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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5225 on: February 23, 2021, 04:48:38 PM »

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« Reply #5226 on: February 23, 2021, 05:04:55 PM »
Yes this forum is great! I appreciate the low amount of censorship here. There are other forums out there that are also great. I expect forums to make a comeback as big tech increases censorship.

There's a lot more real conversation taking place on forums.

I’ve been A GB forever.   No matters the ebbs and flows this site is always the best for real deal information and answers. 

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« Reply #5227 on: February 23, 2021, 05:48:44 PM »
Yes this forum is great! I appreciate the low amount of censorship here. There are other forums out there that are also great. I expect forums to make a comeback as big tech increases censorship.

There's a lot more real conversation taking place on forums.

The idiot Karens and beta males on Twitter would not last very long on Getbig.

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« Reply #5228 on: February 23, 2021, 07:08:25 PM »
I can respect that. Not everyone can stomach these corrections and 20%+ drops.

That said, even I am starting to look into buying cryptos.

Off the top of my head, I am considering fractional shares in Bitcoin, a small position into ETH, large position in Binance Coin, Polkadot and Cardano.

Even with this risky endeavor, I would only invest 10% of my portfolio into cryptos, as I know it's volatility can fuck anyone up.

It's money that you have to be ready to part with. Set it and forget it kind of thing...

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I would put it nearly all into Bitcoin. It's a modern day digital land grab unfolding right before our very eyes.

Bitcoin is that massive fortified castle with a massive moat around it.

Nothing else can even compare to its place as a digital store of value.

The rest of the projects you mentioned are basically fighting amongst themselves to reach that second spot.

I don't even know what the second spot even entails beyond a group of people tossing around speculative, vague ideas but I wouldn't begrudge a person for putting 10% or so of their crypto share into it.

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« Reply #5229 on: February 23, 2021, 08:36:24 PM »
I would put it nearly all into Bitcoin. It's a modern day digital land grab unfolding right before our very eyes.

Bitcoin is that massive fortified castle with a massive moat around it.

Nothing else can even compare to its place as a digital store of value.

The rest of the projects you mentioned are basically fighting amongst themselves to reach that second spot.

I don't even know what the second spot even entails beyond a group of people tossing around speculative, vague ideas but I wouldn't begrudge a person for putting 10% or so of their crypto share into it.
Most Bitcoin miners are in China. What if they decide to do a 51% attack and a double spend happens? If that ever occurs the price of Bitcoin will go to zero since it could not be trusted anymore. Read up on how it all works before you say it is invulnerable. There is a lot more to this than meets the eye.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5230 on: February 23, 2021, 08:37:20 PM »


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« Reply #5232 on: February 23, 2021, 09:11:11 PM »
I would put it nearly all into Bitcoin. It's a modern day digital land grab unfolding right before our very eyes.

Bitcoin is that massive fortified castle with a massive moat around it.

Nothing else can even compare to its place as a digital store of value.

The rest of the projects you mentioned are basically fighting amongst themselves to reach that second spot.

I don't even know what the second spot even entails beyond a group of people tossing around speculative, vague ideas but I wouldn't begrudge a person for putting 10% or so of their crypto share into it.

Fully agree with this.

This is also why its so important to buy BTC and then to universally advocate it as being the sole store of value. The alts will all continue to compete with the scraps.

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« Reply #5233 on: February 23, 2021, 09:15:52 PM »
https://news.bitcoin.com/privacy-coin-verge-third-51-attack-200-days-xvg-transactions-erased/

According to various reports, the cryptocurrency network Verge has suffered a 51% attack that led to a massive 560,000+ block reorganization. Analysts believe the Verge network attack could be the deepest blockchain reorganization (reorg) in history with roughly 200 days worth of verge transactions wiped.

The blockchain Verge and its native token XVG once made headlines for being added to the popular adult website Pornhub. This week, the Verge network has been 51% attacked according to multiple analysts and observers on social media. Verge has suffered from a total of three 51% attacks. One back in April 2018, and then another 51% attack a month later, when a malicious XVG attacker rejected a number of blocks.

The network data analyst at Coin Metrics, Lucas Nuzzi tweeted about the issues with XVG on February 15. The past 200 days worth of XVG transaction history just vanished,” Nuzzi told his 9,000 Twitter followers. “This is likely the deepest reorg that has ever taken place in a “top 100” cryptocurrency,” he added. The action was caught by a Coin Metrics node according to Antoine Le Calvez who also wrote about the Verge network situation.

