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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #4850 on: February 12, 2021, 09:13:55 AM »
https://dailyhodl.com/2021/02/11/fundstrat-dramatically-increases-bitcoin-price-target-for-2021-predicts-ethereum-will-outperform-btc/

Fundstrat Dramatically Increases Bitcoin Price Target for 2021, Predicts Ethereum Will Outperform BTC

“In our 2021 crypto outlook report two weeks ago we raised our target on BTC from $40k to $100k.”


I can assure you. When Bitcoin hits $100,000, I will be back with a very special message for Mr Anabolic. How soon that will be I cannot predict. But I am becoming increasingly confident that it will happen. He gave me so much shit about my "BTC possibly 100K by end of 2021 call" back in the day. Lets see...

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« Reply #4851 on: February 12, 2021, 09:27:45 AM »
So out of curiosity, are many of you guys simply purchasing fractional shares via outfits like Coinbase and then uploading onto a digital ledger for optimized protection?

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« Reply #4852 on: February 12, 2021, 09:38:59 AM »
So out of curiosity, are many of you guys simply purchasing fractional shares via outfits like Coinbase and then uploading onto a digital ledger for optimized protection?

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When you say "fractional shares" you mean portions less then a whole bitcoin?

Either way, unless you plan to actively trade, I highly suggest you take anything you (or your clients) buy, and take if off the exchange and into "cold storage". For most of your clients, my view would be to buy, take into cold storage, and HODL for 5+ years. If its on the exchange you have counterparty risk.

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« Reply #4853 on: February 12, 2021, 09:54:30 AM »
When you say "fractional shares" you mean portions less then a whole bitcoin?

That's correct.

My client is interested in allocating a portion of his portfolio to crypto and has made it clear that he doesn't want to allocate more than 10% of his available funds.

My client is 68yrs young and looking to invest into crypto, but in a conservative fashion. I'm not a retail broker, I'm just his accountant. The guy is ready to invest $100k into Cryptocurrencies, but wanted to know about the best way to diversify and this hedge his risk.

Thus, instead of just buying 2 actual bitcoins, he wanted to see if there was a better way to do it, say an ETF approach to invest in the entire bucket of Cryptocurrencies.

That said, he read somewhere that Cardano and Polkadot are likely to boom to the heights of BTC, so he asked for my opinion, which was really his way of asking whether other clients of mine are investing in cryptos and to what end (exact cryptos, amounts etc).

I can do his books and provide tax-loss harvesting from his trades regardless of what he buys, but I just can't provide him with financial advise, as I'm not a CFA, but instead his CPA.

Hope that makes sense..

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« Reply #4854 on: February 12, 2021, 10:00:48 AM »
You will find very few people truly understand how to possibly value Eth, beyond stating that "smart contracts" and "DeFi" will be a big thing in the future.

Here is a great analysis that goes a little deeper for those who are truly interested and want to be educated:

https://www.lynalden.com/ethereum-analysis/

OneMoreRep - you may find useful also.

At 2:50 Lyn Alden believes ETH will probably outperform BTC in this bull cycle and with an amount 'considerably north of here'.

I have watched the full video of this interview with Raoul Pal and overall Lyn Alden is more neutral with Ethereum long-term while Raoul Pal is bullish. They're both bullish on stablecoin usage though, which uses Ethereum.



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« Reply #4855 on: February 12, 2021, 10:01:09 AM »
By the way, thank you gib for chiming in with excellent information and providing an answers to my questions.

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« Reply #4856 on: February 12, 2021, 10:27:59 AM »
This question comes up a lot.

The safest answer in my view is 100% Bitcoin.

If the client was prepared to take a little more risk, perhaps a 80/20 split BTC/ETH which is also quite common.

A third option might be 75 BTC, 20 ETH, 5% alts such as those you mentioned. You could throw in XRP too.

Reality is that BTC is the huge planet at the centre of the ecosystem, with various "alts" rotating around it who will come and go.

The same balance as above is being mirrored by the larger funds, banks etc. Follow the money and the big boys.

Why xrp when they haven't settled their issues with the sec? Isn't that just throwing your money in the toilet?

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« Reply #4857 on: February 12, 2021, 10:42:26 AM »
So out of curiosity, are many of you guys simply purchasing fractional shares via outfits like Coinbase and then uploading onto a digital ledger for optimized protection?

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Yes.

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« Reply #4858 on: February 12, 2021, 10:47:21 AM »
Here's a question for you crypto aficionados..

