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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!Google's Agent Payments Protoc
« Reply #12300 on: September 17, 2025, 07:00:10 AM »
Announcement from Google here:

https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/ai-machine-learning/announcing-agents-to-payments-ap2-protocol

Google's Agent Payments Protocol (AP2) combines programmable payments via modern blockchains like Sui with open protocols like A2A and MCP that are enjoying rapid growth. It's the perfect substrate for real-world agentic commerce." - Sam Blackshear, Chief Technology Officer and Co-Founder at Mysten Labs.

As I have always said, we will see many chains compete and be used for smart contracts. But in terms of base-layer of money, as opposed to smart contracting protocols, we will see all fiat gravitate to BTC.

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« Reply #12301 on: September 17, 2025, 07:12:56 AM »
Last comment - this protocol is going to be great for micropayments for AI / internet. These payments will accumulate in total digitized economic value. And that value, when stored or combined in larger chunks, will be stored and benchmarked in BTC. Imagine hundreds of thousands of micro specks of gold, all eventually being combined and stored into a gold coin as the analogue example. Its an excellent development to see. We have sovereign wealth funds, countries, ETFs, and BTC treasury company at the top end, and micropayments a the bottom, and USD stable coins coming, all with beautiful funnel into BTC over time. Once whale BTC selling eases and the balance rotates into BTC positive demand, we will see a beautiful positive short squeeze momentum cycle that feeds on itself. Anyone who acts now, will be very very pleased with themselves when looking back at their actions they take now...

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12302 on: September 17, 2025, 01:17:40 PM »
I would say, Eth maxies should be concerned any time a better/faster smart contract platform gets created - especially one from a major tech player.
Just being faster or running on more powerful hardware doesn’t automatically make a blockchain “better.” Ethereum’s main mission is to be decentralized, permissionless, and neutral — not to chase raw throughput. That’s why Ethereum is designed so validators can run on modest hardware, letting as many people as possible participate in securing the network.

Yes, 32 ETH isn’t pocket change, but compared to corporate giants like Google or major staking services, an individual validator is still “the little guy.”

If Ethereum’s only goal was speed, it could just scale like Solana — which requires enterprise-level servers and a 10G internet connection — but then it would lose decentralization.

BTC Maxis should understand this trade-off well. The block size war that led to the Bitcoin Cash fork was fought over the exact same principle: decentralization over raw speed. Google could build the fastest “blockchain” on Earth — but it would just be a centralized database, subject to censorship and control.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12303 on: September 17, 2025, 02:17:58 PM »
Google could build the fastest “blockchain” on Earth — but it would just be a centralized database, subject to censorship and control.

The GCUL dev lead thinks he can build the database and then later focus on making it decentralized. Pure comedy.

The guy or his marketing team is should be fired for uttering such drivel.


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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12304 on: September 17, 2025, 02:22:59 PM »
You are pretty much right with this comment. You are confusing the BTC as base layer. BTC will be the primary unit of value which all economic value is measured in, and benchmarked to. Including on GCUL. But you are right, GCUL is closed (and by the way not decentralized L1). I also know someone kind of on this project at Google with a similar background to the guy you mention- I wonder if its the same guy! I'll ask him.

I would say, Eth maxies should be concerned any time a better/faster smart contract platform gets created - especially one from a major tech player. Time will tell. Google do have a record of failure with new projects, but this one they are well placed for. I am a Google shareholder, so would be please to see them succeed.

Google cloud have a great team and they will rack up a lot of wins with their partnerships, but GCUL just aint it. There are a whole bunch of very similar database/L1 projects which will have first mover advantage anyway.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12305 on: September 17, 2025, 02:33:38 PM »
I heard there was a rate cut.

What moves do the getbigger investment sharks suggest?

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12306 on: September 17, 2025, 03:54:20 PM »
I heard there was a rate cut.

What moves do the getbigger investment sharks suggest?

The rate cuts were priced in weeks ago.

There are no new moves to make, just more of the same

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12307 on: September 17, 2025, 05:34:01 PM »
The rate cuts were priced in weeks ago.

There are no new moves to make, just more of the same
BNB made another new ATH after the rate cut decision. I also thought it was all priced in. Maybe the contrarian reality is it was not really priced in?

BNB is now close to $1,000. Nobody talks about it. But it's performance has been surprisingly good. Go look at the chart since 2017 when it launched. It's been more stable than even Bitcoin? It never really crashed 80-90% since launch.

How high can it go? Is $1,500 - $2,000 feasible in a few months?

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12308 on: September 17, 2025, 05:35:07 PM »
The rate cuts were priced in weeks ago.

