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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #4950 on: February 15, 2021, 04:26:57 PM »
It’s nothing fancy.

In my country we have to lodge our tax return. I can delay my lodgement for say 1-2yrs without any issue.

let’s say I owe $1M from an asset sale. Instead of lodging on time I delay that for 1yr. I take out a loan which has an offset account attached (money in the offset deducts the interest eg 100k in offset subtracts 100k from the principle therefore I get 100k with no interest attached) and then I use money elsewhere for what is effectively an interest free loan. Do that for 1-2yrs without any major
Problems. If you start to go over that the tax office will charge interest which is generally at a market rate.

In saying that you still need to be careful what you do with the tax money so you don’t lose it.


Some people in 2017 sold their BTC into ripple or something else thinking they avoided tax. Next thing they get a 5M tax bill from the tax authorities who have their sale details from the regulated exchange. To make it worse some of them were in coins that crashed and the tax year refreshed so they couldn’t declare their losses against the 5M so they wound up having a paltry amount instead of the 5M.

If you have small tiny amounts it probably isn’t a problem. 5k they may not look into. The risk is if they do flag you then you repay the tax PLUS a fine which might be larger than the tax.

But wait one moment. If you didn't realize the gains in dollars how can you be taxed on any of it? I cant pay taxes in xrp or buy anything else with xrp ,so how can the tax collector collect tax on a crypto currency that hasn't been converted to dollars and still.sits on an exchange?

Or did you mean to say they cashed out their xrp and had to pay taxes, because that seems to make alot more sense.

I'm still not sure what loans youre talking about with offset accounts? Can you give some examples? Thank you.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #4951 on: February 15, 2021, 04:56:38 PM »

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« Reply #4952 on: February 15, 2021, 05:13:26 PM »
But wait one moment. If you didn't realize the gains in dollars how can you be taxed on any of it? I cant pay taxes in xrp or buy anything else with xrp ,so how can the tax collector collect tax on a crypto currency that hasn't been converted to dollars and still.sits on an exchange?

Or did you mean to say they cashed out their xrp and had to pay taxes, because that seems to make alot more sense.

I'm still not sure what loans youre talking about with offset accounts? Can you give some examples? Thank you.

See this is where a heap of people got wrecked thinking that because they didn’t exit to fiat then it technically has no value.

We are trading on regulated exchanges, not at a garage sale.

It is all reported and tracked. Everything has a value. If you purchased XRP with your BTC at 12pm Sunday then at 12pm a Sunday your BTC was valued at $48,500 on the exchange and that is it’s sell value for tax purposes.

People got utterly wrecked thinking by not going into fiat they avoided taxes. You get a tax bill because you exited the asset which can be tracked and assigned a value to your purchase price. It doesn’t matter what you move into whether that is fiat, crypto, tether, gold because the time you exit your holding is when it is assigned a value in currency and tax is applied.

The only way around the system is to keep out of the system. Or buy stuff with crypto and send it to a wallet but even then the wallet to wallet transfers will be banned shortly as the price increases.

Like I have said here many times, if you want BTC to 1M then you need regulation in order to get the wealthy to come and play. Regulation is a bull flag!


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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #4953 on: February 15, 2021, 05:44:29 PM »
https://cointelegraph.com/news/ethereum-fundamentals-signal-2-000-eth-price-is-closer-than-it-seems

In the early hours of Feb. 15, Ether (ETH) price plunged to $1,660, followed by a 9% recovery within 10 hours. The move triggered $280 million in futures contracts liquidations, indicating excessive leverage from longs.

Although the initial anxiety regarding CME's ETH futures launch on Feb. 8 seems to have faded, sustained excessive transaction fees might have undermined investors' confidence. Nevertheless, the fundamentals behind Ethereum remain solid, indicating ETH price should promptly recover from eventual dips.

Even though the above metric might be interpreted positively, not every user can afford a $12 fee. A simple token swap on decentralized exchanges (DEX) can cost hundreds of dollars in gas fees, leaving small traders no choice but to abandon the network.

