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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #5250 on: February 24, 2021, 10:19:33 AM »
http://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2021-02-24/coinshares-is-launching-an-exchange-traded-ethereum-product

CoinShares Is Launching an Exchange-Traded Ethereum Product

CoinShares, a St. Helier, Jersey-based digital-asset investment house with over $4 billion under management, is launching a physically backed, exchange-traded Ethereum product.

It will be listed under the ticker ETHE on the SIX Swiss Exchange.

“Bringing innovative products like ETHE allows us to continue setting the industry standard for trust and transparency and provide institutions with easy access to industry-leading crypto investment vehicles,” said Townsend Lansing, head of product at CoinShares.


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« Reply #5251 on: February 24, 2021, 03:49:42 PM »
Got a pic of your rig?
Yes here is a pic of one of the rigs as I assembled it. Originally I planned to have (9) 1070 ti and (6) RX580 cards for a total of 15 GPUs per rig. The motherboard can take up to 19 mining cards. But as I was testing it I discovered it could only work with 13 cards. To get to 19 cards you have to use mining specific cards for the last 6 slots.

So there are 13 GPUs in each rig. (7) 1070 ti and (6) RX580 cards. I have 3 identical rigs. Then I also have a few other computers with various cards ranging from 1070 to 1080 ti to RTX 3090. The RTX 3090 is incredibly powerful, as fast as (4) 1070 ti cards.

ASIC miners can go much faster than these GPU cards for less power.

GPU mining only makes sense at current prices. And you can only obtain ETH as fast as your processing power. The most affordable way to get these assets is to buy them when they are very undervalued at cents or a few dollars. The main reason Bitcoin is not seen as a security by the SEC is because the only way to obtain it initially was to put in the work and mine them with your computer. If they offered BTC up for sale from the get go it would have been in the boat that Ripple / XRP is in right now.

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« Reply #5252 on: February 24, 2021, 04:44:46 PM »
You're all better men then me I guess. It wasn't long ago, (around the Saylor events, back in beginning of Feb.  that I mentioned we could see a rally)  and you said it wouldn't amount to shit with your game of thrones analogy. it blasted to all time high right after that but hey, what do I know.  :-\
Not everything is TA, news moves markets too. Even more so at times.

The prices rebound a bit and now everyone has diamond hands...lol ok. I have no.problems being conservative with my plays. Don't know what's so funny about that.

If the data changes i follow it.

The initial outlook for this rally was 55k. That’s pretty different to 288k and 500k where it now sits. The underlying data has drastically changed making a strategy based around 55k no longer correct for me because it’s highly likely there won’t be a ‘cycle’ to crypto anymore or at least a greatly diminished cycle.

Sorry I don’t keep you up to date with my thought process every hour but each person should do what they think is right for them. I’ll shift in different directions according to the quants (mostly) for analytics and then the main talking heads for a macro market direction.

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« Reply #5253 on: February 24, 2021, 06:21:16 PM »
For any of you interested in mining, and worried about a "51% attack", do take a listen, and learn...


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« Reply #5254 on: February 24, 2021, 06:21:54 PM »
Yes here is a pic of one of the rigs as I assembled it. Originally I planned to have (9) 1070 ti and (6) RX580 cards for a total of 15 GPUs per rig. The motherboard can take up to 19 mining cards. But as I was testing it I discovered it could only work with 13 cards. To get to 19 cards you have to use mining specific cards for the last 6 slots.

So there are 13 GPUs in each rig. (7) 1070 ti and (6) RX580 cards. I have 3 identical rigs. Then I also have a few other computers with various cards ranging from 1070 to 1080 ti to RTX 3090. The RTX 3090 is incredibly powerful, as fast as (4) 1070 ti cards.

ASIC miners can go much faster than these GPU cards for less power.

GPU mining only makes sense at current prices. And you can only obtain ETH as fast as your processing power. The most affordable way to get these assets is to buy them when they are very undervalued at cents or a few dollars. The main reason Bitcoin is not seen as a security by the SEC is because the only way to obtain it initially was to put in the work and mine them with your computer. If they offered BTC up for sale from the get go it would have been in the boat that Ripple / XRP is in right now.

Does that room get hot? How do you cool it?

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« Reply #5255 on: February 24, 2021, 06:23:25 PM »
I had a friend who was running rigs with 24 aircons on in the house. His wife was not overly happy with the set up. Also had a little experimental meth lab running in once of the rooms. Crazy guy! (And not it was not Whiggs...)