There are no new moves to make, just more of the same
Google Adds Stablecoin Support to New AI Payment System, Partners with Coinbase and Ethereum

Google adds stablecoin support to new AI payment system partnering with Coinbase and Ethereum as Cloud accepts PYUSD payments from select clients.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/google-adds-stablecoin-support-ai-171417612.html

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12309 on: September 17, 2025, 05:36:03 PM »
The rate cuts were priced in weeks ago.

There are no new moves to make, just more of the same
Binance BNB Smashes $1,000 Milestone for the First Time Ever

Binance has reached a historic milestone after its native token, BNB, broke past the $1,000 mark for the first time. The achievement comes on the heels of the Federal Reserve’s decision to cut interest rates by 25bps, a move widely seen as supportive for risk assets. The broader crypto market quickly responded, entering what many analysts describe as a new, more constructive phase with optimism for the weeks ahead.

https://www.tradingview.com/news/newsbtc:943084ffd094b:0-binance-bnb-smashes-1-000-milestone-for-the-first-time-ever/

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12310 on: September 17, 2025, 05:38:13 PM »
The rate cuts were priced in weeks ago.

There are no new moves to make, just more of the same
I made a bunch of duplicate posts after Getbig glitched out on my computer. So I am editing out the duplicates.

Standard Chartered says Ethereum to benefit more from DAT buying than Bitcoin or Solana

Ethereum is likely to benefit more than Bitcoin or Solana from the rise of digital asset treasury (DAT) companies, according to Geoffrey Kendrick, Standard Chartered’s global head of digital assets research.

In a report published Monday, Kendrick said the recent sharp drop in DATs' mNAVs (the ratio of enterprise value to crypto holdings) will force differentiation among firms and could drive consolidation, particularly among Bitcoin treasuries. By contrast, Ethereum and Solana treasuries should command higher mNAVs because they generate staking yields, though Kendrick noted Ethereum is better positioned than Solana as ETH treasuries are more established.

https://www.theblock.co/post/370682/standard-chartered-ethereum-bitcoin-solana-dats

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12311 on: September 18, 2025, 01:44:58 AM »
BNB made another new ATH after the rate cut decision. I also thought it was all priced in. Maybe the contrarian reality is it was not really priced in?

BNB is now close to $1,000. Nobody talks about it. But it's performance has been surprisingly good. Go look at the chart since 2017 when it launched. It's been more stable than even Bitcoin? It never really crashed 80-90% since launch.

How high can it go? Is $1,500 - $2,000 feasible in a few months?

I don't think he was asking about crypto, but there are many bullish continuation patterns across many crypto charts just like BNB. Sol has a crazy chart right now. The inverse H&S with a retest on the neckline on BTC is bullish too.

Also rate cuts with markets at ATH is kinda crazy. Don't think it's ever happened before. You just have to ride this up for as long as it lasts

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12312 on: September 18, 2025, 03:02:14 AM »
I don't think he was asking about crypto, but there are many bullish continuation patterns across many crypto charts just like BNB. Sol has a crazy chart right now. The inverse H&S with a retest on the neckline on BTC is bullish too.

Also rate cuts with markets at ATH is kinda crazy. Don't think it's ever happened before. You just have to ride this up for as long as it lasts
I was responding to your post that the rate cuts were priced in.

BNB just passed $1,005. It's been on a roll - even after the rate cut announcement.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12313 on: September 18, 2025, 03:48:15 AM »
I was responding to your post that the rate cuts were priced in.

BNB just passed $1,005. It's been on a roll - even after the rate cut announcement.

The main move has already happened, so yes it was priced in. The time to front run the rate cut announcement was several weeks back when I posted this.

Bearish September might have just been front ran. Fully unclipped and locked in now. It will either be 8 figure glory or back to flipping burgers. Alea iacta est


BNB is up $150 since then. A $50 move after the rate cut announcement is called being late to this particular macro event.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12314 on: September 18, 2025, 05:21:09 AM »
I made a bunch of duplicate posts after Getbig glitched out on my computer. So I am editing out the duplicates.

Standard Chartered says Ethereum to benefit more from DAT buying than Bitcoin or Solana

Ethereum is likely to benefit more than Bitcoin or Solana from the rise of digital asset treasury (DAT) companies, according to Geoffrey Kendrick, Standard Chartered’s global head of digital assets research.

In a report published Monday, Kendrick said the recent sharp drop in DATs' mNAVs (the ratio of enterprise value to crypto holdings) will force differentiation among firms and could drive consolidation, particularly among Bitcoin treasuries. By contrast, Ethereum and Solana treasuries should command higher mNAVs because they generate staking yields, though Kendrick noted Ethereum is better positioned than Solana as ETH treasuries are more established.

https://www.theblock.co/post/370682/standard-chartered-ethereum-bitcoin-solana-dats

The conclusion is false, as staking yields dilute the underlying value of the token. If it was that easy, and protocol would simply issue more and more tokens, this resulting in higher "staking yields". So, as the market comes to understand the dilutive tokenomics off issuing tokens as a "yield", the token price will fall accordingly. It's a gimmick, which only stupid people fall for (but as we can see, there are many stupid people, and snakeoil token scammers will try to exploit that as best they can). Imagine if you had gold somehow multiplying, such that a gold bar each year produced 5% more gold... (sounds great, but its a nonsense, analogous to fiat money printing - which of course was what BTC was created to get away from).