Multiple proponents are testing sharding and layer-two solutions to circumvent this issue, including Skale and Optimistic Network. Eth2 will use sharding to split the blockchain into several parts and increase the number of transactions the network can process at once.

Total value locked remains in an uptrend

The phenomenal growth of total value locked (TVL) in decentralized finance projects can't be disregarded. The adjusted metric attempts to clean readings from ETH price increases, therefore providing more reliable data.

As depicted above, the 34% increase over the past 30 days falls in line with ETH's 38% gain in February. Regardless of the transaction fees, there is still value created by automated market-making pools and staking mechanisms.

To better understand whether the recent crash reflects a potential local top and subsequent downtrend movement, one needs further data. Besides price action and technical analysis, investors should also gauge on-chain metrics such as network use. An excellent place to start is analyzing transactions and transfer value.

Coin Metrics data shows the 14-day average transactions and transfers rallying above $9 billion in daily transactions, a 32% increase from the previous month. This significant increase in transaction and transfer value signals strength and suggests that Ether's price is sustainable at the current levels.

Exchange withdrawals indicate long-term holding

Although there is no consensus among analysts on the short-term price impact of exchange withdrawals, its effect is either neutral or bullish. The opposite movement, large continuous inflows, is the only bearish scenario, as it indicates holders' willingness to sell.


ETH/USD price (black) vs. exchanges ETH reserve (red). Source: CryptoQuant

From Jan. 1 to Feb. 15, roughly 600,000 ETH was withdrawn from exchanges. Regardless of if whales are transferring to cold wallets or putting Ether into the DeFi ecosystem, those coins are less likely to be sold in the short term.

Considering this movement happened while Ethereum made a $1,870 all-time high, the indicator indicates holders' confidence.

To conclude, based on both on-chain metrics and trading perspective, there are encouraging signals that $2,000 is within reach and that dips are being bought up aggressively.

The views and opinions expressed here are solely those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the views of Cointelegraph. Every investment and trading move involves risk. You should conduct your own research when making a decision.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #4954 on: February 15, 2021, 05:47:17 PM »
Bullish on stablecoins??? For usage as a utility yes. For increase in value, NO. Their whole inherent value proposition is that they stay "stable" as an exact peg to a fiat currency. So their usage will go up, but their value will actually drop over time, Ie - it will over time cost more in a stable coin, to buy the same Bitcoin.

Eth is a utility. Not a store of value. That does not stop some confusing the two though and trading Eth like a store of value. Which is what we are seeing occur now, and markets get frothy.
You are Ethereum's Mr. Anabolic!  ;D

If Ethereum hits $5,000 we can start a new thread similar to the Bitcoin one!  ;)

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« Reply #4955 on: February 15, 2021, 06:06:33 PM »
You are Ethereum's Mr. Anabolic!  ;D

If Ethereum hits $5,000 we can start a new thread similar to the Bitcoin one!  ;)

ETH to 5k-6k before year end.
ETH to 20k very early 2022.

Followed by a huge dump lol.

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« Reply #4956 on: February 15, 2021, 06:58:24 PM »
See this is where a heap of people got wrecked thinking that because they didn’t exit to fiat then it technically has no value.

We are trading on regulated exchanges, not at a garage sale.

It is all reported and tracked. Everything has a value. If you purchased XRP with your BTC at 12pm Sunday then at 12pm a Sunday your BTC was valued at $48,500 on the exchange and that is it’s sell value for tax purposes.

People got utterly wrecked thinking by not going into fiat they avoided taxes. You get a tax bill because you exited the asset which can be tracked and assigned a value to your purchase price. It doesn’t matter what you move into whether that is fiat, crypto, tether, gold because the time you exit your holding is when it is assigned a value in currency and tax is applied.

The only way around the system is to keep out of the system. Or buy stuff with crypto and send it to a wallet but even then the wallet to wallet transfers will be banned shortly as the price increases.

Like I have said here many times, if you want BTC to 1M then you need regulation in order to get the wealthy to come and play. Regulation is a bull flag!


That doesn't seem right. Not saying you're  wrong but if thats how the system works that doesn't seem proper.