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« Reply #5256 on: February 24, 2021, 07:00:47 PM »
Does that room get hot? How do you cool it?
I only assembled it there. I moved two rigs down into the basement. I separated the two towers and then reassembled in the basement. I was not going to carry those things down stairs lol! But the third rig was carried to my home office and is sitting 8 feet from me. In the winter the rigs heat the house to a very comfortable temperature.

I have an exhaust fan in the basement right above the two rigs to extract hot air. Not necessary in the winter but in the spring / summer it is needed. I am not sure if I will be mining in the summer. It all depends on the price of ETH. If it goes up a lot I'll crank up the AC and pay a $1600 monthly electrical bill. But I'll be withdrawing ETH at that point. If the price of ETH stays the same I might consider just shutting it off and part it out.

If I had a time machine I would go back to 2009 and mine Bitcoin on a couple of computers for a few months and call it a day. 30,000 -50,000 BTC would be a good number. I wonder how much BTC these rigs could have mined in 2010 when the first GPU miner was released? Probably faster than they could issue it right?

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« Reply #5257 on: February 24, 2021, 08:53:28 PM »
If the data changes i follow it.

The initial outlook for this rally was 55k. That’s pretty different to 288k and 500k where it now sits. The underlying data has drastically changed making a strategy based around 55k no longer correct for me because it’s highly likely there won’t be a ‘cycle’ to crypto anymore or at least a greatly diminished cycle.

Sorry I don’t keep you up to date with my thought process every hour but each person should do what they think is right for them. I’ll shift in different directions according to the quants (mostly) for analytics and then the main talking heads for a macro market direction.

Do you still see Ehereum reaching 20k by end of year or January?

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« Reply #5258 on: February 24, 2021, 09:45:53 PM »
In the winter the rigs heat the house to a very comfortable temperature.


Great!

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« Reply #5259 on: February 25, 2021, 04:21:00 AM »
https://cointelegraph.com/news/ethereum-on-track-to-settle-1-6-trillion-this-quarter

Ethereum on track to settle $1.6 trillion this quarter

Ethereum's quarterly settlement value is on course to increase by 1,280% year-over-year.

Ethereum usage is surging this year, with the value of transactions settled on the network skyrocketing during 2021.

The network is currently on-pace to settle $1.6 trillion in transactions for the first quarter of this year. In the last 12 months, Ethereum has already settled $2.1 trillion in transactions.

If Messari’s $1.6 trillion forecast is accurate, Ethereum’s quarterly settlement value will have increased 1,280% compared to Q1 2020, and more than 5,000% compared to Q1 2019.

Messari researcher Ryan Watkins noted the data counters the prevailing narrative that Ethereum is seeing an exodus of users amid its high gas fees, exclaiming:

“Incredible scale for a technology that critics claimed couldn’t scale.”

Ethereum's recent surge in settlement value can be attributed to explosive growth in the DeFi and non-fungible token sector — most of which is based upon Ethereum.

The massive demand on the network has caused gas prices to surge to all-time highs. With many retail traders increasingly getting priced out of using the Ethereum mainnet for smaller transactions.

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« Reply #5260 on: February 25, 2021, 06:02:39 AM »
Yes here is a pic of one of the rigs as I assembled it. Originally I planned to have (9) 1070 ti and (6) RX580 cards for a total of 15 GPUs per rig. The motherboard can take up to 19 mining cards. But as I was testing it I discovered it could only work with 13 cards. To get to 19 cards you have to use mining specific cards for the last 6 slots.

So there are 13 GPUs in each rig. (7) 1070 ti and (6) RX580 cards. I have 3 identical rigs. Then I also have a few other computers with various cards ranging from 1070 to 1080 ti to RTX 3090. The RTX 3090 is incredibly powerful, as fast as (4) 1070 ti cards.

ASIC miners can go much faster than these GPU cards for less power.

GPU mining only makes sense at current prices. And you can only obtain ETH as fast as your processing power. The most affordable way to get these assets is to buy them when they are very undervalued at cents or a few dollars. The main reason Bitcoin is not seen as a security by the SEC is because the only way to obtain it initially was to put in the work and mine them with your computer. If they offered BTC up for sale from the get go it would have been in the boat that Ripple / XRP is in right now.

Cool, thanks for sharing. Very interesting.  I have an rx570. Can I use that for mining? Lol j/k

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« Reply #5261 on: February 25, 2021, 06:24:28 AM »

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« Reply #5262 on: February 25, 2021, 02:18:23 PM »
Do you still see Ehereum reaching 20k by end of year or January?

Lol.  Not a chance.

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« Reply #5263 on: February 25, 2021, 02:43:45 PM »
Anyone see this?

