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« Reply #3900 on: December 17, 2020, 09:45:55 PM »
Why the fence sitting?

Are you claiming this next dump is the end of BtC? you don’t like it and believe it will die. Your opportunity to be correct was during the 2018 dump when countries banned it and closed exchanges. BTC survived, became regulated (with more to follow) and set a new high.

Will you agree that this upcoming dump will be followed by a quick bounce back up to this 23k level?

Lol - great comeback Mayday. Good luck getting a reply from Mr A, as whenever you confront him with logic, or anything that puts his nonsense on the spot, he avoids responding. That's one of his traits.

But you are spot on with your comment. Remember this is the guy who called a "bubble" in Bitcoin back at $300 per coin. He confuses short term volatility with a long term trend. Tesla, Amazon, Apple, etc - they all had big "corrections" along the way, but all these are almost imperceptible on a zoomed out historical stock price graph.

Remember, this is the same guy who called a stock marker collapse every year since 2009, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, and this year. And during "corrections" he would shout to all who would listen that "this is the big one". Yet, the stock market is now higher than its ever been! And Bitcoin is also higher than its every been. Indeed for Bitcoin, even for a person who bought in at the absolute 2017 peak (as opposed to averaging in), they would around 15% up now - so even for those buyers, a far better investment return than having stayed in cash earning zero return (and indeed being devalued over time).

I have long suspected he is secretly buying Bitcoin. He is stubborn, but is he that stupid to really not be holding it? I would urge him to swallow his pride, and admit that he as seen the light.


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« Reply #3901 on: December 18, 2020, 06:08:12 AM »
Curious no responses to my questions from the experts here. When asked questions that go deeper than blind faith in ponzi the answers get thin.

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« Reply #3902 on: December 18, 2020, 12:32:25 PM »
Curious no responses to my questions from the experts here. When asked questions that go deeper than blind faith in ponzi the answers get thin.

Not sure who you are aiming that at? I addressed your questions.

I don’t think things like energy efficiency come into it. I don’t really think banks give a shit about what is under the bonnet most of the time, I have only seen comments around it’s ability to become a hedge.

We know the monetary system is transforming and it stands to reason banks will all be looking for something new to capitalise on.

Gold already exists as a hedge. Gold has functioned for wealth storage for thousands of years but yet we are not seeing it move like it should in this environment. The question back to you and any person who doesn’t believe BTC has a good chance of success to become a hedge is if a tool already exists for this very purpose, why aren’t they using it to the level we should be seeing and why are banks now becoming supportive of BTC as a hedge in the future?

There should be WAY more focus on the gold bugs about why gold isn’t already 3,000.

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« Reply #3903 on: December 18, 2020, 01:13:14 PM »
Lol - great comeback Mayday. Good luck getting a reply from Mr A, as whenever you confront him with logic, or anything that puts his nonsense on the spot, he avoids responding. That's one of his traits.

But you are spot on with your comment. Remember this is the guy who called a "bubble" in Bitcoin back at $300 per coin. He confuses short term volatility with a long term trend. Tesla, Amazon, Apple, etc - they all had big "corrections" along the way, but all these are almost imperceptible on a zoomed out historical stock price graph.

Remember, this is the same guy who called a stock marker collapse every year since 2009, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, and this year. And during "corrections" he would shout to all who would listen that "this is the big one". Yet, the stock market is now higher than its ever been! And Bitcoin is also higher than its every been. Indeed for Bitcoin, even for a person who bought in at the absolute 2017 peak (as opposed to averaging in), they would around 15% up now - so even for those buyers, a far better investment return than having stayed in cash earning zero return (and indeed being devalued over time).

I have long suspected he is secretly buying Bitcoin. He is stubborn, but is he that stupid to really not be holding it? I would urge him to swallow his pride, and admit that he as seen the light.

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« Reply #3904 on: December 18, 2020, 01:17:01 PM »
Why the fence sitting?

Are you claiming this next dump is the end of BtC? you don’t like it and believe it will die. Your opportunity to be correct was during the 2018 dump when countries banned it and closed exchanges. BTC survived, became regulated (with more to follow) and set a new high.

Will you agree that this upcoming dump will be followed by a quick bounce back up to this 23k level?

