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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5075 on: February 19, 2021, 12:16:08 PM »
It's amazing at how nothing is worth $1 Trillion.  WTF.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5076 on: February 19, 2021, 12:30:30 PM »


So basically Russia is controlling Ehereum.  So if the crypto destroys the dollar then what is a bitcoin really worth? 

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5077 on: February 19, 2021, 01:40:45 PM »
$ 53,782.58


Imagionary 'coin' is valued in the USD ???::)

Get real guys !.  8)


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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5078 on: February 19, 2021, 01:49:14 PM »

Imagionary 'coin' is valued in the USD ???::)

Get real guys !.  8)

Yeah, get real guys. Stick to logical things like printing press money or the completely rational stock market. Imaginary coins are so crazy compared to the other ways people trade currency and build wealth.  ::)

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5079 on: February 19, 2021, 02:34:16 PM »
We have this uptrend and the next in 2024-25 but everything will change in this one.

We will see investors front running the 2024 cycle at the end of this one which may result in capital draw from other markets at an alarming rate. Govts may step in as a result which will cause a crash.

I am looking at it like this.

Own 1 BTC to hold until 2028 where it will be worth 10M+ at that point. Anything on top of that you can sell and pay off the mortgage, cars and whatever else and live an easy life.

How do you know this? Others, who live for this stuff, say different. What do you know that other self-proclaimmed experts don't?

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« Reply #5080 on: February 19, 2021, 02:36:34 PM »
Yeah, get real guys. Stick to logical things like printing press money or the completely rational stock market. Imaginary coins are so crazy compared to the other ways people trade currency and build wealth.  ::)

X2. To mock cryptos and to have so much faith in printed paper money.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5081 on: February 19, 2021, 08:38:19 PM »
Ethereum just reached $2,037.96 on Coinranking.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5082 on: February 19, 2021, 08:42:56 PM »

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« Reply #5083 on: February 19, 2021, 09:02:10 PM »

Imagionary 'coin' is valued in the USD ???::)

Get real guys !.  8)

Lol. The so-called "imagionary coin" is perfectly limited and finite in supply, and with a publicly visible record on the blockchain, which we know with certainty has ALWAYS (until now) increased in value over time.

vs.

The USD which we know is fake money, can be infinitely produced, with no exact certainty of how much of it exists, which we know with certainty has ALWAYS (until now) decreased in value over time.

The USD is a ponzi scheme. Bitcoin is our saviour.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5084 on: February 19, 2021, 10:29:51 PM »
How do you know this? Others, who live for this stuff, say different. What do you know that other self-proclaimmed experts don't?

I can’t comment on what the people you label as experts do or do not know or how they choose their primary indicators.

Just to be clear, you are saying your experts don’t believe that any institutions will want to front run the next 4yr cycle where they might 10x their investment in 4yrs? You don’t think that interests them?

And to be clear you are saying your experts don’t believe that a sudden infusion of capital into crypto which may draw away capital from the very financial markets the central banks just dumped trillions of QE into would cause any reaction at all from govts, central banks and regulators to prevent further capital draw?

Do your experts refute the experts who have compiled data showing the buying and holding behaviour right now is unlike any other time in crypto history?

Do your experts not believe that institutions can suffer from FOMO? What is their take on GME when funds were happy to go long on a $3 stock all the way to $400 which they knew was maybe worth $5?

Of course, it’s possible the above may not result in anything different to previous times just like your experts claim. I’m merely posting on Getbig, hardly a financial platform but believe it or not I enjoy this thread and the discussions it brings however right of wrong they may be.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5085 on: February 20, 2021, 03:08:48 AM »
So basically Russia is controlling Ehereum.  So if the crypto destroys the dollar then what is a bitcoin really worth?
None of it has any real worth.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5086 on: February 20, 2021, 03:17:05 AM »
The US dollar has lost 90% of it's purchasing power since it was taken off the gold standard in 1971.  We are being lied to and stolen from.

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« Reply #5087 on: February 20, 2021, 03:17:13 AM »
$ 55,945.60

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« Reply #5088 on: February 20, 2021, 03:24:41 AM »
None of it has any real worth.

