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« Reply #4879 on: February 12, 2021, 10:56:43 PM »
BTC leads the market so that is what needs to be considered first.

I think there is a very large question mark over growth possibility.

The usual progression is diminishing returns along a timeline. In BTC’s case it’s massive 12,000% in 2013 then 2,700% 2017 so arguably it should be less in 2021......

However one needs to consider the timeline and where we sit. Are we at the start? Middle? End?

If one suggests we are at the end, absolutely we would see greatly diminished returns in 2021. However if we are at the start, you cannot be confident in that outcome. It is extremely easy for growth to outperform a previous year in this instance.

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« Reply #4880 on: February 12, 2021, 11:26:49 PM »


ETH is dead on arrival because of the centralized development and decisions to observe the cult of Vitalik.  Forrtunately it has spawned some good experimentation and the baby DeFi is something to behold, all of which can be replicated on the bitcoin network's Rootstock sidechain, some fortunes will be made here for sure
RootStock can do everything ETH can do ... except uses bitcoins natively.

Which do you think Institutions will use to do DeFi when they are loaded up with Bitcoin?

A Bitcoin maximalist referring to Ethereum as a 'cult'?  ;D

Stablecoins such as USDC uses Ethereum and central banks will be issuing their own central bank digital currency (CBDC) in the future. Several central banks are experimenting with using Ethereum for their CBDC, working directly with a company owned by a co-founder of Ethereum.

And tokenised Bitcoin...uses Ethereum.

Bitcoin and many cryptocurrencies including Ether have been too volatile to use as currencies for payments and daily transactions.

For a currency, the most important element is stability, with low volatility. This is particularly important for businesses who need to plan ahead for orders, stock, shipments, equipment etc. This is where stablecoins come in, as they can be pegged to a currency or even a basket of currencies and can be used anywhere in the world.

Furthermore, like any market there will be several currencies and commodities.

Regarding the video, Raoul Pal is bullish on Ethereum, Lyn Alden is more neutral but still sees potential for Ethereum if their development stays on track. They are both bullish on stablecoins.

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« Reply #4881 on: February 12, 2021, 11:48:37 PM »
Right now I am not interested in using cryptos to buy stuff with. That still needs to be developed. The time to invest in a technology is when all the kinks are still being worked out. By the time cryptos have been 100% integrated into payment systems it will be too late to make a ton of money off it.

I would suggest you see cryptos for the moment as a hedge against inflation with the dollar losing its value. Also note that different exchanges will have different prices for Bitcoin, Ethereum and others. For example Coinbase, Binance, Kraken, Coinmarket Cap, Coinranking etc. will all have slightly different realtime prices. But we are talking a few dollar up or down. I would not get too caught up in that.

I think the focus should be to make an entry into crypto and then start trading a little back and forth between cryptos. You have to watch news cycles and chart analysis to gauge how to hop from one crypto to another. You can increase your crypto holdings this way over time. But you have to be careful because you could lose holdings as well. Or you can just buy some promising cryptos and hold it long term and forget about it for a few years. There are a lot of shitcoins out there that will go nowhere. I don't think Cardano is one of them.

Read up on Cardano and watch some videos. It looks extremely promising and could be some real competition for Ethereum. Anything could happen but there's a vast market for Ethereum, Cardano, Polkadot and a few others. Decentralization is going to be important moving forward. You could have a home loan on either of those blockchains. Or insurance and numerous other applications. Cardano is still under $1 and has not hit an all time high yet. I think it is not unrealistic to expect Cardano to hit $9-10 even in this market cycle. Long term it could go higher. You can get over 1000 ADA for $1000.

I'd rather have 1000 ADA than $1000 with the way the dollar is going with all the QE going on. That's just me. But realize cryptos will go up and down just like stocks. Traders are only human and some will take profits along the way. Somewhere out there are BTC holders with balls of steel that never sold their holdings for over a decade. I am sure they are glad that they never sold when Bitcoin was $1000 and now have a lot more options with Bitcoin priced close to $50,000.

I'm talking about the average person. Someone can't just stash away money for ten years but may actually need in an emergency or when there is a good buying opportunity. So, you, and most here, don't care about that but if cryptos are going to be mainstream and increase in value they have to appeal to the masses. I don't hang around with big investors so in my circle of friends and acquaintances there is not a single person that is familiar with cryptos. They have heard of BTC but don't have a clue really what it is and what you do with it. You can tell me not to worry about the fluctuations in prices among various exchanges but it's not me you should be telling that to. It's to the retailer that comes back to me with his price which force me to go through the whole process again and send him the balance due that wasn't there just one day before.