Plenty of better ways to make money than trading digital tulip bulbs.  Learn how to trade options... 200-500% gains... like the end of today's market close.  Easy peasy!

At least you're somewhat sane.  Not like this sociopath, who's has a meltdown while writing 3-4 paragraph denigration dissertations about me everyday.  He should be happy making some $ with his blips, but he seems very angry and insecure.  I occupy his brain 24/7.

Winning!   ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #3905 on: December 18, 2020, 03:29:52 PM »
Plenty of better ways to make money than trading digital tulip bulbs.  Learn how to trade options... 200-500% gains... like the end of today's market close.  Easy peasy!

At least you're somewhat sane.  Not like this sociopath, who's has a meltdown while writing 3-4 paragraph denigration dissertations about me everyday.  He should be happy making some $ with his blips, but he seems very angry and insecure.  I occupy his brain 24/7.

Winning!   ;D ;D ;D

Futures yeah?

I wanted to get into trading and not do what I do for a living but the thought of losing outweighs my feeling that I’d win lol. I’m geared to handle the data to at least not totally fuck it up (I hope).

I had a practice account and made 36k in a week but I’m pretty sure that is BS as the volumes you buy and sell in the sandpit aren’t reflected in the real world so buy/sell qty can be completely fake. They suck people in with that I think.

Can I send you a PM with a few questions?

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« Reply #3906 on: December 18, 2020, 07:27:01 PM »
The next crash/dump will be epic.  Where the price ends up, no one knows.

So you are now admitting that long term that price will go up (despite short term volatility)? If so, we are making good progress with your journey to acceptance. And also if so, the sensible thing to do would be to simply buy, and HODL (which is indeed what I have continuously advised you to do). As opposed to not buy at all (which is what you have continuously advised).

Whilst on-one can predict the exact price, what we can far more easily make a prediction on is a long term directional trend. (Which is of course where you have been so very very wrong, both with bitcoin and with equities).

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« Reply #3907 on: December 18, 2020, 07:42:52 PM »
So you are now admitting that long term that price will go up (despite short term volatility)? If so, we are making good progress with your journey to acceptance. And also if so, the sensible thing to do would be to simply buy, and HODL (which is indeed what I have continuously advised you to do). As opposed to not buy at all (which is what you have continuously advised).

Whilst on-one can predict the exact price, what we can far more easily make a prediction on is a long term directional trend. (Which is of course where you have been so very very wrong, both with bitcoin and with equities).

Mayday, you are smart enough to realize that "trading options" to make money is a long term losing proposition for the vast vast majority of people (and especially for those without inside information). Its akin, long term to putting money on a roulette wheel. I have had may friends who kid themselves that they are "professional traders" taking leveraged short term bets on FX, equities, commodities, crypto. Is all BS. Indeed if it was that easy, the whole world would be billionaires.

I am sure you have figured this out already. Its laughable that Mr A, who has been wrong directionally even in simply predicting the continuous rise in the US stock market for each and every year from 2009 until now, could possibly be successful in the long term by betting on short term moves. To claim he can reliably make money doing this is akin to a horse racing punter or casino gambler who only tells you about his wins (and not his losses).

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« Reply #3908 on: December 18, 2020, 08:27:44 PM »
Not sure who you are aiming that at? I addressed your questions.

I don’t think things like energy efficiency come into it. I don’t really think banks give a shit about what is under the bonnet most of the time, I have only seen comments around it’s ability to become a hedge.

We know the monetary system is transforming and it stands to reason banks will all be looking for something new to capitalise on.

Gold already exists as a hedge. Gold has functioned for wealth storage for thousands of years but yet we are not seeing it move like it should in this environment. The question back to you and any person who doesn’t believe BTC has a good chance of success to become a hedge is if a tool already exists for this very purpose, why aren’t they using it to the level we should be seeing and why are banks now becoming supportive of BTC as a hedge in the future?

There should be WAY more focus on the gold bugs about why gold isn’t already 3,000.



The banking game is giving numbers or paper for real value. Does that sound familiar? Just because we live in a digital age - well, I'm not a believer that the game changes.

I was more  interested in cryptos...for myself....back when it was being touted as "untraceable" and claims like "it cannot be taxed or controlled" and "no more can be made". Those things aren't true though are they, so how are you to hedge with it? The main draw right now is relative ease of access and the get rich quick appeal....but this was supposed to be the people's money and a bank buster. It just looks like a bank booster to me.

