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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5100 on: February 20, 2021, 11:56:11 PM »
Small price corrections are healthy. What's unhealthy is an asset that keeps going up and up without any corrections. Bitcoin had a $3,000+ correction recently remember? Go look at the past 30 day performance.

I knew it was going to correct. I told myself I would sell some ETH at $2,000 and then buy back in at a lower price but it will just complicate my taxes. But I will probably start trading some ETH in the quest to get more ETH. I have also placed myself on the waiting list to stake ETH on Coinbase. I have more than enough ETH for my own nodes but don't want to deal with the maintenance and risks. As I understand it the staked node needs to be online 24/7 and that is a tall order because internet and power outages do happen. Coinbase takes away that risk and your holdings will be guaranteed even if Coinbase suffers a loss.

https://beincrypto.com/75-eth-2-0-validators-double-vote-lose-30000-to-penalties/

Staking service provider Staked.us had 75 of its validators penalized for acting against Ethereum (ETH) 2.0’s rules.

The event cost the company 18 ETH, or around $30,000.

The company’s leadership admitted crucial lapses in judgment while performing infrastructure upgrades.

Staked.us, an Ethereum 2.0 (ETH) staking service provider, was hit with a $30,000 penalty for accidentally double voting on the network.

On February 2, 2021, at least 75 nodes were heavily penalized on the Ethereum 2.0 network. Data from BeaconCha.in, a website dedicated to tracking the ETH 2.0 mainnet, reveals that all affected nodes were ‘slashed’ within minutes of each other.

In Ethereum, slashing refers to the process of economically punishing nodes for performing malicious actions. In this case, the slashing was triggered by double voting or running the staking software on two computers simultaneously.

The slashed validators reportedly belonged to staking service provider Staked.us. Via a blog post, CEO Tim Ogilvie admitted that the company had introduced additional risk by chasing performance gains. Staked.us had also disabled certain safeguards in this pursuit of maximizing hardware performance, further compounding the problem.

The entire ordeal cost the company approximately 18 ETH or $30,000 at current prices. However, Staked.us has since acknowledged that it will be absorbing the cost of the incident. In other words, the firm’s clients will not have to deal with either the penalties or missed income opportunity.
How Ethereum 2.0 Penalizes Malicious Nodes to Keep Them Honest

By participating in the staking process, Ethereum 2.0 validators pledge to uphold the rules of the network. Any activity that breaks them, or is deemed malicious by other honest users, is flagged by other nodes. The node owner is then penalized financially (slashed).


Each validator needs to stake 32 ETH to participate in the transaction verification process. Violations can cause penalties of up to 50% of this amount. Penalized nodes can continue participating as long as their balance stays above 16 ETH. Once this level is reached, the node is automatically ejected from the network.

This rule ensures that transaction validation can take place in a majority honest way. To successfully attack the network, a majority of validators would have to collude.

Some argue this is more difficult than a 51% attack in Proof-of-Work cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin (BTC) and even Ethereum 1.0. Instead of the hash rate, an Ethereum 2.0 attacker needs to control over half of all staked coins.

While attackers could rent computational power from services such as Nicehash, owning 51% of all staked coins is virtually impossible. The attack becomes even more difficult as the PoS network grows and attracts new stakers over time.

All of the above factors likely make attacks on the Ethereum 2.0 network fairly difficult to pull off. The 75 nodes were each penalized approximately 0.2–0.3 ETH. At a much larger scale, these penalties would require attackers to risk millions of dollars.
Mistaken Slashings: Growing Pains

On Dec. 1, 2020 Phase 0 of the ETH 2.0 network launched. Over the past two months, hundreds of validators have already been slashed. While some were likely genuine attacks, others could simply be a result of inexperience.

As with any new technology, early adopters are likely the most vulnerable to losses. As ETH 2.0 marches on, these incidents will likely serve as valuable cautionary tales to new validators.

They aren't small corrections. The gains get destroyed dude. In a matter of minutes whatever it gained gets wiped out. It's getting ridiculous. Like games are being played, let the price climb s little   everyone gets excited and boom, down it goes.
Agaun and again below 2000.  Not sure how long thisncan go on before people say fick it and leave an masse

I made way better gains by selling and getting into bitcoin when I did.  All the money that's been pouring into eth and it csnt do anything by comparison. 

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5101 on: February 21, 2021, 02:37:09 AM »
Do you pay bills with stocks like Amazon, Apple etc.?

You don't get it the dollar is losing value over time. People need a hedge against inflation.