If I want to exchange 1000 btc worth a total of $1000  for $ 1000 worth of xrp, no profit was realized. The same dollar value of coins was just exchanged  for another.  How could they tax when no gain was realized?

I cant exchange btc directly into xrp on my exchange. I need to convert to dollars and then buy xrp. I didn't take out any dollars from the exchange at all for that transaction.

I dont think they should be able to tax you unless you sold the xrp at a price that was higher than what you originally bought the btc for. That would make alot more sense. No?




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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #4957 on: February 15, 2021, 07:48:54 PM »



I dont think they should be able to tax you unless you sold the xrp at a price that was higher than what you originally bought the btc for. That would make alot more sense. No?



Unintentionally hilarious.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #4958 on: February 15, 2021, 08:20:37 PM »
Bitcoin crossed over 50K just a few minutes ago.

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« Reply #4959 on: February 15, 2021, 08:27:30 PM »


Unintentionally hilarious.

 ;D  I'm actually trying 

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« Reply #4960 on: February 15, 2021, 08:50:55 PM »
You are Ethereum's Mr. Anabolic!  ;D

If Ethereum hits $5,000 we can start a new thread similar to the Bitcoin one!  ;)

 :D

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« Reply #4961 on: February 15, 2021, 09:07:43 PM »
;D  I'm actually trying

LOL I have absolutely zero idea how you came to the conclusion you did.

Step 1- Make profit
Step 2- get charged tax on profit
Step 3- pay tax bill

If you don’t make a profit you are not charged tax.

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« Reply #4962 on: February 15, 2021, 09:42:52 PM »
It’s nothing fancy.

In my country we have to lodge our tax return. I can delay my lodgement for say 1-2yrs without any issue.

let’s say I owe $1M from an asset sale. Instead of lodging on time I delay that for 1yr. I take out a loan which has an offset account attached (money in the offset deducts the interest eg 100k in offset subtracts 100k from the principle therefore I get 100k with no interest attached) and then I use money elsewhere for what is effectively an interest free loan. Do that for 1-2yrs without any major
Problems. If you start to go over that the tax office will charge interest which is generally at a market rate.

In saying that you still need to be careful what you do with the tax money so you don’t lose it.


Some people in 2017 sold their BTC into ripple or something else thinking they avoided tax. Next thing they get a 5M tax bill from the tax authorities who have their sale details from the regulated exchange. To make it worse some of them were in coins that crashed and the tax year refreshed so they couldn’t declare their losses against the 5M so they wound up having a paltry amount instead of the 5M.

If you have small tiny amounts it probably isn’t a problem. 5k they may not look into. The risk is if they do flag you then you repay the tax PLUS a fine which might be larger than the tax.

Australian?

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« Reply #4963 on: February 15, 2021, 10:33:56 PM »

It is all reported and tracked. Everything has a value. If you purchased XRP with your BTC at 12pm Sunday then at 12pm a Sunday your BTC was valued at $48,500 on the exchange and that is it’s sell value for tax purposes.

The only way around the system is to keep out of the system. Or buy stuff with crypto and send it to a wallet but even then the wallet to wallet transfers will be banned shortly as the price increases.


I need to correct this. There are many, like myself, who based ourselves and our assets in tax friendly countries. For example, HK, Singapore, Cayman Islands, Malta, etc. Some of these locations expressly do not tax on capital gains. Others simply turn a blind eye to off-shore income.

But yes, if you are using regulated exchanges, and you are in a jurisdiction that taxes such gains as either income or capital gains, then yet your comments are correct.

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« Reply #4964 on: February 16, 2021, 12:28:44 AM »
I need to correct this. There are many, like myself, who based ourselves and our assets in tax friendly countries. For example, HK, Singapore, Cayman Islands, Malta, etc. Some of these locations expressly do not tax on capital gains. Others simply turn a blind eye to off-shore income.

But yes, if you are using regulated exchanges, and you are in a jurisdiction that taxes such gains as either income or capital gains, then yet your comments are correct.

What is amusing is being charged a capital gains tax on something that many people say will be made illegal one day it it gets too big and threatens the reserve curremcy.