Gold is a shell game as well. So papered over in ETFs. What would it be worth if it were actually tied to it's physical weight? A whole lot more. It has its fractional and transactional issues as well, no doubt.

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« Reply #3909 on: December 19, 2020, 02:57:22 AM »
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« Reply #3910 on: December 19, 2020, 04:58:50 AM »
I'm gonna be honest here it's real cool that you guys have this huge thread here full of info and banter but it's only half cool because it's a bunch of people I've never seen or heard their voice all I get is WALL OF TEXT author "gib" (getbig.com)

Make some videos or podcasts for fucks sake.

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« Reply #3911 on: December 19, 2020, 05:53:32 AM »

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« Reply #3912 on: December 19, 2020, 06:04:20 AM »

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« Reply #3913 on: December 19, 2020, 05:19:59 PM »


The banking game is giving numbers or paper for real value. Does that sound familiar? Just because we live in a digital age - well, I'm not a believer that the game changes.

I was more  interested in cryptos...for myself....back when it was being touted as "untraceable" and claims like "it cannot be taxed or controlled" and "no more can be made". Those things aren't true though are they, so how are you to hedge with it? The main draw right now is relative ease of access and the get rich quick appeal....but this was supposed to be the people's money and a bank buster. It just looks like a bank booster to me.

Gold is a shell game as well. So papered over in ETFs. What would it be worth if it were actually tied to it's physical weight? A whole lot more. It has its fractional and transactional issues as well, no doubt.

The game changes because the existing debt system is maxed out. Zero interest rates, crazy low consumer inflation, next to no wage inflation. It started back in the 80s and lasted 40yrs, cryptos didn’t cause it.

The reasons you gave for being interested in crypto are the things that held it back. People wanted it (and still want it) to be something it can’t be. Just wait and soon you will see BTC rally over news of increased regulation as this equates to increased legitimacy as an asset. That is how it gets access to the wealthy and the wealthy are required to hit high price points, pretty straight forward.

The appeal is as a hedge because it’s a finite system that doesn’t expand unlike today’s monetary system. I’m not sure where you are reading it’s expansionary? Diem is expansionary, the upcoming Fed Buck is expansionary, China’s crypto is expansionary, are you sure you aren’t confusing BTC with those?

Speculative markets cause price increases, not the reverse. If gold was physical only, zero margin and forced deliveries, it would be worth Considerably less than it is today, not more. Speculative commodity dollars do not want delivery of goods, that is the whole reason the speculative market exists and as a result it jacks up prices as people who have no need or use for something become market participants increasing competition with real consumers/producers.

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« Reply #3914 on: December 19, 2020, 05:48:17 PM »
Mr A, I have some good news for you.

I was speaking to some hedge fund friends over drinks last night and was telling the story of your journey to acceptance, and how now, even though you know you should be buying, you think bitcoin is "too expensive has the average American can no longer even afford one".

I have good news for you. Going forwards, you will hear more frequently Bitcoin referred to as SATS.

“SATS” is short for Satoshis. Sats are the smallest unit of Bitcoin that we will start to be using more on a day to day basis. In gold terms, think of Bitcoins as being a gold bar, and sats as being gold coins (only of course far superior due to divisibility and instant international transferability).

One Sat is equal to 0.00000001 BTC (one hundred millionth of a Bitcoin). In other words, there are 100,000,000 Sats in a Bitcoin.
 
Right now, you can get 1000 Sats for around USD 23 cents. Cheap huh?

In the crypto space, traders are already measuring the value of alts in SATS (as opposed to BTC), and this will become more common as the value of BTC rises.

So there you go my friend. You can now buy Sats very cheaply. And you can also appear educated and crypto-hip as you casually throw the term "sats" into conversation.

How much is a Sat worth? See this easy to use converter here: https://www.buybitcoinworldwide.com/satoshi/to-usd/

I would urge anyone who has not yet secured their status in the future, to get some Sats ASAP. And then HODL.