A client of mine asked me for my personal opinion in possibly investing in one of the following cryptos:

BitCoin
Ethereum
Cardano
Polkadot

I told him I'm not too fond of the idea, but that there might be merit behind this and it could very well be a paradigm shift we're witnessing.

That said, I've posed this same question to a few of my buddies that do institutional trading, but no one has replied yet.

What are your thoughts? Which one would you pick and why?

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Raoul Pal, former Goldman Sachs Exec has 60% BTC, 35% ETH and 5% in altcoins (judging from his views on defi this probably includes Cardano and Polkadot).

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« Reply #4859 on: February 12, 2021, 10:48:00 AM »
This is a reply to MayDay from a post he had directed to me a few pages back. I wanted to clarify some of the ideas & terms he spit out, because 2 members reached out to me via PM for clarification as to what MayDay is talking about. His terms are a bit complicated to the uninitiated financial mind. So, I wanted to clarify and post with some definitions made clear for those that did not understand completely. For those that do understand, please disregard by Matt-like post...

in this thread just as the pandemic broke, the QE method was discussed as to how the world would begin a bailout. Nearly 1 year later and we can see the impact for the US where the Index started at 99 and has fallen to 91, pretty much a 10% decline in one year. To be fair, the US Index spent many years in the 75-85 region prior to now so a reading of 91 is actually significantly higher than it was in the decade prior. The US has a stronger currency today than in 2010.

Less concerned with the dollar index, because as you know, so as long as the USD is the world reserve currency, it will always lead against the euro, Japanese yen, British pound, Canadian dollar, Swedish krona and Swiss franc. Why? Because most of their international trade is conducted in USD and purchasing of their oil is also done via the USD.  What I believe the world is noticing is that the US is printing itself into a hole. We are meeting all the necessary requirements to be on our way to a massive deleveraging of our debt. When that happens, it will be a very sad time.

What is meant by the US Dollar Index? The US Dollar index measures of the value of the U.S. dollar relative to the value of a basket of currencies of the majority of the U.S.'s most significant trading partners. Who are those trading partners? The Euro (EUR), Japanese yen (JPY), Canadian dollar (CAD), British pound (GBP), Swedish krona (SEK), and Swiss franc (CHF).

The IMF are talking of doing a one off devaluation. Something like a 50% currency injection in one year to cause inflation using trickle up economics. Doing in unison means nobody would really gain an advantage in terms of trade. Apparently it’s going to happen in 2021. After that I believe they will lock around 2% annual. So they are going for a hard kickstart instead of a prolonged period. Makes sense.

This is a good point that needs clarification for those in attendance. An IMF proposal of 50% currency injection is incredibly risky, because it devalues the currency. Additionally, the trickle-up economics comment made by Mayday should be stated clearly to show that the major benefits of this 50% infusion will first be felt by the RICH, because their assets (stocks, bonds, ETF, Index funds etc) will be the first to appreciate in value due to the inflation that is felt immediately by those market assets. In other words, create more money, which is held by the big banks, who then will purchase into the stock market, which ultimately leads to the price of stocks going up. Hence the term trickle-up economics, which will really trickle-up into the pockets of the dirty rich.

Poor people, and by poor I mean everyone from the lower class (dirt poor) to even lower middle class rarely feel the effects of this currency infusion. Yes, they will get some cash flung at them via one-time stimulus checks, unemployment benefits and other welfare programs, but it won't be life changing, nor will it increase their wealth. The rich automatically experience expansion of their wealth.

1973-1980 we saw roughly 16% average annual M3 expansion which came with a 12% Annual GDP, 11.7% Annual CPI, a gold price increase of 460% over the whole period and a wage inflation of 100% meaning consumer debt devaluation of 50%.

For those that are wondering what the hell MayDay means when he throws around M1, M2 & M3 (I know some of you know, but other don't), these represent measurements of the US money supply (typically called money aggregates).

M1 = USD in circulation + checkable deposits in banks
M2 = M1 + savings deposits (less than $100,000) + money market mutual funds
M3 = M2 + large time deposits in banks

Now, increases to annual GDP were seen between 1970-1980, which were certainly substantial, but the USA was also still seen as a financial powerhouse by the entire world and our products were at the very least respected. Today, unfortunately, not so much. We are no longer the superpower we were by way of trade. Today, China leads world trade by a substantial marker. Also, Russia and China have become involved in a 14-country trading bloc that very conveniently left out the USA. Loss in confidence can certainly partially explain this bold move, but more particular to this is likely a loss in the desire to have the USD as the world reserve.