I've said it before, the US dollar as the world reserve gives the USA a lot of leveraging power all throughout the world. It also keeps our position strong as the top world superpower. We lose our standing as having the world reserve currency and we will lose everything. Our relevance will disappear, much like with the British and Dutch empires when their currencies became 2nd & 3rd tier.

Janet Yellen already critiques cryptocurrencies (particularly Bitcoin) and has mentioned several times the need for regulation. Now, her old boyfriend at the Fed, Jerome Powell, is making a digital dollar a "high priority". While I think the crypto train is too far gone to completely stop in its tracks, the value of cryptos can certainly take a further nosedive if the US govt and the fed go after them.

The digital dollar is now high priority for the Fed

https://www.axios.com/digital-dollar-priority-fed-f4daa0a8-0bb1-41d9-8c8d-f75a0d65b2a9.html

The U.S. is starting to get serious about a central-bank-backed digital currency, with recent comments from top officials laying out the strongest support yet.

Driving the news: On Tuesday Fed chair Jerome Powell told Congress that developing a digital dollar is a "high priority project for us," but added that there are "significant technical and policy questions."

  • On Wednesday Fed researchers released a report titled "Preconditions for a general-purpose central bank digital currency," detailing just what some of those questions might be.

Why it matters: More consumers and financial institutions are transitioning toward digital payments, putting greater pressure on policymakers to ensure the dollar's status as the world's reserve currency remains intact.

The big picture: Powell's "high priority" language and the ensuing report reflect a shift in rhetoric and action from the Fed, which had previously urged caution and patience on the development of a digital dollar.

  • Treasury Secretary and former Fed chair Janet Yellen had similar comments earlier this week, saying, “It makes sense for central banks to be looking at” the issue.
  • “Too many Americans don’t have access to easy payments systems and banking accounts, and I think this is something that a digital dollar, a central bank digital currency, could help with. It could result in faster, safer and cheaper payments, which I think are important goals.”

What's happening: Cash accounted for just 20.5% of all in-store payments globally, down by nearly a third from 2019, according to a report from financial services company FIS. By 2024 FIS expects that to drop to 13%.

  • "The pandemic accelerated the decline of cash by over three years, exceeding in 2020 our previous projection for 2023," FIS analysts note in the report.

Between the lines: Perhaps more important than the decline in cash usage is the growing popularity of cryptocurrencies and the acceleration of real-world testing by China's central bank of its own digital currency.

  • Data analysis company MicroStrategy announced Wednesday it had purchased another $1 billion of bitcoin, while payment processor Square announced it had added another $170 million of the cryptocurrency.
  • China on Tuesday said that the People's Bank of China was extending testing of its digital renminbi to the city of Chengdu, which is home to 16 million people.
  • And the PBOC announced it would be participating in a cross-border payment project with the central banks of Thailand, United Arab Emirates and Hong Kong that would explore distributed ledger technology.

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« Reply #5264 on: February 25, 2021, 02:47:02 PM »
I have a question - am a complete noob with this.

Say someone is sitting on a huge bitcoin wallet that netted them a shit ton of of profit - like 30-40 million.

How do they convert that to actual cash?  Who pays it, is the transaction tracked for tax purposes, etc?

I had read there were bitcoin atms at one point, but wondered about large scale.

Also, anytime someone gains in a market, someone loses.  Who loses when the bitcoin appreciates......in other words, if someone wants to cash in their bitcoin, there needs to be a buyer at that price, right?   I know the brokerage houses play this function in the real market...or something like that.
If someone with a huge bitcoin wallet wants to sell it all they could create an account on Coinbase or a competitor and send the Bitcoin to their Bitcoin wallet on Coinbase. Then they can sell all the Bitcoin to dollars. Or they can sell it to a stable coin and have it collect interest. The interest rates for stable coins are much higher than you could get with savings accounts in traditional banks.

If they want all the money in dollars they can hold the dollar value on Coinbase and then start withdrawing on a daily basis. There is a $50,000 per day limit. Or they could contact Coinbase and ask for an increase. I am sure they would increase it for a large holder. The whole point of limiting withdrawals is to prevent a run on the bank situation. Coinbase has a finite amount of funds available and they have a large user base.

https://help.coinbase.com/en/pro/trading-and-funding/trading-rules-and-fees/limits

Deposit & Withdrawal Limits
Deposits of cryptocurrency are unlimited. Deposits of fiat currency (US Dollar or Euro) are limited by payment method. Deposits via wires are unlimited, but deposits of fiat currency via ACH transfers or SEPA are limited based on your weekly bank transfer limit. You can see your weekly bank transfer limit by going to your Limits page.