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« Reply #3915 on: December 20, 2020, 02:07:18 PM »
Elon Musk Inquires About Moving ‘Large Transactions’ to Bitcoin



Elon Musk inquired about converting “large transactions” of Tesla Inc.’s balance sheet into Bitcoin in a Twitter exchange with Michael Saylor, a prominent booster of the digital currency.

In a series of tweets, Saylor, chief executive officer of Microstrategy Inc., encouraged the billionaire to shift U.S. dollars from the electric-car maker to Bitcoin and “do your shareholders a $100 billion favor.”

“Other firms on the S&P 500 would follow your lead & in time it would grow to become a $1 trillion favor,” Saylor added in his tweet on Sunday.

The exchange came after Musk posted a suggestive image indicating that he’s tempted by Bitcoin, which has more than tripled in value this year.

“Are such large transactions even possible?” Musk tweeted in response to Saylor. Numerous people assured him they are, as well as Saylor, who said he had purchased more than $1.3 billion in Bitcoin and offered to share his “playbook” offline.


Bitcoin’s surge to record highs has investors racing for exposure to the rally -- even if it means paying a high markup. As the largest cryptocurrency rocketed above $23,000 for the first time this week, the mania pushed the price of the Bitwise 10 Crypto Index Fund as much as 650% above the value of its holdings, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-20/musk-inquires-about-moving-large-transactions-to-bitcoin

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« Reply #3916 on: December 20, 2020, 03:32:49 PM »
I’m just not a believer in Musk not already being involved in some way.

The guy creates what has been the most disruptive payment platform to the financial system, then dismisses cryptos except for his mate’s dog coin because he liked the code lol.

He has the vision to put someone on Mars....... but cryptos are useless.....oh but now He is interested....in BtC of all things which he said was useless..... 

I don’t believe he isn’t already involved. No way.






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« Reply #3917 on: December 20, 2020, 06:17:49 PM »
I’m just not a believer in Musk not already being involved in some way.

The guy creates what has been the most disruptive payment platform to the financial system, then dismisses cryptos except for his mate’s dog coin because he liked the code lol.

He has the vision to put someone on Mars....... but cryptos are useless.....oh but now He is interested....in BtC of all things which he said was useless..... 

I don’t believe he isn’t already involved. No way.

One of the founders of PayPal. And someone who loves challenging conventional thinking in search of better solutions. Yes, he gets it for sure. So yes, I am sure he will be buying in big. There is probably also an energy / satellite /datacenter play there somewhere, as well as a play on self-driving cars that essentiality get paid Sats on the blockchain when they are rented out by their owners for income.


In fact, quite apart from Musk, I reckon even one of the younger fund managers from Buffets Berkshire Hathaway fund will also buy in at some point. That is going to be epic when its announced, for a number of reasons.

I expect the big players and institutions to be a little quiet on the BTC front over Xmas holidays. But Bitcoin will be back with an absolute vengeance in 2022, as larger funds place their bets seeking alpha over the year ahead. Mark my words...

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« Reply #3918 on: December 20, 2020, 07:53:23 PM »
Musk going to need to move his $$ when the TSLA investors come looking with torches and pitchforks.  :D

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« Reply #3919 on: December 20, 2020, 09:16:14 PM »
Mr A, I have some good news for you.

I was speaking to some hedge fund friends over drinks last night and was telling the story of your journey to acceptance, and how now, even though you know you should be buying, you think bitcoin is "too expensive has the average American can no longer even afford one".

I have good news for you. Going forwards, you will hear more frequently Bitcoin referred to as SATS.

“SATS” is short for Satoshis. Sats are the smallest unit of Bitcoin that we will start to be using more on a day to day basis. In gold terms, think of Bitcoins as being a gold bar, and sats as being gold coins (only of course far superior due to divisibility and instant international transferability).

One Sat is equal to 0.00000001 BTC (one hundred millionth of a Bitcoin). In other words, there are 100,000,000 Sats in a Bitcoin.
 
Right now, you can get 1000 Sats for around USD 23 cents. Cheap huh?

In the crypto space, traders are already measuring the value of alts in SATS (as opposed to BTC), and this will become more common as the value of BTC rises.

So there you go my friend. You can now buy Sats very cheaply. And you can also appear educated and crypto-hip as you casually throw the term "sats" into conversation.