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12315 on: September 18, 2025, 07:58:50 AM »
Stablecoins on Ethereum have reached a new ATH of $171 billion.





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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12316 on: September 18, 2025, 01:35:58 PM »
The conclusion is false, as staking yields dilute the underlying value of the token. If it was that easy, and protocol would simply issue more and more tokens, this resulting in higher "staking yields". So, as the market comes to understand the dilutive tokenomics off issuing tokens as a "yield", the token price will fall accordingly. It's a gimmick, which only stupid people fall for (but as we can see, there are many stupid people, and snakeoil token scammers will try to exploit that as best they can). Imagine if you had gold somehow multiplying, such that a gold bar each year produced 5% more gold... (sounds great, but its a nonsense, analogous to fiat money printing - which of course was what BTC was created to get away from).
This argument completely misses the mark.

First, staking yield ≠ free money. In proof-of-stake, rewards are the network’s security budget — paid to validators who keep the chain running. It’s not “printing tokens for fun,” it’s compensating work that prevents attacks.

Second, dilution only matters if supply growth outpaces demand. If usage, fees, and adoption grow faster than issuance, you get price support or even deflation — which is exactly what happens on Ethereum post-merge (EIP-1559 burns more ETH than is issued at times).

And here’s the real irony: Bitcoin does the exact same thing. Mining creates new BTC every block — that’s also dilution. Bitcoin’s current inflation rate is ~0.83%, while Ethereum’s is ~0.76% — lower than Bitcoin’s. If you think staking rewards are a “gimmick,” you have to call Bitcoin mining rewards a gimmick too.

Your gold analogy also falls flat. Gold’s price isn’t based solely on a fixed supply — it’s based on production vs demand. If demand grows, higher production doesn’t necessarily tank the price. The same applies to ETH or BTC — issuance isn’t inherently bad if the network is becoming more valuable.

Calling everyone who participates in staking “stupid” isn’t an argument — it’s just lazy cynicism. The real question isn’t whether there is issuance, but whether the issuance is sustainable and tied to real economic activity. In Ethereum’s case, it is — and the data proves it.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12317 on: September 18, 2025, 01:47:01 PM »
Securitize (the intermediary that manages Blackrock's tokenized fund Build), states that Ethereum is the only blockckain reliable enough to upgrade traditional finance.



https://x.com/Securitize/status/1968055165673672735

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12318 on: September 18, 2025, 01:59:24 PM »
The main move has already happened, so yes it was priced in. The time to front run the rate cut announcement was several weeks back when I posted this.


BNB is up $150 since then. A $50 move after the rate cut announcement is called being late to this particular macro event.
Time will tell. Let's give it a few more weeks to see how it all pans out.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12319 on: September 18, 2025, 06:00:00 PM »
Time will tell. Let's give it a few more weeks to see how it all pans out.

Lol. Time has already spoken. That particular macro event is over.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12320 on: September 18, 2025, 11:37:19 PM »
Dalio has been on the debt-watch train for years now, but still worth noting for longer term retail investors:

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How Countries Go Broke: The Big Cycle In a 5-Minute Read

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Q8: Are there any other areas of the world that look particularly problematic from a fiscal standpoint that people may be underappreciating?

Most economies have similar debt and deficit problems. The UK, the EU, China, and Japan all do. That is why I expect a similar debt and currency devaluation adjustment process in most economies, which is why I expect non-government-produced monies like gold and Bitcoin to do relatively well.

Q9: How should investors navigate this risk/be positioned going forward?

As general advice, I suggest diversifying well in asset classes and countries that have strong income statements and balance sheets and are not having great internal political and external geopolitical conflicts, underweighting debt assets like bonds, and overweighting gold and a bit of Bitcoin. Having a small percentage—maybe 10-15%—of one’s money in gold can reduce a portfolio’s risk, and I think it would also raise its return.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12321 on: Today at 12:00:56 AM »
Lol. Time has already spoken. That particular macro event is over.
And if markets go parabolic next month or in November, would you still call it a sell-the-news event?

I see it differently — lower interest rates take time to work their magic on risk assets.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12322 on: Today at 12:04:45 AM »
#51% Attack#blockchain#Monero

https://forklog.com/en/monero-experiences-largest-block-reorganisation-in-12-years/
https://www.webpronews.com/monero-anonymity-threatened-by-2025-qubic-51-attack-and-vulnerabilities/

Monero Experiences Largest Block Reorganisation in 12 Years

The Monero network underwent a rollback of 18 blocks, rendering 117 transactions invalid. This was noted by ecosystem users.

