because one mad man named Micheal Sayler has leveraged up his company to pump billions and billions of dollars into that useless crap ;D

First of all BTC is not useless. Its function has been explained to you countless times. That use is reflected in what people are willing to pay for it, (currently around 97K). It's like saying a 100$ note is just a useless piece of paper. Its not, as it is valued by others who are willing to accept it in exchange for various goods or services. Only BTC is far better then a piece of paper, due to the fact that it is digital, and perfectly scarce.

The money "being pumped into MSTR" is because sophisticated investors realize that money is devaluing over time, and BTC is increasing over time. So, it makes sense to borrow in devaluing money, and invest that money in an asset which increasing. The quicker you understand this, the more financial successful you will be.

See you at 1m.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #11637 on: December 11, 2024, 12:05:08 AM »

BRICS?

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« Reply #11638 on: December 11, 2024, 01:32:50 AM »
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Fiat currency is actually, BY FAR, the world's greatest scam. But many of us GetBiggers are too smart for that. We know that BITCOIN is our defence against that scam.

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« Reply #11639 on: December 11, 2024, 01:34:35 AM »

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« Reply #11640 on: December 11, 2024, 01:20:10 PM »
What Donald Trumps son is telling the Arabs...

https://www.agbi.com/finance/2024/12/eric-trump-tells-abu-dhabi-bitcoin-will-hit-1m/

AE apparently are already in, as in the govt already bought.

MSTR premium looks to me to be the new Grayscale premium.

Microsoft board decline BTC purchase.

MSTR to be added to Dow Jones?

BRICS upcoming announcements to make us hate Gold? Event occurs inside next 7-21 day window? 🤔

Back half December in years prior to main peak cycle year. Close in 4 days starts these next price cycles.
2020 +90%
2016 +49%
2012 +6%
2010 +70%

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« Reply #11641 on: December 12, 2024, 05:46:30 AM »

Bitcoin devotees always revert to the "you don't understand it" line.  Yes, I DO understand it perfectly, this is why I would never buy it. 

Regarding gold and silver:  Silver has much more upside potential at it's current price.  I own lots of both.

BTC at time of quote was 4.4K.

LOL at this old fool and his idiotic posts coming back to destroy him...

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« Reply #11642 on: December 12, 2024, 12:25:13 PM »
Trump-backed World Liberty Financial is swapping stablecoins for ETH, onchain data shows

World Liberty Financial, the crypto project supported by President-elect Donald Trump, purchased $5 million worth of ETH on Wednesday, according to onchain data. This brings the project’s ETH balance up to a total of over $50 million worth of ETH, primarily purchased over the past several weeks.

https://www.theblock.co/post/330469/trump-backed-world-liberty-financial-is-swapping-stablecoins-for-eth-onchain-data-shows?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #11643 on: December 14, 2024, 12:33:16 AM »
https://en.bitcoinsistemi.com/blackrock-closes-the-door-on-altcoins-only-bitcoin-and-ethereum/?utm_source=CryptoNews&utm_medium=app

BlackRock Closes the Door on Altcoins: "Only Bitcoin and Ethereum!"
BlackRock ETF President Jay Jacobs said that BlackRock will focus on Bitcoin and Ethereum ETFs rather than launching other altcoin ETFs.

Following the approval of spot Bitcoin and Ethereum ETFs, other altcoin ETFs are also expected to be approved.

While there are already applications for altcoin ETFs for some altcoins like Solana (SOL) and XRP, BlackRock has closed the door on any other ETFs.

Bloomberg ETF analyst Eric Balchunas shared BlackRock ETF president Jay Jacobs' statements on this subject.

At this point, Jay Jacobs said that BlackRock will focus on Bitcoin and Ethereum ETFs rather than launching other altcoin ETFs.

Jacobs said that his exploration of Bitcoin and Ethereum has just begun and that interest in BTC and ETH is just the tip of the iceberg.