How much is a Sat worth? See this easy to use converter here: https://www.buybitcoinworldwide.com/satoshi/to-usd/

I would urge anyone who has not yet secured their status in the future, to get some Sats ASAP. And then HODL.

Oh, and gosh - I nearly forgot...

$23,000!

*1000 Sats now cost you just 23 cents! Merry Xmas Mr A. You can still afford some. Its not too late!!!. The question you now need to ponder, is can you afford not to!  ::)


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« Reply #3920 on: December 20, 2020, 10:05:23 PM »
I would cash out a large portion of that bitcoin gib.  I couldn't sleep at night knowing that I could wake up in the morning and my million may have vanished into thin air.

Thanks man. I understand the sentiment. Yes its all about getting the right balance of risk and % allocation. BTC occupies only a small % of my portfolio. Not that I would like to see it lose value of course. For me its a long term HODL and a critical hedge on the future. I am very comfortable with short term volatile moves, but am believe we may well will see a long term "one in a life time" upward trend. And I will, I expect, keep hodling even as its % allocation of my net worth increases due to BTC increasing faster than other assets over time.

The thing about "cashing out" is what to do with that cash. Cash on its own is not at all a safe or productive long term investment. But yes, if your portfolio gets too heavily allocated to one particular asset it may be prudent to trim and rebalance.

For what its worth, I had my biggest ever loss this year in terms of net worth on paper. During the peak of the covid sell-off in the markets this year I was down 24 mil at one point. Partially due to me being very overweight on one particular stock that dominated my portfolio and was hit very hard (and irrationally hard in my opinion) (* I bet Mr A is creaming in his pants with glee reading this...lol ).

It was not a great feeling, and I had a few "if only I have done x" type days, but all I have learned, read, experienced etc since my beginning as a investor and my rational investment logic, compelled me to hold, and not panic, and to put emotions aside. Its this mindset that got me to where I am now.

Fortunately I put further cash into the markets right into the absolute trough, (although unfortunately I largely avoided "growth stocks" and instead focused on mostly blue chip value stocks, and also a few smaller caps that looked solid to me). So as of now, I am still down around 8 mil from my absolute net worth with only a few days of the year left to go. No regrets at all and I sleep well.

The point being, not to show how much I lost (as money and wealth is all relative) but to show that even with those declines, I overall do sleep pretty well, knowing that the companies I have invested in are solid, my logic is solid, and that over time will continue to produce a nice reliable stable income as well as an adjustment that reflects the fair value of the assets I hold.

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« Reply #3921 on: December 21, 2020, 02:23:43 AM »
Do you have your house paid off?  If not, use the money for that first.  That is the best thing to do with large amounts of cash.  Also, make sure you have a gold star health insurance plan because one bad illness or injury can wipe out your portfolio.

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« Reply #3922 on: December 21, 2020, 03:00:27 AM »
Do you have your house paid off?  If not, use the money for that first.  That is the best thing to do with large amounts of cash.  Also, make sure you have a gold star health insurance plan because one bad illness or injury can wipe out your portfolio.

Yes, have numerous, in various countries, although primarily rent in the places in live myself. Some are fully paid off. Some have smallish loans, with interest rates close to zero. In the past, yes if nothing better to do with cash, paying off debt was always an option. Now, with rates so low, I'm not so sure. Buy yes, all ok on the housing front. I've never bought anything with leverage (except property). Stocks all paid for in cash.

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« Reply #3923 on: December 21, 2020, 04:08:25 AM »
Yes, have numerous, in various countries, although primarily rent in the places in live myself. Some are fully paid off. Some have smallish loans, with interest rates close to zero. In the past, yes if nothing better to do with cash, paying off debt was always an option. Now, with rates so low, I'm not so sure. Buy yes, all ok on the housing front. I've never bought anything with leverage (except property). Stocks all paid for in cash.
You are set.  Just retire and enjoy life.

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« Reply #3924 on: December 21, 2020, 05:25:18 AM »
You are set.  Just retire and enjoy life.

Yes, I know I know. But there is still a need to protect these assets, let along the desire to earn a yield from them, in an environment of ever declining returns. But yes, its a good feeling for sure. I am for sure "retired" in the sense that I never need to "work" again, but on the other hand, not "retired" in the sense that I will sit in a rocking-chair watching TV all day.