And if you think the casual investor is going to watch videos and "read up" on this authority or that authority it isn't going to happen. Most people are just so busy with their jobs and rating and family and taking in an occasional Netflix episode. They know to buy Apple, Amazon, and FedEx but they can't make sense out of cryptos. I can't make sense of it. A guy is on a computer and "mines" a coin and we decide to give it value. Were these "coins" stashed away in a virtual cyber mountain before there was even an internet or they just appeared when Al Gore invented the internet and someone said what a neat mathematical algorithm this is and so lets give it value?

Of course, you can just say "Then they just lose out." just like many, many who are quite successful, don't bother with stocks and trading. But if it never becomes mainstream like real stocks I don't see how it can grow and it will hit a ceiling fast.

Wallets, Coinbase, value changes by the second, passwords that are impossible to remember and can never be retrieved. OK. People will be all over that.

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« Reply #4882 on: February 13, 2021, 12:33:38 AM »
I'm talking about the average person. Someone can't just stash away money for ten years but may actually need in an emergency or when there is a good buying opportunity. So, you, and most here, don't care about that but if cryptos are going to be mainstream and increase in value they have to appeal to the masses. I don't hang around with big investors so in my circle of friends and acquaintances there is not a single person that is familiar with cryptos. They have heard of BTC but don't have a clue really what it is and what you do with it. You can tell me not to worry about the fluctuations in prices among various exchanges but it's not me you should be telling that to. It's to the retailer that comes back to me with his price which force me to go through the whole process again and send him the balance due that wasn't there just one day before.

And if you think the casual investor is going to watch videos and "read up" on this authority or that authority it isn't going to happen. Most people are just so busy with their jobs and rating and family and taking in an occasional Netflix episode. They know to buy Apple, Amazon, and FedEx but they can't make sense out of cryptos. I can't make sense of it. A guy is on a computer and "mines" a coin and we decide to give it value. Were these "coins" stashed away in a virtual cyber mountain before there was even an internet or they just appeared when Al Gore invented the internet and someone said what a neat mathematical algorithm this is and so lets give it value?

Of course, you can just say "Then they just lose out." just like many, many who are quite successful, don't bother with stocks and trading. But if it never becomes mainstream like real stocks I don't see how it can grow and it will hit a ceiling fast.

Wallets, Coinbase, value changes by the second, passwords that are impossible to remember and can never be retrieved. OK. People will be all over that.

You're right. I'll let everyone know to sell today. Thanks for saving us all from making a huge mistake. I'm donating all.my profits to something more.improtant  like that chick that used gorilla glue on her head.

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« Reply #4883 on: February 13, 2021, 02:27:06 AM »
https://decrypt.co/57629/bitcoin-ethereum-8-billion-market-mbtc?&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=feed&utm_source=coinmarketcap

As Bitcoin on Ethereum Tops $8 Billion, Another Player Enters the Market

As of today, there’s 173,032 Bitcoin on Ethereum, the equivalent to 3.74% of Ethereum’s market cap, or $8.2 billion. And $6 billion of that is in just one currency: wBTC, also known as Wrapped Bitcoin.

Now another company wants to take a crack at the growing market.

mStable, a self-described “meta-stablecoin” company, today launched mBTC, a cryptocurrency pegged to the price of stablecoins pegged to the price of Bitcoin. It’s the company’s second stablecoin following the launch of mUSD in May.

Bitcoin stablecoins are cryptocurrencies, usually based on Ethereum, that are pegged to the price of Bitcoin. Although the value of these stablecoins is just as volatile as Bitcoin, they are always worth the same as Bitcoin.

They’re minted so that Bitcoiners can invest their wealth in Ethereum’s decentralized finance smart contracts, such as lending protocols and non-custodial exchanges.

But if Ethereum’s market already has access to Bitcoin stablecoins, what’s the point of mStable, a meta-stablecoin?

The benefit of mStable comes from its structure, the company said: its value is pegged to a basket of all these Bitcoin stablecoins.

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« Reply #4884 on: February 13, 2021, 10:48:24 AM »
I'm talking about the average person. Someone can't just stash away money for ten years but may actually need in an emergency or when there is a good buying opportunity. So, you, and most here, don't care about that but if cryptos are going to be mainstream and increase in value they have to appeal to the masses. I don't hang around with big investors so in my circle of friends and acquaintances there is not a single person that is familiar with cryptos. They have heard of BTC but don't have a clue really what it is and what you do with it. You can tell me not to worry about the fluctuations in prices among various exchanges but it's not me you should be telling that to. It's to the retailer that comes back to me with his price which force me to go through the whole process again and send him the balance due that wasn't there just one day before.

