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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #6375 on: May 10, 2021, 01:16:09 PM »
OMG relax. There are going to be corrections. This is par for the course with cryptos.

Relax? Its trading man. Lots of people got nuked in seconds.  I just jumped into a long.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #6376 on: May 10, 2021, 01:16:55 PM »

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« Reply #6377 on: May 10, 2021, 01:21:41 PM »
Bitbiy trades with 25x leverage at times. Give it a try.  ;D
You mean bybit.com?

I asked this before and someone answered it but I am still not sure how this works.

Let's say you create a 25x long trade with 1 ETH starting at $4,000 and selling at $4,200 and it goes to that price. What happens? What do you get?

And what if the price goes to $3,800? Is there a time period on the trades? Or you can let them ride as long as you want? You can also close them prematurely correct?

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #6378 on: May 10, 2021, 01:26:30 PM »
You mean bybit.com?

I asked this before and someone answered it but I am still not sure how this works.

Let's say you create a 25x long trade with 1 ETH starting at $4,000 and selling at $4,200 and it goes to that price. What happens? What do you get?

And what if the price goes to $3,800? Is there a time period on the trades? Or you can let them ride as long as you want? You can also close them prematurely correct?

I meant thats how bitboy trades

You have to pay a trading fee every 8 hrs. The fee ranges but is only like. 001% pr so usually. You can create a stop loss anytime and move it where you please during your trade.

Before your order gets executed a pop up window will give you all the details regarding your liquidation price, etc...

Its no different tha spot trading but your profits increase by x amount or drop ny x amount depending on how much your leveraged.

Also say you purchase 5,000 USD worth of BTC on the BTC/USD order book using an extension of margin.

With 5x leverage, only one-fifth of the position size, or 1,000 USD worth, will be withheld from your collateral balance upon purchase of the BTC.

With 2x leverage, half of the position size, or 2,500 USD worth, will be withheld from your collateral balance upon purchase of the BTC.

Without any leverage, you would need a 5,000 USD balance to make this purchase, and this balance would be exchanged directly for the equivalent amount purchased in BTC.



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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #6379 on: May 10, 2021, 01:59:45 PM »
Wonder how many people just got crushed.

Here comes the pain


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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #6380 on: May 10, 2021, 02:02:45 PM »
I never realized how awkward Elon was until I saw the SNL show. Shit.  He better stick to Twitter since at least then we can understand him.

Now for people calling Doge dead etc...  This went from .005 to .70 and now sitting at .50. .  Fuck.  That is a massive gain.  It is alive and well.

He did start the show off telling everyone he has aspergers..

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #6381 on: May 10, 2021, 02:04:22 PM »

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« Reply #6382 on: May 10, 2021, 02:17:45 PM »
All those who support BTC need to get behind the SATS push:

https://u.today/mike-novogratz-urges-exchanges-to-switch-to-sats-as-bitcoin-becomes-too-expensive

BTC maxis in utter meltdown right now. They know a heap of noobs are flooding the market and none of them are going into BTC.

The maxis were asking for it IMO (not you gib). It’ll sort itself out soon enough, maybe this nuke will scare noobs into buying Bitcoin if their shitcoins don’t recover?

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #6383 on: May 10, 2021, 02:28:16 PM »
BTC maxis in utter meltdown right now. They know a heap of noobs are flooding the market and none of them are going into BTC.

The maxis were asking for it IMO (not you gib). It’ll sort itself out soon enough, maybe this nuke will scare noobs into buying Bitcoin if their shitcoins don’t recover?

Wait until XRP beats the SEC case and bitcoin loses even more of the market.

(I'm loading up on XRP in the dips)

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #6384 on: May 10, 2021, 02:39:10 PM »
BTC maxis in utter meltdown right now. They know a heap of noobs are flooding the market and none of them are going into BTC.

The maxis were asking for it IMO (not you gib). It’ll sort itself out soon enough, maybe this nuke will scare noobs into buying Bitcoin if their shitcoins don’t recover?

See.that wick on Ethereum. God damn . 3671. Curious to see what the total losses were. Ugly all around.

Eth recovering very quickly. 

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #6385 on: May 11, 2021, 01:48:19 AM »
Looks like we're in meme coin season. Now everyone is talking about Shiba coin. The amount of volume traded in 24 hrs was over 24 billion. The world is a gong show 

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« Reply #6386 on: May 11, 2021, 02:32:18 AM »
See.that wick on Ethereum. God damn . 3671. Curious to see what the total losses were. Ugly all around.