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« Reply #4965 on: February 16, 2021, 12:31:30 AM »
Australian?

That's my guess. I'd still like to know what loans allow for an offset account, or is that vice versa?  Thats not very clear to me unless he means an offset account is some type of business account where you can take out a loan and use the gains from the crypto as a tax exemption on the loan gains?

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« Reply #4966 on: February 16, 2021, 12:43:26 AM »
LOL I have absolutely zero idea how you came to the conclusion you did.


If you slept as little as I did these last couple of weeks, it would make perfect sense.  ;D

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« Reply #4967 on: February 16, 2021, 05:06:12 AM »
ETH to 5k-6k before year end.
ETH to 20k very early 2022.

Followed by a huge dump lol.

You reckon the crypto bull market could continue till 2022?

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« Reply #4968 on: February 16, 2021, 05:21:42 AM »
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-56012952

Bitcoin consumes 'more electricity than Argentina'

Bitcoin uses more electricity annually than the whole of Argentina, analysis by Cambridge University suggests.

"Mining" for the cryptocurrency is power-hungry, involving heavy computer calculations to verify transactions.

Cambridge researchers say it consumes around 121.36 terawatt-hours (TWh) a year - and is unlikely to fall unless the value of the currency slumps.

Critics say electric-car firm Tesla's decision to invest heavily in Bitcoin undermines its environmental image.

The currency's value hit a record $48,000 (£34,820) this week. following Tesla's announcement that it had bought about $1.5bn bitcoin and planned to accept it as payment in future.

But the rising price offers even more incentive to Bitcoin miners to run more and more machines.

And as the price increases, so does the energy consumption, according to Michel Rauchs, researcher at The Cambridge Centre for Alternative Finance, who co-created the online tool that generates these estimates.

“It is really by design that Bitcoin consumes that much electricity,” Mr Rauchs told BBC’s Tech Tent podcast. “This is not something that will change in the future unless the Bitcoin price is going to significantly go down."

The online tool has ranked Bitcoin’s electricity consumption above Argentina (121 TWh), the Netherlands (108.8 TWh) and the United Arab Emirates (113.20 TWh) - and it is gradually creeping up on Norway (122.20 TWh).

The energy it uses could power all kettles used in the UK for 27 years, it said.

Environmental conundrum

“Bitcoin is literally anti-efficient,” David Gerard, author of Attack of the 50 Foot Blockchain, explained. “So more efficient mining hardware won't help - it'll just be competing against other efficient mining hardware.

This means that Bitcoin's energy use, and hence its CO2 production, only spirals outwards.

“It’s very bad that all this energy is being literally wasted in a lottery.”

The price of Bitcoin rose rapidly on Monday after Tesla announced its investment.

But commentators say the investment clashes with the electric car firm's previous environmental stance.

“Elon Musk has thrown away a lot of Tesla's good work promoting energy transition,” Mr Gerard said. “This is very bad... I don't know how he can walk this back effectively.

"Tesla got $1.5bn in environmental subsidies in 2020, funded by the taxpayer.

"It turned around and spent $1.5bn on Bitcoin, which is mostly mined with electricity from coal. Their subsidy needs to be examined."

A carbon tax on cryptocurrencies could be introduced to balance out some of the negative consumption, Mr Gerard suggested.


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« Reply #4969 on: February 16, 2021, 06:27:07 AM »
What is amusing is being charged a capital gains tax on something that many people say will be made illegal one day it it gets too big and threatens the reserve curremcy.


The charge is on the gains expressed in dollars, not the platform - same as any other equity.

IRS doesn't accept crypto as payment, btw.  :D

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« Reply #4970 on: February 16, 2021, 07:07:51 AM »
MicroStrategy plans to raise an additional $690 million to buy bitcoin


MicroStrategy announced Tuesday that it plans to raise an additional $690 million to buy bitcoin.

The raise will be facilitated by senior convertible notes, a type of debt security that can be converted into cash or shares. MicroStrategy's notes will be issued to qualified institutional buyers, and its terms are yet to be finalized.