And if you think the casual investor is going to watch videos and "read up" on this authority or that authority it isn't going to happen. Most people are just so busy with their jobs and rating and family and taking in an occasional Netflix episode. They know to buy Apple, Amazon, and FedEx but they can't make sense out of cryptos. I can't make sense of it. A guy is on a computer and "mines" a coin and we decide to give it value. Were these "coins" stashed away in a virtual cyber mountain before there was even an internet or they just appeared when Al Gore invented the internet and someone said what a neat mathematical algorithm this is and so lets give it value?

Of course, you can just say "Then they just lose out." just like many, many who are quite successful, don't bother with stocks and trading. But if it never becomes mainstream like real stocks I don't see how it can grow and it will hit a ceiling fast.

Wallets, Coinbase, value changes by the second, passwords that are impossible to remember and can never be retrieved. OK. People will be all over that.

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That was posted 2 months before btc subsequent bull run. It was MONEY pushing the price  to ATHs. Not your mom and pop investors.  This is why you will see a wave of BIG MONEY start allocating their balance sheets into btc.

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« Reply #4885 on: February 13, 2021, 11:02:00 AM »
https://www.coindesk.com/market-wrap-ether-price-bitcoin-futures

Ether Sets New Highs as Bitcoin Stays Below $49K

The price of bitcoin struggled to regain $49,000 Friday, continuing to bounce between $48,000 and $46,000 heading into the weekend.

As bitcoin contemplated which way to go, ether made a new all-time high above $1,850.

Since CME’s futures launch, ether has rallied over 12%. The product has had a quiet start, with less than $200 million worth of contracts traded this week. In contrast, Binance’s ether futures have traded nearly $40 billion worth this week.

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« Reply #4886 on: February 13, 2021, 12:06:44 PM »
Unfortunately, no one responded to this post and the stock went up ~33% this week, I’ll take another shot. How ‘bout it? The other one like it is MARA:


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« Reply #4887 on: February 13, 2021, 12:57:02 PM »
https://www.coindesk.com/market-wrap-ether-price-bitcoin-futures

Ether Sets New Highs as Bitcoin Stays Below $49K

The price of bitcoin struggled to regain $49,000 Friday, continuing to bounce between $48,000 and $46,000 heading into the weekend.

As bitcoin contemplated which way to go, ether made a new all-time high above $1,850.

Since CME’s futures launch, ether has rallied over 12%. The product has had a quiet start, with less than $200 million worth of contracts traded this week. In contrast, Binance’s ether futures have traded nearly $40 billion worth this week.

BTC is still too active for ETH to really rocket. We probably see BTC at 55k dragging ETH kicking and screaming to 2.1k. Then perhaps BTC settles and ETH can go to 3k.

We have seen BTC rocket, alt coins rocket, we really are due for an ETH rocket.

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« Reply #4888 on: February 13, 2021, 02:01:46 PM »
You're right. I'll let everyone know to sell today. Thanks for saving us all from making a huge mistake. I'm donating all.my profits to something more.improtant  like that chick that used gorilla glue on her head.

My point seems to have sailed blissfully over your head. I am pro BTC and want it to be successful. I am making the argument that it has to be more user friendly if it is ever going really grow. I mean, a lot of people today have trouble using their cc at the register. They are not going to bother with something like BTC the way it is today.

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« Reply #4889 on: February 13, 2021, 02:02:50 PM »
My point seems to have sailed blissfully over your head. I am pro BTC and want it to be successful. I am making the argument that it has to be more user friendly if it is ever going really grow. I mean, a lot of people today have trouble using their cc at the register. They are not going to bother with something like BTC the way it is today.

Ill say. What a pain in the ass it is to get btc

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« Reply #4890 on: February 13, 2021, 02:46:36 PM »
I'm talking about the average person. Someone can't just stash away money for ten years but may actually need in an emergency or when there is a good buying opportunity. So, you, and most here, don't care about that but if cryptos are going to be mainstream and increase in value they have to appeal to the masses. I don't hang around with big investors so in my circle of friends and acquaintances there is not a single person that is familiar with cryptos. They have heard of BTC but don't have a clue really what it is and what you do with it. You can tell me not to worry about the fluctuations in prices among various exchanges but it's not me you should be telling that to. It's to the retailer that comes back to me with his price which force me to go through the whole process again and send him the balance due that wasn't there just one day before.