This is a false statement.

The reality is that anything that anyone is willing to accept exchange for something else of value has "real worth". This could be some Satoshies, could be a lump of gold, could be a work of "modern art", could be Mr Anabolic's favourites stores of value (cans of tuna and silver ingots), could be a (depreciating) fiat currency.
 
You personally may not think its rational that a perfectly scarce global crypto currency has the value the market ascribes to it, That is your choice. Similarly, there are many others who increasingly think its rational that a unlimited supply of pieces of paper with a number printed on them has "value". That is their choice.


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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5089 on: February 20, 2021, 03:24:59 AM »

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« Reply #5090 on: February 20, 2021, 03:30:11 AM »
This is a false statement.

The reality is that anything that anyone is willing to accept exchange for something else of value has "real worth". This could be some Satoshies, could be a lump of gold, could be a work of "modern art", could be Mr Anabolic's favourites stores of value (cans of tuna and silver ingots), could be a (depreciating) fiat currency.
 
You personally may not think its rational that a perfectly scarce global crypto currency has the value the market ascribes to it, That is your choice. Similarly, there are many others who increasingly think its rational that a unlimited supply of pieces of paper with a number printed on them has "value". That is their choice.
That paper actually has value.  I pay my bills, buy food and gas with paper or digits on a screen backed by said paper.  Do you buy groceries, gas and pay bills with bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency?

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5091 on: February 20, 2021, 05:09:54 AM »
That paper actually has value.  I pay my bills, buy food and gas with paper or digits on a screen backed by said paper.  Do you buy groceries, gas and pay bills with bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency?

Lol. It's okay,  you still have time to buy some worthless cryto.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5092 on: February 20, 2021, 05:18:18 AM »
That paper actually has value.  I pay my bills, buy food and gas with paper or digits on a screen backed by said paper.  Do you buy groceries, gas and pay bills with bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency?

Who gave the paper that value?

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5093 on: February 20, 2021, 03:37:13 PM »
Eth sucks.   :-\

they are squeezing the longs. ETH slapped from over 2k down to 1.8k in the last 3hrs which closes out all the long positions. In the chat rooms people got wrecked.

Go back to the very start of the rally in November/December and ETH lagged behind. Then in Jan ETH lagged behind. Now in Feb ETH is lagging behind. I figure by it doing nothing it looks normal LOL???

I’m watching my BTC, ADA and DOT fly upwards and then there is the Mong called ETH picking it’s nose.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5094 on: February 20, 2021, 04:39:06 PM »
Lol. The so-called "imagionary coin" is perfectly limited and finite in supply, and with a publicly visible record on the blockchain, which we know with certainty has ALWAYS (until now) increased in value over time.

vs.

The USD which we know is fake money, can be infinitely produced, with no exact certainty of how much of it exists, which we know with certainty has ALWAYS (until now) decreased in value over time.

The USD is a ponzi scheme. Bitcoin is our saviour.



F..... OFF DUMBO !.


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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5095 on: February 20, 2021, 05:14:20 PM »
That paper actually has value.  I pay my bills, buy food and gas with paper or digits on a screen backed by said paper.  Do you buy groceries, gas and pay bills with bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency?
Do you pay bills with stocks like Amazon, Apple etc.?

You don't get it the dollar is losing value over time. People need a hedge against inflation.

Eventually payment systems will develop for cryptos but by then investing in it will be too late for those that sat on the sidelines.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5096 on: February 20, 2021, 05:24:05 PM »
they are squeezing the longs. ETH slapped from over 2k down to 1.8k in the last 3hrs which closes out all the long positions. In the chat rooms people got wrecked.

Go back to the very start of the rally in November/December and ETH lagged behind. Then in Jan ETH lagged behind. Now in Feb ETH is lagging behind. I figure by it doing nothing it looks normal LOL???

I’m watching my BTC, ADA and DOT fly upwards and then there is the Mong called ETH picking it’s nose.
Small price corrections are healthy. What's unhealthy is an asset that keeps going up and up without any corrections. Bitcoin had a $3,000+ correction recently remember? Go look at the past 30 day performance.