11.7% CPI is tragic (Consumer Price Index/CPI is simply the inflation, less buying power of your dollar, felt by way of what the average person pays for goods and services on main street). Granted, it led to a wage inflation of over 100%, which allowed for consumer debt (credit card bills and garbage debt along those lines) to be eradicated in half the time, which kept the poor appeased by making them believe that things can't be that bad if they are managing to clean their financial situations up a bit via eradication of debt.

I think the monetary system has survived many hard times and the result is transformations over rather than a complete collapse. The Germans post war was a scenario where they were physically destroyed and overwhelmed by debt. impossible to get out of and all alone with really no hope to get out of. This is a global scenario and we are intact so I feel it’s a very different problem we face than post war.

I think what you might not be considering is that we, the USA, are following the same path as other great empires in the past. Consider the archetypical examples that were Athens from the late 400s to the 300s BC, the end of the Roman Republic in the century or so preceding 27 BC, Germany’s Weimar Republic in the 1920s and the weak democracies of Italy, Japan and Spain in the 1920s and 1930s that turned to autocracies of the right (fascism) to bring order to the economic chaos. We are committing all of the major mistakes they committed and are being driven by our greed that doesn't allow for us to see past our present situation.

I know people are crazy scared of inflation but what would you pick if given the option?
1) double wage. Halve debt value but you can’t afford big TVs, expensive phones, holidays
2) no wage growth and risk of lower wages. Debt remains as full term loan. Can afford the luxuries but risk of higher unemployment.

(1) Double salaries & wages and it will allow for the working middle class to eradicate their debts in half the time. Granted, CPI will catch up and yes the modern day luxuries will be harder to acquire, but if you have debt-free citizens with active employment, they can acquire the things they *want" slowly over time, so as long as they have what they need (food, roof over their head, reserves in the bank etc). Keeping in mind that INFLATION is already taking place by way of assets going up in price (stocks, real estate, commodities etc). The issue here is that the common man doesn't care about inflation that affects market assets because that's above their paygrade, they care more about the effects of inflation on main street, that being the cost of their daily products and services (Consumer Price Index).

Allow for inflation to be revealed. We can't just keep monetizing the debt and assuming we will print our troubles away. All this continual QE will not end well. As soon as velocity picks up, inflation will certainly ensue. The only reason inflation has yet to kick in is because the money is either sitting at the Big Banks or has been sent out to foreign nations as part of US aid & spending projects. As soon as it starts to properly hit the ground level (and I don't mean via one-time stimulus checks and unemployment checks, but actual infusion of that new *currency*) and people regain confidence in public spending, CPI will undoubtedly rise.

Moreover, I think part of the reason why so many whales are going into crypto is partly because they see the writing on the wall with regards to the fate of the US Dollar. That, and of course they can make tons of money from speculative trades and ballooning crypto values.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #4860 on: February 12, 2021, 11:15:09 AM »
Raoul Pal, former Goldman Sachs Exec has 60% BTC, 35% ETH and 5% in altcoins (judging from his views on defi this probably includes Cardano and Polkadot).

I'm a fan of Raoul. He's a pretty smart guy.

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« Reply #4861 on: February 12, 2021, 12:40:08 PM »
This is a reply to MayDay from a post he had directed to me a few pages back. I wanted to clarify some of the ideas & terms he spit out, because 2 members reached out to me via PM for clarification as to what MayDay is talking about. His terms are a bit complicated to the uninitiated financial mind. So, I wanted to clarify and post with some definitions made clear for those that did not understand completely. For those that do understand, please disregard by Matt-like post...

Less concerned with the dollar index, because as you know, so as long as the USD is the world reserve currency, it will always lead against the euro, Japanese yen, British pound, Canadian dollar, Swedish krona and Swiss franc. Why? Because most of their international trade is conducted in USD and purchasing of their oil is also done via the USD.  What I believe the world is noticing is that the US is printing itself into a hole. We are meeting all the necessary requirements to be on our way to a massive deleveraging of our debt. When that happens, it will be a very sad time.

What is meant by the US Dollar Index? The US Dollar index measures of the value of the U.S. dollar relative to the value of a basket of currencies of the majority of the U.S.'s most significant trading partners. Who are those trading partners? The Euro (EUR), Japanese yen (JPY), Canadian dollar (CAD), British pound (GBP), Swedish krona (SEK), and Swiss franc (CHF).