Withdrawals of both cryptocurrency and fiat currency are limited. Coinbase Pro account holders have a daily withdrawal limit of $50,000/day. This amount applies across all currencies (for example, you can withdraw up to $50,000 worth of ETH per day).

To be considered for higher withdrawal limits, please go to your Limits page within Coinbase Pro and select Increase Limits.

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« Reply #5265 on: February 25, 2021, 02:50:23 PM »
If someone

Hey Obsidian,

I just recently bought my nephew some alt coins on Binance.us. I literally opened an account for him and used my debit card.

Someone told me that he will now NEED a Nano ledger x in order to safely store his coins. But then I read online that the coins are safely stored on Binance.us. So what's the actual truth here?

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« Reply #5266 on: February 25, 2021, 02:52:29 PM »
Lol.  Not a chance.
Institutional investors might disagree. A retail investor might not see this happening. They are not the ones that could push the price up that high. Institutions also don't care about high gas fees. Bitcoin's price was not pushed to 50k because grandma and grandpa bought BTC. It was large investors that pushed it up.

There is a lot of fud goin on about Ethereum right now because of the high gas fees. But Ethereum has major partnerships with Fortune 500 companies. Ethereum 2.0 is a big improvement but slow in development because Ethereum has many live projects on it. It is not easy to upgrade with all these constraints. Plus you have proof of work miners in the mix securing the network. Cardano does not have these constraints and is already in full Proof of Stake mode. But it has few partnerships. That could change moving forward. However even Cardano is not yet complete and still not 100% live.

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« Reply #5267 on: February 25, 2021, 03:06:07 PM »
Hey Obsidian,

I just recently bought my nephew some alt coins on Binance.us. I literally opened an account for him and used my debit card.

Someone told me that he will now NEED a Nano ledger x in order to safely store his coins. But then I read online that the coins are safely stored on Binance.us. So what's the actual truth here?

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I have a Nano Ledger S and it is a pain in the ass. I stored some alt coins on it because Binance US does not support them yet - TRON for example. There is a digital display with buttons on the ledger and you have to unlock it every time you want to access the coins. The Nano S can also only store a limited number of cryptos because of storage space limitation. The Nano X is a better option for sure because it has more storage space and you can have many crypto wallets on it. I wish I had that one. I bought mine 3 years ago before the X was available. Technical prowess is needed to use these.

There is the risk that he could lose the ledger or his access keys. I would read up on what options are available if that were to happen.

So I think Binance and Coinbase should be ok for storing it. I have been storing cryptos on both for 3 years without issue.

If he had millions of dollars in cryptos then that is a different matter and a lot of planning would have to go into placing it in cold storage and I am not sure what the best route would be in that case. I personally would be nervous storing all that on a Nano Ledger knowing the device could break, I could lose my keys or the Ledger etc. It is a USB device after all and have we not all had a USB flash drive fail over the years?

Even storing it at a bank vault is a risk if anything happens there.

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« Reply #5268 on: February 25, 2021, 03:08:23 PM »
I have a Nano Ledger S and it is a pain in the ass. I stored some alt coins on it because Binance US does not support them yet - TRON for example. There is a digital display with buttons on the ledger and you have to unlock it every time you want to access the coins. The Nano S can also only store a limited number of cryptos because of storage space limitation. The Nano X is a better option for sure because it has more storage space and you can have many crypto wallets on it. I wish I had that one. I bought mine 3 years ago before the X was available. Technical prowess is needed to use these.

There is the risk that he could lose the ledger or his access keys. I would read up on what options are available if that were to happen.

So I think Binance and Coinbase should be ok for storing it. I have been storing cryptos on both for 3 years without issue.

If he had millions of dollars in cryptos then that is a different matter and a lot of planning would have to go into placing it in cold storage and I am not sure what the best route would be in that case. I personally would be nervous storing all that on a Nano Ledger knowing the device could break, I could lose my keys or the Ledger etc. It is a USB device after all and have we not all had a USB flash drive fail over the years?

Even storing it at a bank vault is a risk if anything happens there.

That's what I thought as well. I was going to buy him the ledger X, but then I thought it was probably not the best idea, because (as you said) if he loses it, he loses all of his money.

Thank you sir.

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« Reply #5269 on: February 25, 2021, 03:53:01 PM »
I wouldn't be surprised to see eth drop significantly lower  for the short term

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« Reply #5270 on: February 25, 2021, 03:58:39 PM »
That's what I thought as well. I was going to buy him the ledger X, but then I thought it was probably not the best idea, because (as you said) if he loses it, he loses all of his money.

Thank you sir.