And if you think the casual investor is going to watch videos and "read up" on this authority or that authority it isn't going to happen. Most people are just so busy with their jobs and rating and family and taking in an occasional Netflix episode. They know to buy Apple, Amazon, and FedEx but they can't make sense out of cryptos. I can't make sense of it. A guy is on a computer and "mines" a coin and we decide to give it value. Were these "coins" stashed away in a virtual cyber mountain before there was even an internet or they just appeared when Al Gore invented the internet and someone said what a neat mathematical algorithm this is and so lets give it value?

Of course, you can just say "Then they just lose out." just like many, many who are quite successful, don't bother with stocks and trading. But if it never becomes mainstream like real stocks I don't see how it can grow and it will hit a ceiling fast.

Wallets, Coinbase, value changes by the second, passwords that are impossible to remember and can never be retrieved. OK. People will be all over that.
I'm trying to help. You don't have to stash the money away for 10 years. Let's say you get 0.21 BTC ($10,000) worth of Bitcoin today @ $47,000 per Bitcoin. At the end of the year 1 Bitcoin is now worth $100,000. That means your 0.21 BTC is now not worth $10,000 but worth $100,000 / $47,000 = 2.127 x $10,000 =  $21,276.59

You can then cash out your original $10,000 investment and keep $11,276.59 on the house. That money could grow to more if Bitcoin goes higher because it would be denominated in BTC.

Stocks also change by the second. That's a given.

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« Reply #4891 on: February 13, 2021, 02:49:59 PM »
My point seems to have sailed blissfully over your head. I am pro BTC and want it to be successful. I am making the argument that it has to be more user friendly if it is ever going really grow. I mean, a lot of people today have trouble using their cc at the register. They are not going to bother with something like BTC the way it is today.
As I have said before it will become more user friendly. Meanwhile the price of Bitcoin and other digital assets will keep going up. Why do you want to buy into cryptos when all the user friendly issues have been resolved? By then the price will be very high and you will not have made any profits. You need to get in on the second or third level since the ground level has already been left behind.

I wish I bought Amazon, Tesla and Nvidia stocks at the ground level. I kept holding off and now look at the price of their shares.

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« Reply #4892 on: February 13, 2021, 02:53:46 PM »
Pellius, just be careful. Crypotos can wreck you as well since the market is very volatile I agree with you on that part. The price of Bitcoin and other Cryptos will correct at some point. I'd hate for you to dump money into this and then the investment loses money and you sell at the bottom.

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« Reply #4893 on: February 13, 2021, 03:05:56 PM »
As I have said before it will become more user friendly. Meanwhile the price of Bitcoin and other digital assets will keep going up. Why do you want to buy into cryptos when all the user friendly issues have been resolved? By then the price will be very high and you will not have made any profits. You need to get in on the second or third level since the ground level has already been left behind.

I wish I bought Amazon, Tesla and Nvidia stocks at the ground level. I kept holding off and now look at the price of their shares.

Wouldn’t the blockchain be the more accessible play? Moreover, from my understanding, they’ll grow regardless of which Crypto takes off.

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« Reply #4894 on: February 13, 2021, 03:36:37 PM »
Wouldn’t the blockchain be the more accessible play? Moreover, from my understanding, they’ll grow regardless of which Crypto takes off.
Depends on Bitcoin's price and mining difficulty. MARA was highly profitable the past year and outpaced most cryptos. Except for a few like Dogecoin!  ;D

But MARA will decline if the price of Bitcoin corrects or as the mining difficulty increases - which it will.

https://investorplace.com/moneywire/2021/01/marathon-patent-mara-stock-is-not-a-wise-play-even-for-crypto-bulls/

MARA Stock Soars
And so we’ve seen MARA post rallies that have dramatically outpaced that of Bitcoin itself.

As I write this, Bitcoin in dollars has rallied 268% over the past year. MARA is up a staggering 1,844%. Over the last three months, the underlying currency has spiked 158%; MARA’s returns are over 500%.

In theory, the outperformance of the stock makes some sense. Again, MARA is leveraged to the price of Bitcoin. Marathon Patent has agreements for fixed electricity costs at its Hardin, Montana mine. Operating expenses will rise with the price, but certainly not at the same rate. If Bitcoin’s price in dollars doubles, Marathon Patent’s expenses will increase at a far slower rate.

But that theoretical case doesn’t necessarily explain the vast divergence. Even Marathon itself has highlighted a pair of incredible spikes in its most recent investor presentation.