This is a good point that needs clarification for those in attendance. An IMF proposal of 50% currency injection is incredibly risky, because it devalues the currency. Additionally, the trickle-up economics comment made by Mayday should be stated clearly to show that the major benefits of this 50% infusion will first be felt by the RICH, because their assets (stocks, bonds, ETF, Index funds etc) will be the first to appreciate in value due to the inflation that is felt immediately by those market assets. In other words, create more money, which is held by the big banks, who then will purchase into the stock market, which ultimately leads to the price of stocks going up. Hence the term trickle-up economics, which will really trickle-up into the pockets of the dirty rich.

Poor people, and by poor I mean everyone from the lower class (dirt poor) to even lower middle class rarely feel the effects of this currency infusion. Yes, they will get some cash flung at them via one-time stimulus checks, unemployment benefits and other welfare programs, but it won't be life changing, nor will it increase their wealth. The rich automatically experience expansion of their wealth.

For those that are wondering what the hell MayDay means when he throws around M1, M2 & M3 (I know some of you know, but other don't), these represent measurements of the US money supply (typically called money aggregates).

M1 = USD in circulation + checkable deposits in banks
M2 = M1 + savings deposits (less than $100,000) + money market mutual funds
M3 = M2 + large time deposits in banks

Now, increases to annual GDP were seen between 1970-1980, which were certainly substantial, but the USA was also still seen as a financial powerhouse by the entire world and our products were at the very least respected. Today, unfortunately, not so much. We are no longer the superpower we were by way of trade. Today, China leads world trade by a substantial marker. Also, Russia and China have become involved in a 14-country trading bloc that very conveniently left out the USA. Loss in confidence can certainly partially explain this bold move, but more particular to this is likely a loss in the desire to have the USD as the world reserve.

11.7% CPI is tragic (Consumer Price Index/CPI is simply the inflation, less buying power of your dollar, felt by way of what the average person pays for goods and services on main street). Granted, it led to a wage inflation of over 100%, which allowed for consumer debt (credit card bills and garbage debt along those lines) to be eradicated in half the time, which kept the poor appeased by making them believe that things can't be that bad if they are managing to clean their financial situations up a bit via eradication of debt.

I think what you might not be considering is that we, the USA, are following the same path as other great empires in the past. Consider the archetypical examples that were Athens from the late 400s to the 300s BC, the end of the Roman Republic in the century or so preceding 27 BC, Germany’s Weimar Republic in the 1920s and the weak democracies of Italy, Japan and Spain in the 1920s and 1930s that turned to autocracies of the right (fascism) to bring order to the economic chaos. We are committing all of the major mistakes they committed and are being driven by our greed that doesn't allow for us to see past our present situation.

(1) Double salaries & wages and it will allow for the working middle class to eradicate their debts in half the time. Granted, CPI will catch up and yes the modern day luxuries will be harder to acquire, but if you have debt-free citizens with active employment, they can acquire the things they *want" slowly over time, so as long as they have what they need (food, roof over their head, reserves in the bank etc). Keeping in mind that INFLATION is already taking place by way of assets going up in price (stocks, real estate, commodities etc). The issue here is that the common man doesn't care about inflation that affects market assets because that's above their paygrade, they care more about the effects of inflation on main street, that being the cost of their daily products and services (Consumer Price Index).

Allow for inflation to be revealed. We can't just keep monetizing the debt and assuming we will print our troubles away. All this continual QE will not end well. As soon as velocity picks up, inflation will certainly ensue. The only reason inflation has yet to kick in is because the money is either sitting at the Big Banks or has been sent out to foreign nations as part of US aid & spending projects. As soon as it starts to properly hit the ground level (and I don't mean via one-time stimulus checks and unemployment checks, but actual infusion of that new *currency*) and people regain confidence in public spending, CPI will undoubtedly rise.

Moreover, I think part of the reason why so many whales are going into crypto is partly because they see the writing on the wall with regards to the fate of the US Dollar. That, and of course they can make tons of money from speculative trades and ballooning crypto values.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #4862 on: February 12, 2021, 12:48:44 PM »
Thanks.

You're very welcome.

Although, I felt you knew these things already, or so at least it seems that way with your interactions within this thread.

The people that sent me private messages were literally everyday guys (a contractor & a pharmacist) that weren't hip to all these financial & economic talking points.

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« Reply #4863 on: February 12, 2021, 12:59:58 PM »
You're very welcome.

Although, I felt you knew these things already, or so at least it seems that way with your interactions within this thread.

The people that sent me private messages were literally everyday guys (a contractor & a pharmacist) that weren't hip to all these financial & economic talking points.