Nothing to see here. Qubic just pulled a casual 18 blocks reorg on Monero 🤷


Monero is still suffering from the selfish mining attacks

An 18-block-deep reorg recently hit the chain.
Affected blocks were 3499659 → 3499676.
A massive amount of transactions were invalidated.

Personally, I don't consider the Monero network reliable at this point. I'll stop accepting $XMR for payments until this situation is resolved.

In the last 720 blocks (~24h), 213 blocks have been orphaned (114 produced by known pools and 99 produced by unknown pools or solo miners). That's 29.5% of all blocks.

This is just too much.

I know a lot of ppl will say I'm doing fud.
I'm not. I'm simply responding to the current state of things that I didn't cause, acknowledging a fact, and making a personal decision with my financial safety as a priority, which is really unfortunate, but things are what they are.

I really hope Monero researchers and devs can find a working solution soon to make XMR reliable again.

For anyone who still wants to keep using monero, a 20-conf threshold should be the bare minimum, imo.


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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12323 on: Today at 01:12:42 AM »
This argument completely misses the mark.

First, staking yield ≠ free money. In proof-of-stake, rewards are the network’s security budget — paid to validators who keep the chain running. It’s not “printing tokens for fun,” it’s compensating work that prevents attacks.

Second, dilution only matters if supply growth outpaces demand. If usage, fees, and adoption grow faster than issuance, you get price support or even deflation — which is exactly what happens on Ethereum post-merge (EIP-1559 burns more ETH than is issued at times).

And here’s the real irony: Bitcoin does the exact same thing. Mining creates new BTC every block — that’s also dilution. Bitcoin’s current inflation rate is ~0.83%, while Ethereum’s is ~0.76% — lower than Bitcoin’s. If you think staking rewards are a “gimmick,” you have to call Bitcoin mining rewards a gimmick too.

Your gold analogy also falls flat. Gold’s price isn’t based solely on a fixed supply — it’s based on production vs demand. If demand grows, higher production doesn’t necessarily tank the price. The same applies to ETH or BTC — issuance isn’t inherently bad if the network is becoming more valuable.

Calling everyone who participates in staking “stupid” isn’t an argument — it’s just lazy cynicism. The real question isn’t whether there is issuance, but whether the issuance is sustainable and tied to real economic activity. In Ethereum’s case, it is — and the data proves it.

Its basic commonsense. Imagine a company that does a "stock split". Give you 1 share for every one held. The net effect is that you now have two shares, worth half as much, due to the 50% dilution. This trick has been tried in trad-fi for many years - people do fall for it, particularly less educated ones.

You can read about the dilutive effect of Eth issuance here:

https://cryptorank.io/news/feed/7944d-ethereum-inflation-soars-amid-staking-surge-and-dencun-changes-less-than-100k-eth-away-from-pre-merge-levels

How staking leads to dilution:

Issuance of new ETH: The Ethereum network issues new ETH to pay validators who stake their ETH and perform duties to secure the network. This creates a new supply of ETH, which increases the total circulating supply over time.

Increased staking participation: As the amount of ETH staked increases, the protocol increases the total ETH issuance to reward all new validators. This, in turn, amplifies the dilutive effect on all ETH holders
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Dilution of non-stakers: Holders who do not stake their ETH are directly exposed to this dilution, as the value of their holdings is reduced by the increase in the overall ETH supply.

Stakers are also diluted: Even stakers, who receive new ETH as rewards, are subject to this dilution. While they gain more ETH, the price of each ETH is diluted by the larger overall supply. For stakers, the net effect depends on whether their earned rewards outpace the dilution of the network.

Don't fall for this "staking yield" trickery - you are smart than that! If you want a legitimate "yield", just buy one of the Microstrategy products - STRF for example offers a 10% "BTC yield".

The main thing to remember here is that by staking and "earning new ETH", all you are essentially protecting yourself from this loss of network share. The act of staking becomes a way to maintain or increase your percentage ownership of the network, rather than just an opportunity for profit (although many are confused by this concept).

I believe you are smart enough to understand this, but also smart enough to try to trick others about it - hence my need to clarify.


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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12324 on: Today at 01:16:04 AM »
And if markets go parabolic next month or in November, would you still call it a sell-the-news event?

I see it differently — lower interest rates take time to work their magic on risk assets.

You are both right here. Very much priced in - at the same time, also takes time to actually impact asset prices. What really is the most key factor is whether the easing (or raising) are ahead of, or behind the curve. And on that, I really have mixed views - indeed, it actually depends on how you view the mandate of the Fed, and what you believe it should actually achieve.

Either way, we know fiat money printing is not going away, and we know BTC is our defence against that this theft of our economic energy causes.