Noting that Bitcoin and Ethereum ETFs currently only reach a small number of customers, the BlakRock manager emphasized that the company is focusing on the BTC and ETH space rather than launching new altcoin ETFs.

“We are actually just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to Bitcoin and especially Ethereum.

Only a very small portion of our clients own IBIT and ETHA, so instead of launching new altcoin ETFs, we will focus on BTC and ETH.”


While many investors appreciate BlackRock’s approach of not launching more crypto ETFs, one user said that a step-by-step approach is better when it comes to ETFs, as launching a new ETF too early will only increase volatility.

Currently, SOL and XRP ETFs are expected to be approved in the US by the end of 2025.

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« Reply #11644 on: December 14, 2024, 12:37:14 AM »
https://cryptobriefing.com/microsoft-ethereum-etf-staking/

Microsoft may be open to Ethereum ETF with staking, VanEck head of crypto research speculates

Microsoft is actively looking for investment opportunities that can generate income, said its CFO.

- Microsoft is potentially interested in exploring crypto investments like spot Ethereum ETFs with staking.
- Currently, US Ethereum ETFs lack staking features due to SEC regulatory concerns.

Microsoft has rejected a Bitcoin investment proposal, but the company may be open to exploring other crypto investment opportunities. VanEck’s head of digital assets research Matthew Sigel said that Microsoft might be inclined to consider an Ethereum ETF investment if the product includes staking feature.

Sigel perceived this potential openness in a comment made by Amy Hood, Microsoft’s Chief Financial Officer, during the company’s annual shareholder meeting on Tuesday, where shareholders overwhelmingly rejected a proposal to adopt Bitcoin as a treasury asset.

Hood mentioned that Microsoft has been accepting crypto as payment since 2014 and has been considering crypto as an asset class. She noted, however, that the priority is liquidity, capital preservation, and income generation for its investments.

“Our treasury team, along with reviews with the Board of Directors, looks at all the asset classes available to us. It’s important to remember our criteria and our goals of our balance sheet and for the cash balances, importantly, is to preserve capital, to allow a lot of liquidity to be able to fund our operations and partnerships and investments,” Hood said. “So liquidity is also a really important criteria for us, as well as generating income.”

Sigel speculated that Microsoft might be interested in an Ethereum ETF that allows them to participate in Ethereum staking and earn rewards.

When asked to elaborate on his reasoning, he pointed out that the tech giant believes in crypto’s utility and that the board “has already and will continue to evaluate digital assets for the reserve.”

Sigel also noted that assets that provide yield are more likely to be considered for acquisition by Microsoft.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #11645 on: December 14, 2024, 04:32:31 AM »
https://coingeek.com/microsoft-to-ship-world-most-advanced-quantum-computer-in-2025/

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Microsoft (NASDAQ: MSFT) has announced a breakthrough in quantum computing that could slash the expected timeframe for mainstream usage of these powerful computers from decades to months.

The Redmond-based tech giant recently revealed that it achieved the largest logical entangled state across all hardware architectures, with 24 logical qubits produced from 80 physical qubits. For context, researchers previously believed it would take thousands of physical qubits to produce one logical qubit.
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The implications of these and other advancements in quantum computing for blockchain technology remain unknown. Some worry that quantum computing could crack classical encryption methods that blockchain networks rely on. Others believe that quantum computers could enhance proof-of-work (PoW), although this could cost existing mining equipment.

Not sure if the new computer chip was already posted in this thread.

Do you guys think it affects bitcoin price?

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #11646 on: December 14, 2024, 04:48:47 PM »
https://coingeek.com/microsoft-to-ship-world-most-advanced-quantum-computer-in-2025/

Not sure if the new computer chip was already posted in this thread.

Do you guys think it affects bitcoin price?
There are plans to upgrade the Ethereum cryptography before quantum computers pose a risk.

https://thequantuminsider.com/2024/10/30/ethereum-prepares-for-quantum-resistant-future-amid-security-push/#:~:text=Ethereum%2C%20a%20major%20player%20in%20blockchain%20technology%2C%20isn%E2%80%99t,risks%20from%20quantum%20computing%2C%20according%20to%20recent%20reports.