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I understood most of it but it always helps to have someone confirm/clarify things.

Subjects like this aren't really at the forefront of conversatios at my work place, so I have no one to bounce thoughts off of. I mentioned crypto to a few co workers 3 years ago and only one individual invested and is still involved. Needless to say, he's very happy.

Now that I have time off work, thanks to covid, im totally immersed in this. Very interesting times.


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« Reply #4864 on: February 12, 2021, 01:05:19 PM »
I understood most of it but it always helps to have someone confirm/clarify things.

Subjects like this aren't really at the forefront of conversatios at my work place, so I have no one to bounce thoughts off of. I mentioned crypto to a few co workers 3 years ago and only one individual invested and is still involved. Needless to say, he's very happy.

Now that I have time off work, thanks to covid, im totally immersed in this. Very interesting times.

Gotcha.

Well, the good part for me is that I'm not terribly well versed with crypto, so this thread is also serving as a great learning opportunity to me. Yes, I'm reading a couple of books on crypto, but nothing beats real-time feedback from people that have a firm understanding of its nature and actively buy, hold and sell this digital asset.

So thank you as well for keeping the spark going and pushing for good intellectual conversation.

I must say, I miss reading Mr Anabolic's posts. He was on the opposite side of the crypto spectrum, but that's also necessary in order to stress-test the ideas/theories behind this larger discussion. He was this forum's very own Peter Schiff in some respects.

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« Reply #4865 on: February 12, 2021, 02:20:05 PM »
At 2:50 Lyn Alden believes ETH will probably outperform BTC in this bull cycle and with an amount 'considerably north of here'.

I have watched the full video of this interview with Raoul Pal and overall Lyn Alden is more neutral with Ethereum long-term while Raoul Pal is bullish. They're both bullish on stablecoin usage though, which uses Ethereum.



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ETH is dead on arrival because of the centralized development and decisions to observe the cult of Vitalik.  Forrtunately it has spawned some good experimentation and the baby DeFi is something to behold, all of which can be replicated on the bitcoin network's Rootstock sidechain, some fortunes will be made here for sure
RootStock can do everything ETH can do ... except uses bitcoins natively.

Which do you think Institutions will use to do DeFi when they are loaded up with Bitcoin?

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« Reply #4866 on: February 12, 2021, 03:56:19 PM »
What advantage does ETH have over BTC? For the average person like me, that is not deeply informed and educated on cryptocurrency, and with so many out there, it is BTC that stands out. BTC I see around on various outlets and can use in real life. I've never seen any avenue in which I can engage in a transaction using any other cryptocurrency.

With Cash App it is easy to buy, sell and use BTC. I don't even know where I can buy
ETH or Dogecoin.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #4867 on: February 12, 2021, 04:23:00 PM »
What advantage does ETH have over BTC? For the average person like me, that is not deeply informed and educated on cryptocurrency, and with so many out there, it is BTC that stands out. BTC I see around on various outlets and can use in real life. I've never seen any avenue in which I can engage in a transaction using any other cryptocurrency.

With Cash App it is easy to buy, sell and use BTC. I don't even know where I can buy
ETH or Dogecoin.
You can buy Ethereum along with Bitcoin and Cardano and AAVE on Coinbase. Coinbase does not yet offer Dogecoin. You can buy Dogecoin on Binance.us. I made over $12,000 in 4 hours when I sold Ethereum for Doge and then rode it up. I then sold some of my Doge back to USD and then bought back my original Ethereum investment. This was all done on Binance.us. So now I still had my +$12,000 profit and my original Ethereum. In fact I almost gained another 1 ETH in the process. I could have made a lot more if I had sold all my Ethereum for Doge but that was a risk I was not willing to take.

For me right now the goal is to get as much crypto as I can in this bull market. It is going to come down eventually and I want to take out profits before that happens so I can buy back in when it drops a lot. I regret not doing this in 2018 and 2019 because I was new to the crypto game.

Bitcoin is almost at $50,000 right now. Some predict it will hit $1 million. That means an increase of 20x. There are many cryptos out there right now that still have a 100x gain to be realized. Cardano for example has great potential and has outperformed Bitcoin and Ethereum the past year. Then there is VeChain (VET) that could go up by a lot.

I do want to acquire some Bitcoin but I have to compare how much Bitcoin is going to go up vs some of the other cryptos. Bitcoin is not going to make as big moves as some of the other smaller coins. If Bitcoin now goes to $100,000 that is only a little over 100% increase. Big whoop!