Eventually payment systems will develop for cryptos but by then investing in it will be too late for those that sat on the sidelines.
No, I don't.  If a person has stocks those are worthless until they take some money out and spend it.  Of course I understand money loses value over time, that's why I make more money!  Cryptos could disappear or lose enormous value overnight because it has no real value until you take money (real fiat money) and spend it, just like stocks.  If you have a large amount of crypto imaginary money I would take most of it out while you still can.  Leave a small amount in for future growth.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5102 on: February 21, 2021, 02:37:55 AM »
Who gave the paper that value?
The Federal Reserve.  Who gave Bitcoin it's value?

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5103 on: February 21, 2021, 03:06:56 AM »
Before we had money we had a barter system. We traded stuff for stuff. I'll make you a pair of shoes if you give me some fish. I trade the vegetables that I grow for other stuff people in my village have. This was a very inefficient system. What if I don't want fish but the guy selling beef doesn't need shoes? Money just came to represent the goods and services people produce and a convenient means of trade. We decide through the free market how much value it has. If I give you five dollars for a pound of beef but someone wants it more and is willing to pay six dollars, he gets the meat. The price fluctuates with demand. 

When I use to work at a Hardware Store, City Mill, they had what they called "City Bucks". Just paper made to look like money with City Mill plastered on it. But it could have been anything. Marbles if they wanted. You earned it in various ways. Maybe you made a great sale or gave great customer service -- whatever. You could use those "City Bucks" to buy anything in the store. City Bucks were absolutely worthless once you stepped out of the store but it was real money in the store. You could buy anything you want. I bought a cordless drill with City Bucks. Those "Bucks" had worth because the store said it did. Purely arbitrary. They not only decided it's worth but how much it is worth.

They use to give gifts and stuff as rewards but often what they gave was not what the person wanted (like the barter system). So they decided to just give notes that represented the worth of stuff in the store and let you decide what you want.

I was not entirely correct in saying that these "City Bucks" were worthless outside the store. Once I accumulated so much, and there wasn't really anything I wanted in the store, but I could always buy stuff from the grocery store. So I sold, traded, my City Bucks to another employee who paid me in U.S. dollars and I bought a roasted chicken. Kind of like how we exchange our currency for foreign currency when we are going to the country.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5104 on: February 21, 2021, 03:27:44 AM »
do we have anyone, other than me, in this thread, who does not own any crypto currency?

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« Reply #5105 on: February 21, 2021, 03:28:59 AM »
They aren't small corrections. The gains get destroyed dude. In a matter of minutes whatever it gained gets wiped out. It's getting ridiculous. Like games are being played, let the price climb s little   everyone gets excited and boom, down it goes.
Agaun and again below 2000.  Not sure how long thisncan go on before people say fick it and leave an masse

I made way better gains by selling and getting into bitcoin when I did.  All the money that's been pouring into eth and it csnt do anything by comparison.
LMAO! Ethereum was $749.41 on January 1st. It just recently tested $2,038 and will probably motor past that in the next few days.

Binance yesterday restricted Ethereum trading. They claimed it was because of congestion but this was not the case. They are trying to promote their Binance Smart Chain. There are also now rumors that they have been doing fake transactions on Binance Smart Chain to amplify their transactions artificially so it looks better in comparison to Ethereum. Ethereum does decentralized financing (DEFI). BSC is really centralized financing (CEFI). They copy pasted Ethereum's smart contracts design and have a few nodes that Binance controls. Asians have a knack for copying. They also like to play dirty.

Regardless all these tricks will not hold Ethereum's price back. Long term I am bullish on Ethereum, Cardano, Bitcoin and a few others.

And you are right games are being played. People want crypto prices to yoyo so they can buy dips lol!

You could be taking advantage of these drops with any crypto. Buy a dip, hold till it is up 10% or so, sell into a stable coin and then wait for another dip. Buy up more. You can increase your holdings over time. That is what many other traders are doing. Why do you think the prices of cryptos go up and down? So the crypto bag holders can stuff their bags with more and more crypto. Eventually there will be a bigger correction and there will be an even better opportunity to stuff your bags with cryptos. After a few market cycles over a few years the corrections will get smaller and smaller as more and more people enter the crypto space.

Just be careful with trading like this. You could always end up with less crypto then you started with. Nobody knows what the markets and prices will do.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5106 on: February 21, 2021, 03:32:01 AM »
To people like Anabolic saying cryptos will be banned:


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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5107 on: February 21, 2021, 03:34:27 AM »
Eth sucks. Its dead in the water. I noticed this for the last week and you said I was being funny for saying it looks like it's losing steam.  Lol

There's something going with ethereum and it aint good. Keeps getting kicked in the balls. Thats why I sold most of mine when I did. No regrets so far.