Eth recovering very quickly.

ETH still has the reins for now.

Despite my first price and date being correct my future price model will unfortunately be wrong.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #6387 on: May 11, 2021, 04:26:26 AM »
Over $1.74 billion worth of cryptocurrencies were ‘liquidated’ yesterday as the market saw a deep pullback, data from multiple sources shows

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« Reply #6388 on: May 11, 2021, 04:50:34 AM »
Looks like we're in meme coin season. Now everyone is talking about Shiba coin. The amount of volume traded in 24 hrs was over 24 billion. The world is a gong show

Every body wants to 10x their money getting in early on shit coins because they missed out on the right time to get into the big coins.

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« Reply #6389 on: May 11, 2021, 04:51:11 AM »
Over $1.74 billion worth of cryptocurrencies were ‘liquidated’ yesterday as the market saw a deep pullback, data from multiple sources shows

Gib's playing games.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #6390 on: May 11, 2021, 05:17:02 AM »

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #6391 on: May 11, 2021, 05:51:27 AM »
Blockchain stocks getting raped. That game was a pump and dump.


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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #6392 on: May 11, 2021, 06:03:47 AM »
Blockchain stocks getting raped. That game was a pump and dump.

Still outperformed the stock market and its a reflection of the current price of BTC. If BTC recovers those numbers will go back up.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #6393 on: May 11, 2021, 06:06:50 AM »
ETH still has the reins for now.

Despite my first price and date being correct my future price model will unfortunately be wrong.

How so? And what is it changed to?

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« Reply #6394 on: May 11, 2021, 06:09:47 AM »
Blockchain stocks getting raped. That game was a pump and dump.

Pumped and dumped...YES

Getting raped....NO. Most are sitting higher higher than they were a week ago

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« Reply #6395 on: May 11, 2021, 06:10:59 AM »
ETH still has the reins for now.

Despite my first price and date being correct my future price model will unfortunately be wrong.

As I  told you at the time. It was too optimistic.

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« Reply #6396 on: May 11, 2021, 06:20:35 AM »
Pumped and dumped...YES

Getting raped....NO. Most are sitting higher higher than they were a week ago

Give it time. It’ll be back to 5.


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« Reply #6397 on: May 11, 2021, 06:32:48 AM »
Wall Street Uses Old Tricks in $2.4 Trillion Crypto Jungle

Wall Street traders like Trey Griggs are finding a new lease on life in the $2.4 trillion crypto Wild West.

After two decades in energy trading, the 51-year-old was lured by a former Goldman Sachs Group Inc. colleague this February into a new world of market-making in digital currencies.

Now he’s in fighting spirits -- unleashing old-school finance tricks to exploit the industry’s rampant inefficiencies, volatility and downright weirdness.

“All the fun that used to be had 30 years ago in the commodity markets and is no longer fun -- that fun is now in crypto,” says the U.S. chief executive officer at GSR Markets in Houston.

Griggs is among crypto newcomers deploying systematic strategies that are tried-and-tested in conventional asset classes -- price arbitrage, futures trading, options writing -- in a booming new corner of finance. As more mainstream investors get behind Bitcoin, boutique firms are joining the likes of Mike Novogratz in an ever-broadening crypto rally that keeps breaking records.

For those who can stomach the price swings, the threat of exchange hacks and the byzantine market structure, complex fast-money trades are offering an alternative way to ride the digital mania.

At GSR, the firm’s bread and butter is market-making, where traders pocket the spread between buy and sell orders.

In stocks, that’s a nearly oligarchic business where the likes of Citadel Securities and Virtu Financial operate at lightning speed. In virtual currencies, where hundreds of exchanges offer free access at a slower pace, GSR can capitalize on the big volumes without splurging millions on high-frequency infrastructure.

“Part of the tech we have is just to tell us did we actually trade or not, is this trade good or bad,” says GSR co-founder and former Goldman trader Richard Rosenblum. “We don’t want to be slower than our competitors, but it’s just not quite as much of the driver.”

For every strategy in stocks, bonds or currencies rendered boring by low rates, regulation or market crowding, there’s a lucrative trade in a token lying across the hundreds of exchanges out there. Or so the thinking goes.

While crypto die-hards have made merry like this for years, the relentless rallies across the tokensphere this year are drawing more Wall Street converts seeking riches and new thrills.

