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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #7325 on: June 14, 2021, 09:58:19 AM »
I still think Real Estate (properties but also including land assets) is the safest haven. It's the best hedge against inflation and economic collapse, as people still need a place to live and there is a finite supply of land available to build/inhabit in.

Crypto has a world of potential, but we might not yet be in that world. It could very well take a total collapse of the US Economic system (looking to have a high potential at this point) to set the stage for a decentralized form of currency that can connect the "unheard" masses and get the greedy hands of the central banks out of the finances of the average person and business.

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If you're buying  real estate at the current prices, you're pretty much having to pay a premium for it, so is it really a safe haven against inflation? You're basically buying with an element of inflation built into the price and it could still end up going against you. Having said that there doesn't look to be too many better options.

I'm actually going to go look at an apartment in a high rise residential block tomorrow. Those types of properties took a hit in price and demand dropped because of lockdowns. At least I'll be buying something that has at some point had a higher valuation.

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« Reply #7326 on: June 14, 2021, 01:27:15 PM »
This will probably be the last time to sell as high as ~$40k. Great permanent exit point if you missed exiting above $40k. Deposit to a safe low interest savings account and you'll exceed the future performance of btc by a lot.

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« Reply #7327 on: June 14, 2021, 01:55:51 PM »
If you're buying  real estate at the current prices, you're pretty much having to pay a premium for it, so is it really a safe haven against inflation? You're basically buying with an element of inflation built into the price and it could still end up going against you. Having said that there doesn't look to be too many better options.

I'm actually going to go look at an apartment in a high rise residential block tomorrow. Those types of properties took a hit in price and demand dropped because of lockdowns. At least I'll be buying something that has at some point had a higher valuation.

These current prices are inflationary. No way would I buy or recommend anyone else buy real estate at this point. Inflation is very real, as you know. I've been Paul Revere'ing it for the better part of a year in stating that inflation is coming. Now that hard assets (real estate, stock market, gas/oil) have clearly experienced it over the last 6+ months, consumers are slowly starting to feel it via the CPI increases we are seeing on a monthly basis.

To answer your second question..."is it really a hedge against inflation? Absolutely, especially for people like myself who have held real estate for years, the increase in asset value has allowed for pulling out money (HELOC) to buy even more properties (expand wealth) and increase rents as well....WIN/WIN. I've been using other people's money to expand my real estate assets, collecting premium rents and keeping them tax free via depreciation. Literally, I make money while I sleep and none of it gets taxed.

Good for you on looking into the new apartment. Depending on the city, it can rise exponentially in value over time.

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« Reply #7328 on: June 14, 2021, 02:43:00 PM »
Land grab.

21 million will only ever be produced.

MicroStrategy completes $500 million offering, plans to buy more Bitcoin

Software company MicroStrategy has today completed its $500 million offering of secured notes, according to a statement. The company said it plans to use the proceeds, which it estimates at $488 million — after discounts, comissions and expenses — to buy more bitcoin.

The offering was of secured notes due 2028 that bear interest at an annual rate of 6.125%.

The company already holds 92,079 bitcoin, which is under the purview of its newly formed subsidiary MacroStrategy. The price of bitcoin is currently $40,700, suggesting that MicroStrategy will be able to buy around 11,990 more bitcoin, taking it well above the 100,000 mark.

MicroStrategy announced this latest offering on June 7, initially planning to raise $400 million before it was upped to $500 million. According to reports, the company had more than $1.6 billion worth of orders for the notes, "including interest from a large number of hedge funds."

https://www.theblockcrypto.com/linked/108334/microstrategy-completes-500-million-offering-plans-to-buy-more-bitcoin

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« Reply #7329 on: June 14, 2021, 04:45:27 PM »
This will probably be the last time to sell as high as ~$40k. Great permanent exit point if you missed exiting above $40k. Deposit to a safe low interest savings account and you'll exceed the future performance of btc by a lot.

You can almost fold this in half and be symmetrical.

42k was the first entry point on the way up.

We are looking to 42k now as the last exit point.

Twitter at euphoric stage today basically saying 47k is in the bag. Meanwhile there is risk around interest rate announcement on Wednesday.

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« Reply #7330 on: June 14, 2021, 04:52:58 PM »
Microstragy and  Michael Saylor throwing throwing money at bitcoin doesn't necessarily fill me with confidence.

Most of his recent plays have been him buying at the top of the market .


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« Reply #7331 on: June 14, 2021, 05:01:57 PM »
These current prices are inflationary. No way would I buy or recommend anyone else buy real estate at this point. Inflation is very real, as you know. I've been Paul Revere'ing it for the better part of a year in stating that inflation is coming. Now that hard assets (real estate, stock market, gas/oil) have clearly experienced it over the last 6+ months, consumers are slowly starting to feel it via the CPI increases we are seeing on a monthly basis.