Meanwhile for ADA (Cardano) to go from $1 to $4 will be much easier. That's a 300% increase.

I will get into Bitcoin once I have maximized my gains in alts because big moves are easier there. Bitcoin will eventually be so expensive that big increases will be unlikely. The guys that got into Bitcoin years ago at low prices are sitting pretty. Someone getting into Bitcoin now will not have these same gains.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #4868 on: February 12, 2021, 04:37:05 PM »


ETH is dead on arrival because of the centralized development and decisions to observe the cult of Vitalik.  Forrtunately it has spawned some good experimentation and the baby DeFi is something to behold, all of which can be replicated on the bitcoin network's Rootstock sidechain, some fortunes will be made here for sure
RootStock can do everything ETH can do ... except uses bitcoins natively.

Which do you think Institutions will use to do DeFi when they are loaded up with Bitcoin?
Here is an analogy for you. You need a certain amount of horsepower to drive a car at 300 mph. As the speed goes up the amount of horsepower required increases dramatically. To get to 400 mhp is a huge leap. Much bigger than 100 mph - 200 mph and 200 mph - 300 mph.

Same thing goes for Bitcoin. For Bitcoin to double requires a lot more capital inflow compared to a smaller asset like Ethereum or Cardano.

You would need another trillion dollar investment in Bitcoin to get it to $100,000. As Bitcoin gets more and more expensive investors will start looking at alternatives. Let's face it we are all here to make some money with our fiats.

Sure Bitcoin going from $50,000 to $100,000 might sound a lot more impressive than Cardano going from $1 to $3 but the latter will offer a bigger return for a new investor - 100% vs 200%. Too many people are caught up with the high price of Bitcoin. It is impressive if you already have 1000 Bitcoins. If you have no Bitcoins it means you have to fork over a lot just to get 1.

This is why I am not as bullish with Bitcoin. It will go up in price but so will the others. And the others will go up by a larger percentage. Bitcoin is not the best investment for new investors imo.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #4869 on: February 12, 2021, 04:44:00 PM »


ETH is dead on arrival because of the centralized development and decisions to observe the cult of Vitalik.  Forrtunately it has spawned some good experimentation and the baby DeFi is something to behold, all of which can be replicated on the bitcoin network's Rootstock sidechain, some fortunes will be made here for sure
RootStock can do everything ETH can do ... except uses bitcoins natively.

Which do you think Institutions will use to do DeFi when they are loaded up with Bitcoin?
https://medium.com/swlh/ethereum-isnt-decentralized-and-other-myths-ef2d132ee1fe

Ask a Bitcoin maximalist to sing you the song of their people, and it’ll sound something like this:



That’s a lot to unpack. First — an assertion that Ethereum is centralized, followed by a never-to-be-witnessed again “immaculate conception” premise for Bitcoin’s emergence, followed by the implication that only Bitcoin is invulnerable to being co-opted by government agencies and scammers.

Do the space cat’s claims have merit? Let’s take a closer look, starting with the big one.

Is Ethereum Centralized?

For the sake of this analysis, we’ll broadly define a centralized blockchain as follows: an environment where a single actor, or a handful of actors, can exert unilateral control over the platform’s day-to-day functioning and ongoing development.

Your own definition might vary somewhat, but I think we can all agree that a centralized blockchain is one that could a.) be easily taken over by governments or corporations, and/or b.) have its functionality and development unilaterally dictated by its core creators & development team. That’s not much of a desirable outcome…hence the need for decentralization!

With that in mind, let’s turn to some of the most common arguments maximalists make when talking about Ethereum’s supposed centralization. We’ll examine their claims and consider evidence to the contrary.

Claim: Ethereum’s nodes are centralized. It takes too long to sync them, and there aren’t enough of them.

According to etherscan, there are currently over 6000 unique Ethereum nodes spread around the globe. Ethernodes shows a higher figure of around 7500.

By way of comparison, Bitcoin’s node count is somewhat more robust, at around 11,000 nodes.

Does this higher node count mean that Ethereum is centralized, while Bitcoin is not? While more nodes is certainly better (all things considered equal), Ethereum’s node count appears to be sufficiently high to avoid network attacks; the blockchain’s five years of 100% uptime offers evidence of this robustness, evoking maximalists’ beloved Lindy effect. Also consider that Bitcoin itself has performed perfectly fine recently with node counts in the 8000’s.