“Looks like XVG (Verge) experienced a massive 560k+ blocks reorg,” he said. “Coin Metrics node is on a new chain whose last common ancestor with the previous chain dates to July 2020,” Le Calvez added with a screenshot of the action.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5234 on: February 23, 2021, 09:27:27 PM »
Most Bitcoin miners are in China. What if they decide to do a 51% attack and a double spend happens? If that ever occurs the price of Bitcoin will go to zero since it could not be trusted anymore. Read up on how it all works before you say it is invulnerable. There is a lot more to this than meets the eye.

You literally get to pick Secretariat 1973 WITH long shot 20/1 odds and yet you are worried about space ships coming down from Mars and ruining the race.

It's incredible the lengths you people will go to simply avoid buying and holding BTC.

Some people just have to pretend to be the badass though.

"Wheeling and dealing"

"Trading in and out of positions"

"Ethereum, Litecoin, Tron, Polkadot, EOS, etc etc is the future bro"

How about just own the revolutionary technology instead?

Buy Amazon. Hold Amazon.

Buy Apple. Hold Apple.

Buy Bitcoin. Hold Bitcoin.

It's that simple folks.

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« Reply #5235 on: February 23, 2021, 10:04:21 PM »
You literally get to pick Secretariat 1973 WITH long shot 20/1 odds and yet you are worried about space ships coming down from Mars and ruining the race.

It's incredible the lengths you people will go to simply avoid buying and holding BTC.

Some people just have to pretend to be the badass though.

"Wheeling and dealing"

"Trading in and out of positions"

"Ethereum, Litecoin, Tron, Polkadot, EOS, etc etc is the future bro"

How about just own the revolutionary technology instead?

Buy Amazon. Hold Amazon.

Buy Apple. Hold Apple.

Buy Bitcoin. Hold Bitcoin.

It's that simple folks.

Fully agree. Also, for all miners, they are not incentivized to act maliciously or decrease the value of BTC. (Indeed quite the opposite, they want BTC to continue to increase in value).

Further is almost impossible to do given how decentralized BTC miners and nodes actually are and how much collective computing power would need to he harnessed and controlled. And its also not true as much has claimed is done in China. Its kind of an urban myth and the actual mining power landscape is changing all the time.

Its amazing the "struggle" people have coming up with more and more far-fetched reasons not to buy BTC. Questioning and skepticism at the outset of seeking to understand any new concept is important, but some people simply become fundamentally stuck on the journey. Mr Anabolic was a good example of that, where logic was overridden by stubbornness, obstiance, pigheadedness, and pride.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5236 on: February 23, 2021, 10:19:45 PM »
Fully agree. Also, for all miners, they are not incentivized to act maliciously or decrease the value of BTC. (Indeed quite the opposite, they want BTC to continue to increase in value).

Further is almost impossible to do given how decentralized BTC miners and nodes actually are and how much collective computing power would need to he harnessed and controlled. And its also not true as much has claimed is done in China. Its kind of an urban myth and the actual mining power landscape is changing all the time.

That is the point that simply baffles me when I hear this 51% attack FUD.

It's basically the same as having a business that is uber successful and bringing in tons of cash and all of the sudden you, as the owner, start tossing Molotov cocktails at the building.

It is so incredibly ludicrous. I cannot believe I am reading these sorts of posts in 2021.

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« Reply #5237 on: February 23, 2021, 10:27:22 PM »
Fully agree. Also, for all miners, they are not incentivized to act maliciously or decrease the value of BTC. (Indeed quite the opposite, they want BTC to continue to increase in value).

Further is almost impossible to do given how decentralized BTC miners and nodes actually are and how much collective computing power would need to he harnessed and controlled. And its also not true as much has claimed is done in China. Its kind of an urban myth and the actual mining power landscape is changing all the time.
In communist China? They just released a biological weapon one year ago with the help of the Deep State - the CCP virus. What makes you think they don't approach the Bitcoin miners and tell them to crash Bitcoin's price to damage the USA's economy! It's not like the USA's economy has not already been damaged by the CCP virus. They don't care.

Perhaps they wait 5 years until the market cap is many trillions more.

When dealing with the CCP all bets are off as far as I am concerned.

Economic attack
By now, most agree that an economic attack is far less costly than an actual attack. This is the reason why rogue states like North Korean and Iran have hackers who do their bidding. Iran has famously hacked the Sands Casinos in Las Vegas and North Korea hacked Sony when it tried to launch an unflattering movie about their great leader.

Instead of sending soldiers, you just send hackers. Less costly for you, far more costly for your victim.

E-Yuan
Fast forward five years from now.

It’s 2025.

Many US companies, fearing an inflating dollar (which a Biden administration will have used to keep the US economy as the biggest in the world), will have invested part of their portfolio into Bitcoin by then. Perhaps a few percentage points.