Ethereum Prepares for Quantum-Resistant Future Amid Security Push

- Ethereum’s roadmap, led by co-founder Vitalik Buterin, includes “The Splurge,” a strategic phase focused on building defenses against future quantum computing threats to ensure blockchain security remains intact.

- New upgrades, like lattice-based cryptography and account abstraction, aim to protect Ethereum from potential quantum attacks while also optimizing transaction processing, a move set to benefit high-security sectors such as finance and healthcare.

- By testing quantum-resistant algorithms on layer 2 solutions, Ethereum can gauge their effectiveness before a full network rollout, allowing a cautious, flexible approach to implementing advanced cryptographic safeguards.

Ethereum, a major player in blockchain technology, isn’t waiting for quantum computers — the cryptocurrency development team is taking steps right now to future-proof itself against potential security risks from quantum computing, according to recent reports.

Led by co-founder Vitalik Buterin, Ethereum’s latest phase of development, dubbed “The Splurge,” focuses on enhancing cryptographic safeguards and advancing the Ethereum Virtual Machine (EVM) with features designed to withstand the eventual impact of quantum computing on cryptographic protections. This strategy emerges even though fully capable quantum computers remain hypothetical.

The risks of quantum computing are well-understood in theory: if developed to a sufficient scale, quantum computers could theoretically break traditional encryption methods, posing serious security risks for digital systems, including blockchains.

“Preparing for these future developments remains an essential aspect of the network’s evolution,” Buterin said in a recent roadmap update. He points out that the progression toward “quantum-resistant algorithms” will be a cornerstone of Ethereum’s long-term security, protecting the network from future vulnerabilities. Buterin shared this view in the post that also detailed how quantum resistance and other cryptographic upgrades will be woven into Ethereum’s foundational code.​

Pushing Quantum Resistance
To achieve quantum resilience, The Splurge — which also poetically ties to the “merge” and “surge” upgrades — introduces foundational cryptographic upgrades, including lattice-based cryptography. This method, unlike traditional cryptographic protocols, is considered resistant to quantum attacks due to its complex mathematical structure. Fault-tolerant quantum computers, while still hypothetical, could theoretically unravel encryption by solving mathematical problems that currently underpin secure transactions, according to the post. Lattice-based cryptography, if successfully integrated, could resist such attempts, ensuring Ethereum’s transactions and assets remain secure as quantum capabilities grow.

According to a report from CryptoNews, Ethereum’s gradual progression — marked by previous upgrades like The Merge, The Surge, and The Scourge — has set a strong foundation for these next cryptographic advances. Ethereum has historically aimed to improve scalability and security, but The Splurge represents a significant evolution in the blockchain’s ability to proactively address threats​.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #11647 on: December 14, 2024, 10:50:33 PM »
I wish I would have listened to all of the Bitcoin naysayers the past 7+ years. LMAO


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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #11648 on: December 15, 2024, 12:42:47 AM »
https://coingeek.com/microsoft-to-ship-world-most-advanced-quantum-computer-in-2025/

Not sure if the new computer chip was already posted in this thread.

Do you guys think it affects bitcoin price?

In short, quantum computing represents a massive threat to traditional banking IT systems. That in turn will produce even greater demand for Bitcoin. Greater demand for Bitcoin will lead to an increase in price, as money, fearful of the threat of quantum computing to the traditional banking system (and indeed also of its threat to Governments) moves into Bitcoin as a safe have of wealth preservation and portability.


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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #11649 on: December 15, 2024, 12:48:29 AM »
To say precious metals are no better than BTC is ludicrous.  Bitcoin is speculative digital electrons in cyberspace

Well that one aged well. Lol at this stubborn old fool, now being held accountable by the history of the internet and hindsight...

BTC up over 2000% since he made this post. He could have made a lot of money, had he listened to some of the smarter voices on finance on this forum...