To answer your second question..."is it really a hedge against inflation? Absolutely, especially for people like myself who have held real estate for years, the increase in asset value has allowed for pulling out money (HELOC) to buy even more properties (expand wealth) and increase rents as well....WIN/WIN. I've been using other people's money to expand my real estate assets, collecting premium rents and keeping them tax free via depreciation. Literally, I make money while I sleep and none of it gets taxed.

Good for you on looking into the new apartment. Depending on the city, it can rise exponentially in value over time.

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Thanks for the reply.

It's in London. We've had our exponential price rises between 2010 to 2018. I don't see a Singapore type situation where prices can continue climbing. Just looking to keep money safe and collect a guaranteed rent.

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« Reply #7332 on: June 14, 2021, 07:03:26 PM »
Land grab.

21 million will only ever be produced.

MicroStrategy completes $500 million offering, plans to buy more Bitcoin

Software company MicroStrategy has today completed its $500 million offering of secured notes, according to a statement. The company said it plans to use the proceeds, which it estimates at $488 million — after discounts, comissions and expenses — to buy more bitcoin.

The offering was of secured notes due 2028 that bear interest at an annual rate of 6.125%.

The company already holds 92,079 bitcoin, which is under the purview of its newly formed subsidiary MacroStrategy. The price of bitcoin is currently $40,700, suggesting that MicroStrategy will be able to buy around 11,990 more bitcoin, taking it well above the 100,000 mark.

MicroStrategy announced this latest offering on June 7, initially planning to raise $400 million before it was upped to $500 million. According to reports, the company had more than $1.6 billion worth of orders for the notes, "including interest from a large number of hedge funds."

https://www.theblockcrypto.com/linked/108334/microstrategy-completes-500-million-offering-plans-to-buy-more-bitcoin

Absolutely - and we can also all do this on a micro scale as individuals, which over time collectively becomes a massive macro move...

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« Reply #7333 on: June 14, 2021, 07:10:11 PM »
I still think Real Estate (properties but also including land assets) is the safest haven. It's the best hedge against inflation and economic collapse, as people still need a place to live and there is a finite supply of land available to build/inhabit in.

Crypto has a world of potential, but we might not yet be in that world. It could very well take a total collapse of the US Economic system (looking to have a high potential at this point) to set the stage for a decentralized form of currency that can connect the "unheard" masses and get the greedy hands of the central banks out of the finances of the average person and business.

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Here's the downside:

-Real estate can be compulsorily acquired by the Government.
-It is not immovable and cannot be transferred across boarders.
-Huge friction in transaction costs (both to buy and sell).
-Maintenance costs ongoing.
-Requires ongoing effort if renting it to earn a yield.
-Can be heavily taxed (both on acquisition, on an ongoing basis, and massively via capital gains tax on any sale).
-For most people is leveraged, and value is thus highly influenced via interest rates. (This can be both a positive of a negative).
-Virtually unlimited supply can be produced in most countries, unless a very small place like HK or Singapore or Monaco (via more apartments that can be built upwards on plots of land).

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« Reply #7334 on: June 14, 2021, 07:26:59 PM »
Is it possible for a hacker to just wipe out Bitcoin? Seriously. 

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« Reply #7335 on: June 14, 2021, 07:57:06 PM »
Is it possible for a hacker to just wipe out Bitcoin? Seriously.


No not really a hack by one source, but if necessary the SWIFT members could just have govts block the code at ISP level.

Or they could just have govt asset Elon tweet it into oblivion.

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« Reply #7336 on: June 14, 2021, 08:05:49 PM »
JPM now hoarding cash as they believe rates are going to rise…….

Barry Silter now long on VIX……

Metals already started to puke…..

The Fed said 2%-3% inflation was fine with them. It’s now 5% which is an interest rate risk flag.

At this same time MSTR raised 500M junk bonds to buy more Bitcoin and announced a proposal for the ability to sell 1B in shares…….


So for the Bitcoin Bulls, do you feel Saylor is buying at 40k because it’s going to fly upwards at any moment and decouple from the financial world?

I’ll make my viewpoint crystal clear, Saylor knows full well BTC had it’s top and is in a bear market. he knows a rate rise is incoming and it will trigger a huge sell off across financial markets, particularly crypto. Therefore Saylor is raising funds not to buy at 40k but at much lower prices.

when he buys he announces it straight away. Everyone expected him to buy so they front ran yesterday but yet radio silence from Saylor…… something worth pondering.

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« Reply #7337 on: June 14, 2021, 08:17:34 PM »
Is it possible for a hacker to just wipe out Bitcoin? Seriously.

For all intents and purposes, no. Has not yet happened, ever, in the entire history of bitcoin and virtually impossible every to happen in the future.