That is a substantial part of the economy and a sum able to start a stock market crash if the floor would fall out from underneath it.

China will have launched its E-Yuan or Digital Yuan and with that be able to spy on its own citizens. Given that Beijing is in full control of its own currency in digital form, you will not be able to know how much they’ve spent and how much they have.

Although it is to be assumed that some of the mining power will have already moved from China to the US, a lot will still remain in China, and in combination with Russian mining operations (the Kremlin is also able to control mines in Kazakhstan), they could reach a bit more than 51% if needed, paying the miners as many E-Yuan or Russian rubles as they want.

In April 2020, China has 65% of hash power, the US 7%, Russia 6% and Kazakhstan another 6%. Even if 15% would by that time have moved from China to the US, this would still hypothetically leave the Communist states with more than 51%.

At that point, China and Russia, which have the same political interest (namely to crumble the US economy which heightens their own status), could take over the Bitcoin blockchain and, at least for a while, mine a whole lot of blocks for themselves.


Causing collapse
If they then dump the mined Bitcoins on the market and replace the public blockchain with their own private blockchain, the price of Bitcoin would crumble. Depending on how much of Fortune 500 companies assets are at that moment invested in Bitcoin, this could reverberate in a crash of the US stock markets.

In Jack Ryan, Shadow Recruit, the book by Tom Clancy, such a scenario (by Russia) is exactly described. In his screenplay. There, the villain, a Russian oligarch:

Will dump all of his inventory onto the market at the same time, causing the American Dollar to collapse. It would hurt China too because of their Dollar holdings, but the goal is to trigger a new Great Depression in the USA.

Replace the American dollar by Bitcoin and multiply the value of Bitcoin’s current market capitalization by 10, now think of the possibilities.

https://cryptotips.eu/en/news/can-china-and-russia-launch-a-51-bitcoin-attack/

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5238 on: February 23, 2021, 10:43:02 PM »
In communist China? They just released a biological weapon one year ago with the help of the Deep State - the CCP virus. What makes you think they don't approach the Bitcoin miners and tell them to crash Bitcoin's price to damage the USA's economy! It's not like the USA's economy has not already been damaged by the CCP virus. They don't care.

Perhaps they wait 5 years until the market cap is many trillions more.

When dealing with the CCP all bets are off as far as I am concerned.

Economic attack
By now, most agree that an economic attack is far less costly than an actual attack. This is the reason why rogue states like North Korean and Iran have hackers who do their bidding. Iran has famously hacked the Sands Casinos in Las Vegas and North Korea hacked Sony when it tried to launch an unflattering movie about their great leader.

Instead of sending soldiers, you just send hackers. Less costly for you, far more costly for your victim.

E-Yuan
Fast forward five years from now.

It’s 2025.

Many US companies, fearing an inflating dollar (which a Biden administration will have used to keep the US economy as the biggest in the world), will have invested part of their portfolio into Bitcoin by then. Perhaps a few percentage points.

That is a substantial part of the economy and a sum able to start a stock market crash if the floor would fall out from underneath it.

China will have launched its E-Yuan or Digital Yuan and with that be able to spy on its own citizens. Given that Beijing is in full control of its own currency in digital form, you will not be able to know how much they’ve spent and how much they have.

Although it is to be assumed that some of the mining power will have already moved from China to the US, a lot will still remain in China, and in combination with Russian mining operations (the Kremlin is also able to control mines in Kazakhstan), they could reach a bit more than 51% if needed, paying the miners as many E-Yuan or Russian rubles as they want.

In April 2020, China has 65% of hash power, the US 7%, Russia 6% and Kazakhstan another 6%. Even if 15% would by that time have moved from China to the US, this would still hypothetically leave the Communist states with more than 51%.

At that point, China and Russia, which have the same political interest (namely to crumble the US economy which heightens their own status), could take over the Bitcoin blockchain and, at least for a while, mine a whole lot of blocks for themselves.


Causing collapse
If they then dump the mined Bitcoins on the market and replace the public blockchain with their own private blockchain, the price of Bitcoin would crumble. Depending on how much of Fortune 500 companies assets are at that moment invested in Bitcoin, this could reverberate in a crash of the US stock markets.

In Jack Ryan, Shadow Recruit, the book by Tom Clancy, such a scenario (by Russia) is exactly described. In his screenplay. There, the villain, a Russian oligarch:

Will dump all of his inventory onto the market at the same time, causing the American Dollar to collapse. It would hurt China too because of their Dollar holdings, but the goal is to trigger a new Great Depression in the USA.