To be sure, this isn’t exactly an apples-to-apples comparison; the two chains’ nodes are different in important ways. Nonetheless, the underlying point remains: if an attacker such as a well-funded nation-state attempted to disrupt the network with a sustained DDOS attack, they’d face a nearly insurmountable (but not impossible) task thanks to Ethereum’s global and decentralized node distribution.

Maximalists conflate Ethereum with blockchains that have clearly chosen to trade decentralization for scalability. NEO, for instance, has a grand total of seven consensus nodes, while EOS famously has just 21 nodes. Are they being disingenuous with this conflation, or are they simply not able to see the difference? It’s hard to say.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #4870 on: February 12, 2021, 05:26:31 PM »
This sounds awesome! With all the censorship happening Unstoppable Domains is the way to go!

https://www.financemagnates.com/cryptocurrency/news/okex-taps-unstoppable-domains-for-crypto-blockchain-wallets/#:~:text=Unlike%20with%20traditional%20domain%20registration,%20Unstoppable%20Domains%20are,registry%20enables%20censorship-resistant%20websites%20and%20simplifies%20cryptocurrency%20payments.

OKEx, which claimed over $15 billion of crypto trading volumes in the last 24 hours, has integrated with Unstoppable Domains, a company building blockchain domain names.

The cryptocurrency spot and derivatives exchange said the new partnership enables users to simplify deposit and withdrawal transactions through OKEx wallet. Rather than having to share a lengthy combination of letters and numbers to receive payment, users can simply provide a domain name, like jon.crypto or ema.zil.

OKEx further explained that another key benefit of this integration is that users can receive any cryptocurrency jointly supported by both firms to the same domain, instead of providing separate 40-character addresses for payment in different currencies.

Unlike with traditional domain registration, Unstoppable Domains are tied to a specific wallet but not controlled by any centralized outfit like governments or registrars of DNS domains. The .crypto blockchain domain registry enables censorship-resistant websites and simplifies cryptocurrency payments.

Unstoppable Domains has recently teamed up with Gemini Trust Company, the cryptocurrency exchange and custodian founded by the Winklevoss twins. Engaging a qualified crypto custodian would encourage traditional domain registrars to move into blockchain with this regulated custodian option.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #4871 on: February 12, 2021, 06:20:31 PM »
You can buy Ethereum along with Bitcoin and Cardano and AAVE on Coinbase. Coinbase does not yet offer Dogecoin. You can buy Dogecoin on Binance.us. I made over $12,000 in 4 hours when I sold Ethereum for Doge and then rode it up. I then sold some of my Doge back to USD and then bought back my original Ethereum investment. This was all done on Binance.us. So now I still had my +$12,000 profit and my original Ethereum. In fact I almost gained another 1 ETH in the process. I could have made a lot more if I had sold all my Ethereum for Doge but that was a risk I was not willing to take.

For me right now the goal is to get as much crypto as I can in this bull market. It is going to come down eventually and I want to take out profits before that happens so I can buy back in when it drops a lot. I regret not doing this in 2018 and 2019 because I was new to the crypto game.

Bitcoin is almost at $50,000 right now. Some predict it will hit $1 million. That means an increase of 20x. There are many cryptos out there right now that still have a 100x gain to be realized. Cardano for example has great potential and has outperformed Bitcoin and Ethereum the past year. Then there is VeChain (VET) that could go up by a lot.

I do want to acquire some Bitcoin but I have to compare how much Bitcoin is going to go up vs some of the other cryptos. Bitcoin is not going to make as big moves as some of the other smaller coins. If Bitcoin now goes to $100,000 that is only a little over 100% increase. Big whoop!

Meanwhile for ADA (Cardano) to go from $1 to $4 will be much easier. That's a 300% increase.

I will get into Bitcoin once I have maximized my gains in alts because big moves are easier there. Bitcoin will eventually be so expensive that big increases will be unlikely. The guys that got into Bitcoin years ago at low prices are sitting pretty. Someone getting into Bitcoin now will not have these same gains.

When I first heard of BTC I tried to sign up with Coinbase. In fact, I did and have my name and pw on one of my files. Then there was all this stuff about getting a wallet ... it just got too complicated and I didn't want to spend the time. On Cash App you just sign up for the money transfer service, just like Venmo or PayPal and you immediately have access to buying all the stocks including BTC. They tell you where it's at, on the way up or on the way down. I can buy any stock with the funds I have in my account, just like Venmo. Anything I sell goes immediately into my account. I have a Cash App debit card which I use very often. All so seamless and easy.