BTC leads. ETH lags behind.

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« Reply #5108 on: February 21, 2021, 03:46:48 AM »
BTC leads. ETH lags behind.
Like clockwork. The people making gains in BTC then use those gains to stuff their bags with more ETH.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5109 on: February 21, 2021, 03:58:06 AM »
do we have anyone, other than me, in this thread, who does not own any crypto currency?
There are around 46.8 million millionaires in the world and less than 21 million BTC. If you were to distribute it evenly each of those millionaires would have less than 0.44 BTC.

That's the scarcity effect! I will convert some of my crypto to get at least 1 or 2 BTC later in the year - I could do it now but want to see bigger gains.

I expect some of Bitcoins gains to bleed into alts and more gains can be made this bull run in smaller market cap alts. You have to pick the right ones though. Cardano (ADA) is one of them I think. But in the end for sure you should have some Bitcoin in your portfolio. GIB is right about that.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5110 on: February 21, 2021, 04:05:07 AM »
LMAO! Ethereum was $749.41 on January 1st. It just recently tested $2,038 and will probably motor past that in the next few days.

Binance yesterday restricted Ethereum trading. They claimed it was because of congestion but this was not the case. They are trying to promote their Binance Smart Chain. There are also now rumors that they have been doing fake transactions on Binance Smart Chain to amplify their transactions artificially so it looks better in comparison to Ethereum. Ethereum does decentralized financing (DEFI). BSC is really centralized financing (CEFI). They copy pasted Ethereum's smart contracts design and have a few nodes that Binance controls. Asians have a knack for copying. They also like to play dirty.

Regardless all these tricks will not hold Ethereum's price back. Long term I am bullish on Ethereum, Cardano, Bitcoin and a few others.

And you are right games are being played. People want crypto prices to yoyo so they can buy dips lol!

You could be taking advantage of these drops with any crypto. Buy a dip, hold till it is up 10% or so, sell into a stable coin and then wait for another dip. Buy up more. You can increase your holdings over time. That is what many other traders are doing. Why do you think the prices of cryptos go up and down? So the crypto bag holders can stuff their bags with more and more crypto. Eventually there will be a bigger correction and there will be an even better opportunity to stuff your bags with cryptos. After a few market cycles over a few years the corrections will get smaller and smaller as more and more people enter the crypto space.

Just be careful with trading like this. You could always end up with less crypto then you started with. Nobody knows what the markets and prices will do.

Good luck. Hope it works out for you.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5111 on: February 21, 2021, 04:16:40 AM »
There are around 46.8 million millionaires in the world and less than 21 million BTC. If you were to distribute it evenly each of those millionaires would have less than 0.44 BTC.

That's the scarcity effect! I will convert some of my crypto to get at least 1 or 2 BTC later in the year - I could do it now but want to see bigger gains.

I expect some of Bitcoins gains to bleed into alts and more gains can be made this bull run in smaller market cap alts. You have to pick the right ones though. Cardano (ADA) is one of them I think. But in the end for sure you should have some Bitcoin in your portfolio. GIB is right about that.

I thought about this. I picked up eth and ltc very cheap years ago. End of the year ill be putting majority into blockfi interest account and perhaps 5-10 btc in a celsius interest account. Atm certain coins are paying out 6-8%.



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« Reply #5112 on: February 21, 2021, 04:17:11 AM »
Good luck. Hope it works out for you.
Thanks I appreciate it! You need laser focus with cryptos - and luck! Be greedy when others are fearful and fearful when others are greedy!

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« Reply #5113 on: February 21, 2021, 04:20:47 AM »
I thought about this. I picked up eth and ltc very cheap years ago. End of the year ill be putting majority into blockfi interest account and perhaps 5-10 btc in a celsius interest account. Atm certain coins are paying out 6-8%.
That's great when there is no bull run. At the end of this bull run I'll be looking at staking / hodling ADA and ETH, hodling BTC and a blockfi interest account. I will have a few smaller alts also in the mix. IOTA for example still has promise.

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« Reply #5114 on: February 21, 2021, 04:30:21 AM »
That's great when there is no bull run. At the end of this bull run I'll be looking at staking / hodling ADA and ETH, hodling BTC and a blockfi interest account. I will have a few smaller alts also in the mix. IOTA for example still has promise.

Bull or no bull makes no difference to me. Im waiting end of the year for these companies to mature thats why ill allocate a small portion of btc and majority of my shitcoins. Im of the theory of maydays price models(minus government banning) and have been since s2f.