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« Reply #7338 on: June 14, 2021, 08:23:56 PM »
Is it possible for a hacker to just wipe out Bitcoin? Seriously.

Are you talking about quantum computing/super computers?  They need to operate at -180c as they require extreme computational output.  Even if it were capable why would you hack btc? The value would drop almost immediately and you would be holding nothing  burgers. If a hacker were that nefarious id probably avoid airports and anywhere  next to w nuclear base.


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« Reply #7339 on: June 14, 2021, 09:42:10 PM »
Are you talking about quantum computing/super computers?  They need to operate at -180c as they require extreme computational output.  Even if it were capable why would you hack btc? The value would drop almost immediately and you would be holding nothing  burgers. If a hacker were that nefarious id probably avoid airports and anywhere  next to w nuclear base.

Yes, agree. Hence theoretical. It's like saying that in theory, someone could steal all the gold in the world, and then destroy it by send it all into outer-space. Theoretical, but is never going to happen in reality.

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« Reply #7340 on: June 15, 2021, 02:49:18 AM »
JPM now hoarding cash as they believe rates are going to rise…….

Barry Silter now long on VIX……

Metals already started to puke…..

The Fed said 2%-3% inflation was fine with them. It’s now 5% which is an interest rate risk flag.

At this same time MSTR raised 500M junk bonds to buy more Bitcoin and announced a proposal for the ability to sell 1B in shares…….


So for the Bitcoin Bulls, do you feel Saylor is buying at 40k because it’s going to fly upwards at any moment and decouple from the financial world?

I’ll make my viewpoint crystal clear, Saylor knows full well BTC had it’s top and is in a bear market. he knows a rate rise is incoming and it will trigger a huge sell off across financial markets, particularly crypto. Therefore Saylor is raising funds not to buy at 40k but at much lower prices.

when he buys he announces it straight away. Everyone expected him to buy so they front ran yesterday but yet radio silence from Saylor…… something worth pondering.

Guess we're going to find out soon enough.

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« Reply #7341 on: June 15, 2021, 04:19:12 AM »
Girlfriends, take a look at the movements post large peaks/spikes.

2017 and 2019 look at the first small squiggle on the initial drop and look at 2021. exactly the same look and it’s right before a second smack down in price.

The dead cat bounce is the squiggle Then we have multiple bounces after before the uptrend is started.




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« Reply #7342 on: June 15, 2021, 04:37:16 AM »
JPM now hoarding cash as they believe rates are going to rise…….

Barry Silter now long on VIX……

Metals already started to puke…..

The Fed said 2%-3% inflation was fine with them. It’s now 5% which is an interest rate risk flag.

At this same time MSTR raised 500M junk bonds to buy more Bitcoin and announced a proposal for the ability to sell 1B in shares…….


So for the Bitcoin Bulls, do you feel Saylor is buying at 40k because it’s going to fly upwards at any moment and decouple from the financial world?

I’ll make my viewpoint crystal clear, Saylor knows full well BTC had it’s top and is in a bear market. he knows a rate rise is incoming and it will trigger a huge sell off across financial markets, particularly crypto. Therefore Saylor is raising funds not to buy at 40k but at much lower prices.

when he buys he announces it straight away. Everyone expected him to buy so they front ran yesterday but yet radio silence from Saylor…… something worth pondering.

Check the latest 13F filings in HYG. Usually that bond is very stable and does nothing except when there is a market crash. All the big players have added a bunch of fresh PUTS there. Some have also added huge SPY PUTS.

Lets not forget Michael Burry has warned everyone just like back in 2008.

Other than a few "for amusement" positions I'm not involved, but this isn't good news for crypto. If crypto take a dump this month and then takes another dump because of a stockmarket crash where does that put us. Bitcoin under 10k, Eth under $800? It will be carnage, but those would be some sweet buy in prices

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« Reply #7343 on: June 15, 2021, 05:57:36 AM »
Here's the downside:

-Real estate can be compulsorily acquired by the Government.

In my 40+ years of owning real estate (both individual property and family owned), I've never had the government claim eminent domain and take part in condemnation of my land/property. Even in the off chance that they ever did, they practically always provide the real estate owner with fair value compensation.

-It is not immovable and cannot be transferred across boarders.

True. Then again, for someone like me, the USA is where I plan to stay for the rest of my life.
 
-Huge friction in transaction costs (both to buy and sell).

If you're looking to liquidate your assets in a bind, that can be detrimental as time could be of the essence. For me, I am a long term HODL'er of real estate.
 
-Maintenance costs ongoing.

Depends on what type of real estate you own and via what medium. I own everything from land (no real maintenance costs), indwelling units (condos & houses) and shares via REITs. Condos and houses have maintenance costs, but they are also costs I can write off against my taxes, thereby lowering my tax burden.