Take Mark Treinkman. After a career mostly at proprietary stock-trading shops like Chimera Securities, digital money is renewing his passion for quant trading.

“I’ve been going through some of my old strategies and things that wouldn’t have worked in equities in decades have an edge in crypto still,” he says.

A market-neutral strategy run by his $60 million firm BKCoin Capital gained 71% last year using investing styles that often include arbitraging different prices across exchanges and the gap between the spot and futures market.

For a few minutes during trading on Wednesday, for example, the price of Ethereum Classic jumped well above $100 on the Coinbase exchange. The digital token was trading at less than $80 at other venues, offering an obvious opportunity for investors to make money simply by buying in one place and selling in another.

It’s one of the best-known -- albeit diminishing -- discrepancies exploited by the likes of Alameda Research, a crypto trading firm filled with former traders from high-frequency shops. A famous example is the kimchi premium, the tendency for Bitcoin to trade higher in South Korea thanks to strong demand and the difficulty of moving money around to profit from the gap.

With no one-stop prime broker to centralize trading books and offer clients leverage across venues, traders like Treinkman face plenty of challenges in their bid to arbitrage price gaps, but say the rewards are commensurate.

And the opportunities pop up everywhere. For instance, when longer-dated futures in pretty much any asset class trade higher than the spot price -- known as contango -- the former almost always converges to the latter as the contracts mature.

That’s popularized the crypto basis trade, where an investor goes long the spot rate and shorts the futures.

When Bitcoin last peaked in mid-April, the December contracts were nearly 4% higher than August which were in turn about 2% higher than the spot reference rate, as speculators unleashed bets on rising prices. By contrast, the December oil contracts were trading beneath August’s on the same day, according to the data compiled by Bloomberg.

“The crypto market is still dominated by retail investors who use excessive leverage and bid the premiums for futures,” said Nikita Fadeev, a fund manager at $60 million crypto unit at quant firm Fasanara Capital.

Trades common in the industry also include short-term momentum and a form of statistical arbitrage, which bets on gaps between various tokens eventually closing like when Ethereum is surging but Bitcoin isn’t, Fadeev says.

As assets grew, the fund recently appointed Laurent Marquis, the former co-head of derivatives at Citadel Securities, as chief risk officer, and Steve Mobbs, co-founder of quant fund Oxford Asset Management, as senior adviser.

Over in Zug, Switzerland, St. Gotthard Fund Management has transformed from an old-school family office writing options on Swiss shares to a digital evangelist in its income strategy aiming to yield 8% a year. Just like in stocks, the investing style sells derivatives to take advantage of big demand to hedge price swings -- which causes the volatility priced into options to be higher than what’s likely to come to pass.

For option writers like St. Gotthard, that means the premiums are much juicier, though they also come with a higher risk of having to actually pay out, like an insurer during an earthquake.

“The major difference at the end of the day is how much premium retail investors are willing to pay,” says chief investment officer Daniel Egger. “On the other hand of course we’ve written calls we wished we hadn’t in those moves up.”

In fact, going long crypto over the past year has proved the easiest and most profitable way to tap into the boom. And for those choosing the systematic route, competition is rising.

For example, in order to get an edge in its market-making strategy, BKCoin has recently installed servers at Asian crypto exchanges, a move known as co-location in the high-frequency world of stocks. It’s a sign the industry is growing up fast.

“In any emerging market we’ve seen these inefficiencies decrease over time,” said George Zarya, founder of Bequant, a crypto prime brokerage that caters to systematic traders. “There are more professional players that come in.”

(Updates first chart and market value in first paragraph. An earlier version corrected the seventh paragraph under the second chart to show Fasanara does not engage in momentum and stat-arb trades but says they are common in industry.)

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #6398 on: May 11, 2021, 08:16:28 AM »
Ain't spending three days reading this thread, so.... apologies if this has been asked before...

Which do you prefer to buy the crypto with?  Robinhood or Coinbase?  Why?

It seems (or at least the few times I read online news) that Robinhood tends to crash and go down in peak trading sprees, like when a coin is trending upward superfast.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #6399 on: May 11, 2021, 08:38:51 AM »
Ain't spending three days reading this thread, so.... apologies if this has been asked before...

Which do you prefer to buy the crypto with?  Robinhood or Coinbase?  Why?

It seems (or at least the few times I read online news) that Robinhood tends to crash and go down in peak trading sprees, like when a coin is trending upward superfast.

they both suck


Use Binance or Huobi and then get a hard wallet