The notes will be unsecured and will bear interest payable semi-annually in arrears on February 15 and August 15 of each year, beginning on August 15, 2021, said MicroStrategy. The notes will mature on February 15, 2027, unless earlier repurchased, redeemed, or converted.

Meanwhile, bitcoin's price has soared above $50,000 for the first time, pushing the cryptocurrency's market capitalization closer to $1 trillion.

MicroStrategy began purchasing bitcoin in August 2020. The company currently owns 71,079 bitcoin, worth about $3.5 billion at current prices.


https://www.theblockcrypto.com/linked/94982/microstrategy-plans-additional-690-million-raise-to-buy-bitcoin-btc

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #4971 on: February 16, 2021, 08:16:55 AM »
$ 50,341.10

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« Reply #4972 on: February 16, 2021, 10:34:13 AM »
https://decrypt.co/57869/christies-to-auction-ethereum-nft-by-crypto-artist-beeple?&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=feed&utm_source=coinmarketcap

Christie’s to Auction Ethereum NFT by Crypto Artist Beeple

NFT marketplace MakersPlace has teamed up with Christie’s for the auction house’s first ever sale of a purely digital artwork.

If you ever needed another proof that non-fungible tokens, or NFTs, are conquering the world, you’ve got it: for the first time in its 250-years long history the renowned auction house Christie’s will be auctioning a digital artwork on its own.

Between February 25 and March 11, Christie’s will be selling “THE FIRST 5000 DAYS” by prolific digital artist Beeple.

According to CryptoArt.io, Beeple is currently the most profitable crypto artist globally as his NFTs have been sold for a combined amount of $8 million.

“This historic event marks a significant inflection point for both the digital art and the fine arts industry, bridging the apparent gap in the global recognition for digital art,” said MakersPlace CEO and co-founder Dannie Chu.

“Not unlike the advent of Street Art as a blue chip collecting category, NFT-based art is on the threshold of becoming the next ingeniously disruptive force in the art market. Christie’s is proud to be in the vanguard of this exhilarating movement,” said Noah Davis, Christie’s specialist in post-war and contemporary art.

As reported earlier by Decrypt, digital artists, such as Beeple and Pak, who is the second best-selling creator worldwide, earned nearly $12 million in January alone.

Meanwhile, the total value of the crypto art market is approaching a record $100 million—with over 70,000 artworks sold to date.


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« Reply #4973 on: February 16, 2021, 11:55:49 AM »
You reckon the crypto bull market could continue till 2022?

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I think a 2013 model is likely. Double peak. Longer timeframe.

I believe we get to 250k in this upward trend. I think it will happen on a longer timeframe because the large players have a strategy to prevent short, sharp spikes eg Elon in January.

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« Reply #4974 on: February 16, 2021, 12:25:36 PM »
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-56012952

Bitcoin consumes 'more electricity than Argentina'

Bitcoin uses more electricity annually than the whole of Argentina, analysis by Cambridge University suggests.

"Mining" for the cryptocurrency is power-hungry, involving heavy computer calculations to verify transactions.

Cambridge researchers say it consumes around 121.36 terawatt-hours (TWh) a year - and is unlikely to fall unless the value of the currency slumps.

Critics say electric-car firm Tesla's decision to invest heavily in Bitcoin undermines its environmental image.

The currency's value hit a record $48,000 (£34,820) this week. following Tesla's announcement that it had bought about $1.5bn bitcoin and planned to accept it as payment in future.

But the rising price offers even more incentive to Bitcoin miners to run more and more machines.

And as the price increases, so does the energy consumption, according to Michel Rauchs, researcher at The Cambridge Centre for Alternative Finance, who co-created the online tool that generates these estimates.

“It is really by design that Bitcoin consumes that much electricity,” Mr Rauchs told BBC’s Tech Tent podcast. “This is not something that will change in the future unless the Bitcoin price is going to significantly go down."

The problem with these articles is they never tell you the power consumption vs banks. That’s because it consumes less than the banks.

 The banks could power kettles for 100yrs.....

Hardware evolves providing greater efficiency.

Crypto evolves providing greater efficiency.

BTC is supposed to be expensive, that’s the point.