Replace the American dollar by Bitcoin and multiply the value of Bitcoin’s current market capitalization by 10, now think of the possibilities.

https://cryptotips.eu/en/news/can-china-and-russia-launch-a-51-bitcoin-attack/

I heard as many as 17 different gunmen and 35 shots rang out in Dealy Plaza when JFK got taken out too.

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« Reply #5239 on: February 23, 2021, 10:44:55 PM »
That is the point that simply baffles me when I hear this 51% attack FUD.

It's basically the same as having a business that is uber successful and bringing in tons of cash and all of the sudden you, as the owner, start tossing Molotov cocktails at the building.

It is so incredibly ludicrous. I cannot believe I am reading these sorts of posts in 2021.
As I said before what makes you think the CCP cares about Bitcoin's profits? The stakes for global dominance are higher than whatever profits some miners can make in Bitcoin. China's CCP can give Chinese miners orders to do whatever and if they don't comply they just disappear.

Just putting it out there that Bitcoin is not as invulnerable as people say it is. Now granted China's dominance in Bitcoin has dropped but it is still dominant.

https://decrypt.co/31915/crypto-bitcoin-china-mining-industry

https://www.buybitcoinworldwide.com/mining/china/

China is the undisputed world leader in Bitcoin mining.

Chinese mining pools control more than 60% of the Bitcoin network’s collective hashrate.

Not only does China manufacture most of the world’s mining equipment, but massive mining farms are located there to take advantage of extremely cheap electricity prices.

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« Reply #5240 on: February 23, 2021, 11:14:18 PM »
As I said before what makes you think the CCP cares about Bitcoin's profits? The stakes for global dominance are higher than whatever profits some miners can make in Bitcoin. China's CCP can give Chinese miners orders to do whatever and if they don't comply they just disappear.

Just putting it out there that Bitcoin is not as invulnerable as people say it is. Now granted China's dominance in Bitcoin has dropped but it is still dominant.

https://decrypt.co/31915/crypto-bitcoin-china-mining-industry

https://www.buybitcoinworldwide.com/mining/china/

China is the undisputed world leader in Bitcoin mining.

Chinese mining pools control more than 60% of the Bitcoin network’s collective hashrate.

Not only does China manufacture most of the world’s mining equipment, but massive mining farms are located there to take advantage of extremely cheap electricity prices.

All the king's horses and all the king's men from ALL the governments from ALL over over the world cannot take down that embarrassing Beyonce Super Bowl pic. It just doesn't work that way.

When I read about these JFK conspiracy people and agressive atheists types who have wasted countless hours of their lives going down these silly rabbit holes, brother I have too many other things that interest me more but no, China does not have the capability to shut down Bitcoin.

If posting your "trades" and lying about when you got into and out of stupid shitcoin positions makes you feel better about yourself then by all means feel free to do so.

I'll just be boring ass Bitcoin HODLer over here soaking up oodles of gains.

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« Reply #5241 on: February 23, 2021, 11:31:47 PM »
https://dailyhodl.com/2021/02/23/pantera-capitals-joey-krug-unveils-exponential-ethereum-price-target-for-current-crypto-cycle/

Pantera Capital’s Joey Krug Unveils Exponential Ethereum Price Target for Current Crypto Cycle

The co-chief investment officer of blockchain investment fund Pantera Capital says Ethereum has huge upside potential in the current market cycle.

In a new blog post, Joey Krug points to Ethereum’s dominance in smart contract transactions as the key driver of growth.

“The vast majority of the value in that system (decentralized finance) is transacting on top of smart contracts written on Ethereum. The net present value of the global settlement layer’s transaction fees for all of finance is a considerable number.”

Krug cites Ethereum’s rising revenues since the start of 2020, which according to his data have surged by more than 39,000% since the start of 2020.

With the tailwinds driving the second-largest cryptocurrency, Krug says he believes ETH could soar as high as $18,000 in the current bull run.

“It’s an insanely cheap asset compared to anything else in the public markets with that kind of growth relative to its revenue multiple. It’s not entirely crazy to see Ethereum being able to 5–10x from here, especially when compared to traditional equities markets…

As the market gains confidence that DeFi is here to stay and isn’t a fad, multiples will go up too, and things will begin to be valued by price/revenue/growth in DeFi.”

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« Reply #5242 on: February 23, 2021, 11:42:15 PM »
You literally get to pick Secretariat 1973 WITH long shot 20/1 odds and yet you are worried about space ships coming down from Mars and ruining the race.

It's incredible the lengths you people will go to simply avoid buying and holding BTC.

Some people just have to pretend to be the badass though.

"Wheeling and dealing"

"Trading in and out of positions"

"Ethereum, Litecoin, Tron, Polkadot, EOS, etc etc is the future bro"

How about just own the revolutionary technology instead?