Then there's the hassle of trying to make a purchase using BTC. They tell me the dollar amount owed, now I have to figure out how much that translates into BTC, and it's constantly changing. And not only that, different sites have different conversion values. I use Coinbase and take a screenshot of the conversion. So then I send the BTC amount along with the screenshot of the conversion, and also a screenshot that it was approved in the Blockchain. But even that is sometimes not enough. I was buying some SARMS and the guy told me I was $50 short and sent me a screenshot of the conversion. His conversion. But that was like a day after I sent him my screenshot along with the BTC indicated on the exchange and a day is like an eternity in the BTC market as it fluctuates literally every single second.

I mean, seriously, who is going to do that? It's never going to be mainstream when there are so many other simpler and faster alternatives. I know some on this board say that cryptocurrency isn't really supposed to be used but just held on to. Right. Maybe for serious high-level investors that have enough money to just sit never to be used but not for the average folk with their 401k and such.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #4872 on: February 12, 2021, 06:52:32 PM »
When I first heard of BTC I tried to sign up with Coinbase. In fact, I did and have my name and pw on one of my files. Then there was all this stuff about getting a wallet ... it just got too complicated and I didn't want to spend the time. On Cash App you just sign up for the money transfer service, just like Venmo or PayPal and you immediately have access to buying all the stocks including BTC. They tell you where it's at, on the way up or on the way down. I can buy any stock with the funds I have in my account, just like Venmo. Anything I sell goes immediately into my account. I have a Cash App debit card which I use very often. All so seamless and easy.

Then there's the hassle of trying to make a purchase using BTC. They tell me the dollar amount owed, now I have to figure out how much that translates into BTC, and it's constantly changing. And not only that, different sites have different conversion values. I use Coinbase and take a screenshot of the conversion. So then I send the BTC amount along with the screenshot of the conversion, and also a screenshot that it was approved in the Blockchain. But even that is sometimes not enough. I was buying some SARMS and the guy told me I was $50 short and sent me a screenshot of the conversion. His conversion. But that was like a day after I sent him my screenshot along with the BTC indicated on the exchange and a day is like an eternity in the BTC market as it fluctuates literally every single second.

I mean, seriously, who is going to do that? It's never going to be mainstream when there are so many other simpler and faster alternatives. I know some on this board say that cryptocurrency isn't really supposed to be used but just held on to. Right. Maybe for serious high-level investors that have enough money to just sit never to be used but not for the average folk with their 401k and such.
Right now I am not interested in using cryptos to buy stuff with. That still needs to be developed. The time to invest in a technology is when all the kinks are still being worked out. By the time cryptos have been 100% integrated into payment systems it will be too late to make a ton of money off it.

I would suggest you see cryptos for the moment as a hedge against inflation with the dollar losing its value. Also note that different exchanges will have different prices for Bitcoin, Ethereum and others. For example Coinbase, Binance, Kraken, Coinmarket Cap, Coinranking etc. will all have slightly different realtime prices. But we are talking a few dollar up or down. I would not get too caught up in that.

I think the focus should be to make an entry into crypto and then start trading a little back and forth between cryptos. You have to watch news cycles and chart analysis to gauge how to hop from one crypto to another. You can increase your crypto holdings this way over time. But you have to be careful because you could lose holdings as well. Or you can just buy some promising cryptos and hold it long term and forget about it for a few years. There are a lot of shitcoins out there that will go nowhere. I don't think Cardano is one of them.

Read up on Cardano and watch some videos. It looks extremely promising and could be some real competition for Ethereum. Anything could happen but there's a vast market for Ethereum, Cardano, Polkadot and a few others. Decentralization is going to be important moving forward. You could have a home loan on either of those blockchains. Or insurance and numerous other applications. Cardano is still under $1 and has not hit an all time high yet. I think it is not unrealistic to expect Cardano to hit $9-10 even in this market cycle. Long term it could go higher. You can get over 1000 ADA for $1000.

I'd rather have 1000 ADA than $1000 with the way the dollar is going with all the QE going on. That's just me. But realize cryptos will go up and down just like stocks. Traders are only human and some will take profits along the way. Somewhere out there are BTC holders with balls of steel that never sold their holdings for over a decade. I am sure they are glad that they never sold when Bitcoin was $1000 and now have a lot more options with Bitcoin priced close to $50,000.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #4873 on: February 12, 2021, 08:58:19 PM »
Ethereum is just itching to go over $1,900 and then $2,000. Today it already went up to $1,871. Would be great if it hit $2000 by Sunday! And then on to $20k!  8)


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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #4874 on: February 12, 2021, 09:12:47 PM »