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Buy a safe and leave it in there. Crypto isnt stored on the ledger. The nano holds the private keys you need to access your crypto. As long as ge doesn't lose his 24 word access phrase, he's ok.

  Plus you can store many different crypto account info on it but unfortunately you have to rotate them off and on the screen to be seen. There's only so many visible at a time. The x stores more than the s.

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« Reply #5271 on: February 25, 2021, 05:12:48 PM »
Cool, thanks for sharing. Very interesting.  I have an rx570. Can I use that for mining? Lol j/k
Does it have 8GB RAM? If only 4 GB then no the Ethereum DAG file is now almost that size. It has to be loaded in the RAM of the GPU. All my GPU cards have 8 GB or more. The 1080 ti has 11 GB and then 3090 has 24 GB RAM. 6 GB cards can still mine Ethereum. You can still mine Ethereum Classic with less than 4 GB RAM.

Looks like you can make more than $2 per day mining ETH with a RX470 8 GB card today. That number goes up when there are a lot of transactions going on. Right now it is relatively quiet with Ethereum so my profits are a bit less.

https://www.cryptocompare.com/mining/calculator/eth?HashingPower=29.5&HashingUnit=MH%2Fs&PowerConsumption=100&CostPerkWh=0.12&MiningPoolFee=1

You can also check this site:

https://whattomine.com/

If you want more info I can tell you which mining pools to go to and what software to use. I'll post the configurations here.

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« Reply #5272 on: February 25, 2021, 05:42:26 PM »
I've been using Ethermine and in the past Nanopool.

I had a nightmare experience with Ethpool which is more suitable for very large mining farms. I was stuck on that pool in 2018 for 1 month trying to get to the top of the list to claim a block reward of 3+ ETH. I kept falling back in the queue as massive 100 GH/s + farms came from behind and took the rewards on a daily basis. For reference a RTX 3090 can mine at up to 120-124 MH/s. An AMD RX470 can achieve 29.5 or maybe 30 MH/s.

1 GH/s = 1,000 MH/s
100 GH/s = 100,000 MH/s or the equivalent of more than 800 RTX 3090 graphics cards which are selling for close to $2,000 each!

So I was at risk of having to mine for 2 months or more before ever hoping to get a mediocre reward of 3+ ETH. Those large farms also got rewards on top of the fee based on if they were the dominant miner for a certain period. So they got a 3.2 ETH payout + 5-7 ETH in rewards. A cool 8-10 ETH payout on a daily or hourly basis depending on their hashing power.

I ended up buying hashing power on NiceHash and pointed that to my miner address on Ethpool. I bought it with Bitcoin and sent it to my NiceHash account. I purchased about 80-120 GH/s for a period of 3 days. The length depends on how much Bitcoin you paid. You can change the hash power on the fly but the higher you go the faster your Bitcoin is consumed. If you stop the lease before all of your allocated Bitcoin is spent you get to keep the leftover Bitcoin. It works kind of like a Taxi service where the meter is running.

So I had the NiceHash 80-120 GH/s miner along with all my rigs mining on Ethpool and within a few hours I was at the top and got a 3.2 ETH payout. And I did not get a reward. That was an expensive lesson to learn. I dropped Ethpool right after I got my payout and went to Nanopool and then after that Ethermine. Been with Ethermine ever since. I also mined ZCASH on Flypool for about 2 weeks with my Nvidia cards. Earned about 3.5 ZEC in that period. ZEC mining is not possible with a GPU anymore.

Mining was a bad idea in 2018.


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« Reply #5273 on: February 25, 2021, 05:45:46 PM »
Does it have 8GB RAM? If only 4 GB then no the Ethereum DAG file is now almost that size. It has to be loaded in the RAM of the GPU. All my GPU cards have 8 GB or more. The 1080 ti has 11 GB and then 3090 has 24 GB RAM. 6 GB cards can still mine Ethereum. You can still mine Ethereum Classic with less than 4 GB RAM.

Looks like you can make more than $2 per day mining ETH with a RX470 8 GB card today. That number goes up when there are a lot of transactions going on. Right now it is relatively quiet with Ethereum so my profits are a bit less.

https://www.cryptocompare.com/mining/calculator/eth?HashingPower=29.5&HashingUnit=MH%2Fs&PowerConsumption=100&CostPerkWh=0.12&MiningPoolFee=1

You can also check this site:

https://whattomine.com/

If you want more info I can tell you which mining pools to go to and what software to use. I'll post the configurations here.

Its an 8gig. Thanks man. Appreciate the info. My buddy tore down his rigs and has a shitload of 1080 cards. Maybe I can ask him for a few.