I knew it was going to correct. I told myself I would sell some ETH at $2,000 and then buy back in at a lower price but it will just complicate my taxes. But I will probably start trading some ETH in the quest to get more ETH. I have also placed myself on the waiting list to stake ETH on Coinbase. I have more than enough ETH for my own nodes but don't want to deal with the maintenance and risks. As I understand it the staked node needs to be online 24/7 and that is a tall order because internet and power outages do happen. Coinbase takes away that risk and your holdings will be guaranteed even if Coinbase suffers a loss.

https://beincrypto.com/75-eth-2-0-validators-double-vote-lose-30000-to-penalties/

Staking service provider Staked.us had 75 of its validators penalized for acting against Ethereum (ETH) 2.0’s rules.

The event cost the company 18 ETH, or around $30,000.

The company’s leadership admitted crucial lapses in judgment while performing infrastructure upgrades.

Staked.us, an Ethereum 2.0 (ETH) staking service provider, was hit with a $30,000 penalty for accidentally double voting on the network.

On February 2, 2021, at least 75 nodes were heavily penalized on the Ethereum 2.0 network. Data from BeaconCha.in, a website dedicated to tracking the ETH 2.0 mainnet, reveals that all affected nodes were ‘slashed’ within minutes of each other.

In Ethereum, slashing refers to the process of economically punishing nodes for performing malicious actions. In this case, the slashing was triggered by double voting or running the staking software on two computers simultaneously.

The slashed validators reportedly belonged to staking service provider Staked.us. Via a blog post, CEO Tim Ogilvie admitted that the company had introduced additional risk by chasing performance gains. Staked.us had also disabled certain safeguards in this pursuit of maximizing hardware performance, further compounding the problem.

The entire ordeal cost the company approximately 18 ETH or $30,000 at current prices. However, Staked.us has since acknowledged that it will be absorbing the cost of the incident. In other words, the firm’s clients will not have to deal with either the penalties or missed income opportunity.
How Ethereum 2.0 Penalizes Malicious Nodes to Keep Them Honest

By participating in the staking process, Ethereum 2.0 validators pledge to uphold the rules of the network. Any activity that breaks them, or is deemed malicious by other honest users, is flagged by other nodes. The node owner is then penalized financially (slashed).


Each validator needs to stake 32 ETH to participate in the transaction verification process. Violations can cause penalties of up to 50% of this amount. Penalized nodes can continue participating as long as their balance stays above 16 ETH. Once this level is reached, the node is automatically ejected from the network.

This rule ensures that transaction validation can take place in a majority honest way. To successfully attack the network, a majority of validators would have to collude.

Some argue this is more difficult than a 51% attack in Proof-of-Work cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin (BTC) and even Ethereum 1.0. Instead of the hash rate, an Ethereum 2.0 attacker needs to control over half of all staked coins.

While attackers could rent computational power from services such as Nicehash, owning 51% of all staked coins is virtually impossible. The attack becomes even more difficult as the PoS network grows and attracts new stakers over time.

All of the above factors likely make attacks on the Ethereum 2.0 network fairly difficult to pull off. The 75 nodes were each penalized approximately 0.2–0.3 ETH. At a much larger scale, these penalties would require attackers to risk millions of dollars.
Mistaken Slashings: Growing Pains

On Dec. 1, 2020 Phase 0 of the ETH 2.0 network launched. Over the past two months, hundreds of validators have already been slashed. While some were likely genuine attacks, others could simply be a result of inexperience.

As with any new technology, early adopters are likely the most vulnerable to losses. As ETH 2.0 marches on, these incidents will likely serve as valuable cautionary tales to new validators.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5097 on: February 20, 2021, 05:28:02 PM »
https://www.bitcoininsider.org/article/104382/technical-flaw-sees-ethereum-20-validator-lose-30000

Around 75 Eth 2.0 validators got “slashed” this week because of an “upgrade gone wrong’ by Staked, a staking infrastructure firm.