From July 17 to Aug. 17 of last year, MARA gained 313% on the back of a 34% climb in Bitcoin. From Nov. 20 to Dec. 22, MARA posted almost the same return (312%), while Bitcoin gained just 28%.

Those moves don’t look like good news. They look like investors flooding a stock and boosting it well beyond any reasonable valuation.

A Lot to Prove

Indeed, Marathon Patent took advantage of the December spike to sell $250 million of its stock. Chief executive officer Merrick Okamoto sold $12 million of his own stake around the same time.

Now, the equity offering is raising capital. And I won’t begrudge Okamoto for taking some money off the table. But it’s at least fair to ask why management isn’t quite as bullish about MARA stock as so many investors seem to be at the moment.

But that’s not the biggest problem. The biggest problem is that Marathon Patent hasn’t done anything yet. Its investor presentation highlights huge potential profit out in the future, but current results are piddling. Marathon generated less than $1 million in revenue in the third quarter. Its huge rig order won’t be delivered until the second half of this year at the earliest.

Meanwhile, the company’s profit projections include one significant disclaimer: the so-called “difficulty rate.” Marathon is saying, basically, that if the amount of Bitcoin it can mine holds steady, it will make a lot of money. But that’s not how Bitcoin works. The difficulty rate has gone up over time, and it will likely continue to do so.

If it does, Marathon’s profits aren’t nearly as big as its charts — showing potentially $50 million per month in gross profit — suggest. They’re likely not even close. And the big outperformance in MARA stock of late is not pricing in that outcome.

To be fair, this can work. But I’m far from convinced. This is a former “patent troll” (hence the corporate name) that pivoted to Bitcoin mining when its old business model flamed out. I’d like to see some evidence that the new one is working before I consider recommending MARA stock instead of Bitcoin itself.

On the date of publication, neither Matt McCall nor the InvestorPlace Research Staff member primarily responsible for this article held (either directly or indirectly) any positions in the securities mentioned in the article.

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« Reply #4895 on: February 13, 2021, 07:06:46 PM »
Thanks. How about this one? This is not something I would invest serious money in. But taking a flyer for a few grand why not?



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« Reply #4896 on: February 13, 2021, 07:26:17 PM »
I'm trying to help. You don't have to stash the money away for 10 years. Let's say you get 0.21 BTC ($10,000) worth of Bitcoin today @ $47,000 per Bitcoin. At the end of the year 1 Bitcoin is now worth $100,000. That means your 0.21 BTC is now not worth $10,000 but worth $100,000 / $47,000 = 2.127 x $10,000 =  $21,276.59

You can then cash out your original $10,000 investment and keep $11,276.59 on the house. That money could grow to more if Bitcoin goes higher because it would be denominated in BTC.

Stocks also change by the second. That's a given.

Hah! Don't get me wrong. I have great hopes for BTC and it's been good to me. I ain't high rollers like you guys and put in a grand when it was at 31,000 just a couple of months ago.  Easy money. Now I'm trying learn more about since I think this the real deal. Right now I think the main problem is accessibility and ease of use. You investment guys are a tiny minority. I'm looking at the average Joe that can handle a smartphone. The more people buying in the higher the value. And the big money is always in the middle class.

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« Reply #4897 on: February 13, 2021, 07:36:57 PM »
Hah! Don't get me wrong. I have great hopes for BTC and it's been good to me. I ain't high rollers like you guys and put in a grand when it was at 31,000 just a couple of months ago.  Easy money. Now I'm trying learn more about since I think this the real deal. Right now I think the main problem is accessibility and ease of use. You investment guys are a tiny minority. I'm looking at the average Joe that can handle a smartphone. The more people buying in the higher the value. And the big money is always in the middle class.

The difficulty in understanding BTC is why you should be getting in now. PayPay, Visa, and the retail banks will "dumb it down" and make it easy for the masses. By then though, being a one-coiner will be out of reach for many, and the masses will be a treadmill cycle for working for and being paid in Satoshies on a real time basis.

I have told you before. BUY. HODL. The rest will take care of itself.

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« Reply #4898 on: February 13, 2021, 07:40:30 PM »
Pellius, just be careful. Crypotos can wreck you as well since the market is very volatile I agree with you on that part. The price of Bitcoin and other Cryptos will correct at some point. I'd hate for you to dump money into this and then the investment loses money and you sell at the bottom.

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« Reply #4899 on: February 13, 2021, 08:07:00 PM »
What a pain in the ass it is to get btc

This is why you should some now. Early bird catches the worm. It will be dumbed down and made easy for the masses in due course...