Buy Amazon. Hold Amazon.

Buy Apple. Hold Apple.

Buy Bitcoin. Hold Bitcoin.

It's that simple folks.

There's never only one currency or commodity in any market globally.

Bitcoin maximalists might not like that some of their limelight is being taken away and attention is going to other cryptocurrencies as well, but this is the nature of a free-market system.

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« Reply #5243 on: February 24, 2021, 12:38:03 AM »
There's never only one currency or commodity in any market globally.

Bitcoin maximalists might not like that some of their limelight is being taken away and attention is going to other cryptocurrencies as well, but this is the nature of a free-market system.

Take away whatever perceived attention that you want, I've been in this game for almost 4 years.

Go back through the thread, I purchased Ethereum back in 2017 at the 300 dollar range and all the way up to the $1400 crash.

I thought I was clever back then too.

"The Flippening"

Ah man, Ethereum is going to SURPASS the market share of Bitcoin!!

That was the narrative back then.

But after spending 100s and 100s of hours digging down, there is simply no question: Bitcoin is King.

It's a decentralized protocol with a hard cap of 21 million.

Digital scarcity.

Modern day land grab. Get you a piece of it while you still can.

I literally ran into a burning building when the world was on fire with Covid panic in March and brought more Bitcoin. The result today is a 12 bagger. Soon it will be a 15 bagger then a 20 bagger and so forth and so on.

That's how much I believe in what I have invested in.

What are your results so far in this sector?

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5244 on: February 24, 2021, 03:53:34 AM »
How many banks do we have? How many internet providers do we have? Energy providers? How many supermarkets? How many car models? Markets need choice.

why would anyone assume ‘there can be only one’?

Is the internet only google? Or do we have Facebook, Instagram, tiktok, LinkedIn, reddit, YouTube, Vimeo, Spotify, email, facechat, messenger etc? All markets have specialties and generally a few large players in each specialty.


Name one thing digital that has never been super-seeded.


As for ETH it’s a short term thing that offers higher risk/reward than BTC. Plenty of data supports it in a market cycle top year. Perhaps it’s new to some people on here but there are short term investment strategies. Not everything is planned on a long timeline.




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« Reply #5245 on: February 24, 2021, 07:50:08 AM »
^^^^^^ I have a lot of GPU cards - over 40 to be precise. You are not going to get these payouts with one GPU. One ASIC miner could match that, but that ASIC miner would cost over $20,000.

Got a pic of your rig?

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« Reply #5246 on: February 24, 2021, 08:01:30 AM »
Legit LOL  :D

You're all better men then me I guess. It wasn't long ago, (around the Saylor events, back in beginning of Feb.  that I mentioned we could see a rally)  and you said it wouldn't amount to shit with your game of thrones analogy. it blasted to all time high right after that but hey, what do I know.  :-\
Not everything is TA, news moves markets too. Even more so at times.

The prices rebound a bit and now everyone has diamond hands...lol ok. I have no.problems being conservative with my plays. Don't know what's so funny about that.

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« Reply #5247 on: February 24, 2021, 08:36:50 AM »
I can respect that. Not everyone can stomach these corrections and 20%+ drops.

That said, even I am starting to look into buying cryptos.

Off the top of my head, I am considering fractional shares in Bitcoin, a small position into ETH, large position in Binance Coin, Polkadot and Cardano.

Even with this risky endeavor, I would only invest 10% of my portfolio into cryptos, as I know it's volatility can fuck anyone up.

It's money that you have to be ready to part with. Set it and forget it kind of thing...

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Thanks. I sat through the last cycle and watched everything go down and sideways for what seemed like forever. No thanks. Ill err on the side of caution and enjoy what I have. I'll pay my taxes. Everyone can laugh away. I dont care. I had the tax man up my asshole years ago. Wasn't fun. As long as I realize meaningful profits I am content.

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« Reply #5248 on: February 24, 2021, 09:16:31 AM »
Thanks. I sat through the last cycle and watched everything go down and sideways for what seemed like forever. No thanks. Ill err on the side of caution and enjoy what I have. I'll pay my taxes. Everyone can laugh away. I dont care. I had the tax man up my asshole years ago. Wasn't fun. As long as I realize meaningful profits I am content.

This is not a bad stance to have.

Trust me, I deal with clients that undergo audits all the time and the IRS just doesn't care about anyone's particular circumstances, they come after you with everything they've got.

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« Reply #5249 on: February 24, 2021, 09:47:25 AM »
MicroStrategy buys more than $1 billion worth of bitcoin, adding to massive holdings.