Staked CEO and co-founder Tim Ogilvie gave his word that since the slashing happened because of his company’s technical issue, all the affected parties will be reimbursed by them. As for Staked, they will have to pay a slashing penalty of 18 ETH (~$30,000).

What Is Slashing?

One of the most significant changes that Ethereum will be going through during its upgrade to ETH 2.0 is the shift from proof-of-work (PoW) to proof-of-stake (PoS). Ethereum will be implementing PoS using the Casper protocol. As per Casper, any validator (aka users who take care of consensus in the PoS system) found not following the network rules gets punished by having a portion of their Ethereum stake slashed. Staked implemented this system to keep the Ethereum network as efficient and honest as possible.

What Went Wrong?

As per Staked, they were trying to improve their validator performance metrics by increasing their signing rates. The idea was to enable their validators to produce more blocks and earn more staking rewards. However, they erroneously introduced a bug into the system that disabled Prysm’s on-client slashing protection database. Regarding this mistake, Staked said:

"Obviously, we should not have disabled the persistence of Prysm's database in pursuit of better performance. The performance gains we achieved weren't worth the additional risk we inadvertently added."

After learning an “expensive lesson,” Staked said it has introduced changes to how it deploys new nodes to avoid this mistake from happening again. In this new system, nodes can’t participate with validators until they are fully synced.

Who Are Staked?

Staked is one of the largest Eth 2.0 validators with a 9% staked in ETH 2.0’s total stake, which is worth $245 million. Its multi-tier signing and listening node architecture aim to deliver stakeholders a combination of security, scalability, and decentralization. The team behind Staked has a successful track record of starting, building, and operating web services at IAC/InterActiveCorp, Vimeo, AdBuyer/MediaOcean, PlanetTran, Flavors.me, Haystagg, and Think Gaming (YC 2014).

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« Reply #5098 on: February 20, 2021, 11:12:52 PM »
That paper actually has value.  I pay my bills, buy food and gas with paper or digits on a screen backed by said paper.  Do you buy groceries, gas and pay bills with bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency?

The paper itself is almost worthless. Even for use as toilet paper it would not be great due to lack of absorbency. The only value it has it that which others ascribe to it, which as we know is over time, less and less.

Many of my friends in Australia (which is quite technologically backward) even now pay for bills, food, electricity, credit card fees, government rates and taxes etc in BTC now, See: https://www.livingroomofsatoshi.com/ as an example.

Numerous Governments globally accept taxes paid in BTC.

Some employees are now paid entirely in BTC.

And many of my digital nomad friends travel with Sats on a lightening wallet and pay locally with Sats. You would be surpised how many AirBNB owners accept (and even prefer) Sats, both as they can keep cash outside of the banking system but also because they prefer to keep Sats as a store of value.

Many payment providers, Square, Visa, PayPal, Cropto.com, Revolute allow you to pay in Sats (or offer a Sats to fiat payment conversion).

In the future one-coiners will simply have their BTC as collateral and then pay in ever declining fiat currency which they have borrowed against their underlying BTC as collateral.

Its all happening and only really just getting started. So, rather than stubbornly debate whether its happening or not, you should accept it is. Then, you will realize you can secure your future by becoming a one-coiner (which for many is now slipping out of reach). And you will also see how you can benefit from this global trend by investing accordingly.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5099 on: February 20, 2021, 11:49:51 PM »
they are squeezing the longs. ETH slapped from over 2k down to 1.8k in the last 3hrs which closes out all the long positions. In the chat rooms people got wrecked.

Go back to the very start of the rally in November/December and ETH lagged behind. Then in Jan ETH lagged behind. Now in Feb ETH is lagging behind. I figure by it doing nothing it looks normal LOL???

I’m watching my BTC, ADA and DOT fly upwards and then there is the Mong called ETH picking it’s nose.

Eth sucks. Its dead in the water. I noticed this for the last week and you said I was being funny for saying it looks like it's losing steam.  Lol

There's something going with ethereum and it aint good. Keeps getting kicked in the balls. Thats why I sold most of mine when I did. No regrets so far.