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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5115 on: February 21, 2021, 05:31:38 AM »
Thanks I appreciate it! You need laser focus with cryptos - and luck! Be greedy when others are fearful and fearful when others are greedy!

When you.memtioned manipulation earlier,  were you referring to."spoofing"?

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« Reply #5116 on: February 21, 2021, 03:15:14 PM »
When you.memtioned manipulation earlier,  were you referring to."spoofing"?

Yes, he was. And it would not surprise me at all if this was occurring and being done by them.

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« Reply #5117 on: February 21, 2021, 07:15:01 PM »
Yes, he was. And it would not surprise me at all if this was occurring and being done by them.

Yeah, has to be. Its getting ridiculous

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5118 on: February 21, 2021, 09:04:22 PM »
Bull or no bull makes no difference to me. Im waiting end of the year for these companies to mature thats why ill allocate a small portion of btc and majority of my shitcoins. Im of the theory of maydays price models(minus government banning) and have been since s2f.

I am at time lazy with my words which leaves out context. I will try and add context now.

Let me also play a bit of devil’s advocate and ask the question, why would this bull market only last 12 months?

Models are generally right until they are wrong. The more accurate a model, generally speaking the more mature the market and greater the depth (time) and quality (data points) it has. New models in non-stablished markets do not yet have the depth or quality and therefore have a greater chance of breaking. I replied to one of Raoul’s tweets with the above and he liked it (I am famous now lol) so I’m not talking out my ass here.

Specifically in this case I refer to diminished returns. In a maturing market you will see diminished returns. In a market that is in it’s infancy the returns are generally all over the place. I am of the opinion BTC is in it’s infancy and has not yet established a market (due to lack of institutional money). Only once institutions are in by a good portion do we establish a market base of which to measure after.

In support of my comments above are the fact that popular quants have revised their original models up in price point a number of times already in a short period. Even after that they are talking about numbers higher than their newly revised models.

We are at base level today. Let’s say this hits 100k then 200k using only 2% of the financial institutions wallets. Why would it stop there? Because previous models say a bull market ran for only 12 months therefore this one must only run for 12 months? I’m not convinced.

The models just got revised 3 times because the behaviour of buyers, the type of new participants and crypto leaving the exchanges is different to all previous bull market models.

I believe that once big money comes in it will continue to come in until something forces It to stop. I don’t think the previous market forces that ended prior bullmarkets will end this one because the behaviour isn’t the same.

I think the inflows will keep coming and The models will be blown up as price flies higher and higher. I think we will see capital drains from other financial markets, markets that central banks spent trillions in QE to prevent collapse. We should see front running of the following halving because a 500k price is fuck all compared to a 2.5M price target 4yrs later. 500% returns in 4yrs for the bank, hell yes they’d be in!


It’s therefore plausible we see capital flight resulting in a knee jerk reaction by central banks, regulators and govts to prevent damage. Black swan events. Exchanges go down? Exchanges get hacked? Things that create fear and risk to Stop the outflows from other assets into crypto. Not to kill it,  just slow it down.

I am suggesting the ‘risk’ of playing with crypto is what becomes key in this market rather than merely looking at formulated cycles. Perhaps we get to 135k and then a sudden risk event reads it’s head and scares the shit out of everyone? Next thing price dumps, stabilises and then rockets again.... perhaps we see a 1.5-2yr bull market consisting of 2 market peaks with a ‘risk event’ in between?

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5119 on: February 21, 2021, 10:22:37 PM »
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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5120 on: February 22, 2021, 04:05:57 AM »
Sell, sell, sell!!!! Lol

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« Reply #5121 on: February 22, 2021, 05:06:12 AM »
Sell, sell, sell!!!! Lol

Dumb money probably is selling right now.  Retail investors.  Buying high, selling low.  Liquidating their .00000002435% of a Bitcoin right now.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5122 on: February 22, 2021, 05:31:10 AM »
This thread is absolutely frothy with irrational exuberance.

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« Reply #5123 on: February 22, 2021, 05:37:59 AM »
This thread is absolutely frothy with irrational exuberance.

I'm starting to get the feeling that you carry around a trombone everytime you have something to say as a punctuation tool.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5124 on: February 22, 2021, 05:57:29 AM »
I'm starting to get the feeling that you carry around a trombone everytime you have something to say as a punctuation tool.



Elon Musk posted one tweet and BTC dropped 6k. Seems legit.  :D

Maybe Musk is in this space because he can do something the SEC can't call him out on.

Also, I like my "stores of value" NOT subject to one tweet.