-Requires ongoing effort if renting it to earn a yield.

Depends on what you own and where you rent. If you own in a city that has high demand and rents are typically high, then getting and keeping tenants can be very simple. Additionally, if you don't like taking part in any "ongoing effort", get yourself a property manager (recommended if you own more than 5 properties at least).

-Can be heavily taxed (both on acquisition, on an ongoing basis, and massively via capital gains tax on any sale).

On acquisition, you can typically share the tax burden between the seller/buyer (makes it easier to stomach). Ongoing property taxes is a way of life, if you earn income in this country you HAVE to pay taxes one way or another (I find ways to lower tax burden). I don't agree with the notion that you have to pay capital gains on any sale to the tune of a "massive amount". This isn't true. As an accountant, I can tell you that if you were to sell a property, I can offset every last cost of repair, most of your interests paid during holding of that asset, cost of your realtor fee and closing costs for your entire transaction. I can easily turn that 15-20% to a measly 7-9% and MOST accountants can.

-For most people is leveraged, and value is thus highly influenced via interest rates. (This can be both a positive of a negative).

This last year and a half, mortgages have been given out for practically nothing. Interest rates have been at an all time low. It's free money they're lending out. Great time to be leveraged over the last 1.5 years.

-Virtually unlimited supply can be produced in most countries, unless a very small place like HK or Singapore or Monaco (via more apartments that can be built upwards on plots of land).

Unless God is creating more land or the oceans are receding and revealing more earth to build upon, not sure I can agree with the virtually unlimited supply.

Still, I would argue highly that when comparing apples to oranges, real estate is still an exponentially better hedge against inflation than Bitcoin.

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« Reply #7344 on: June 15, 2021, 06:07:26 AM »
Are you talking about quantum computing/super computers?  They need to operate at -180c as they require extreme computational output.  Even if it were capable why would you hack btc? The value would drop almost immediately and you would be holding nothing  burgers. If a hacker were that nefarious id probably avoid airports and anywhere  next to w nuclear base.



I wasn't talking about a hacker who's invested in it but one that just wants to fuck with people.

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« Reply #7345 on: June 15, 2021, 07:07:33 AM »
Decentralization and math ultimately wins in the end.


Paul Tudor Jones likes Bitcoin because it's 'reliable' and 'honest,' says Fed policy is 'absolutely bat 's' crazy'


Famed investor Paul Tudor Jones supported putting money in Bitcoin (BTC-USD) on Monday, suggesting that it offers more reliability than Federal Reserve policymakers. He advocated that the ideal portfolio should contain 5% cryptocurrency.

In an interview with CNBC, Jones also railed against Fed policy, calling it "absolutely bat 's' crazy" for ignoring signs of rising inflation to concentrate solely on boosting the economy.

Jones said that if the Fed treats recent inflation data with "nonchalance" at its upcoming meeting, it will act as a "green light" for commodities trade. He specified that this reaction should include the purchase of commodities, gold, and cryptocurrencies.

The billionaire hedge fund manager characterized the current mix of monetary and fiscal policy as the "craziest" since the Fed was created. He suggested that, given the current economy, the combination of high government spending and easy monetary policy goes against economic orthodoxy.

On cryptocurrency, Jones said the asset class offered a good portfolio diversifier, suggesting that it provides more reliability than the people put in charge of policy at the Fed or in Congress and the White House.
Jones suggested that lack of faith in the Fed has driven high prices in both crypto and gold. He called it "disingenuous" for the Fed to refer to inflation as "transitory," a position that has undermined market faith in the central bank.

"Bitcoin is math," Jones said, calling it more "reliable, consistent, honest" than policymakers. He indicated that he doesn't see the same reliability and consistency with "human nature."


https://seekingalpha.com/news/3705997-paul-tudor-jones-likes-bitcoin-because-its-reliable-and-honest-says-fed-policy-is-absolutely-bat-s-crazy

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #7346 on: June 15, 2021, 07:35:55 AM »
Even if it were capable why would you hack btc? The value would drop almost immediately and you would be holding nothing  burgers.


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Some of you folks are very seriously naive.

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« Reply #7347 on: June 15, 2021, 11:26:10 AM »
Almost there.

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« Reply #7348 on: June 15, 2021, 01:32:45 PM »
I wasn't talking about a hacker who's invested in it but one that just wants to fuck with people.

Answered that, if you are capable of hacking  the largest most secure network on earth and growing stronger by the day then you and I have bigger issues on our hands. Why stop at btc? Collapse Wall st, detonate nukes , crash airplanes etc....


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« Reply #7349 on: June 15, 2021, 01:53:00 PM »
Answered that, if you are capable of hacking  the largest most secure network on earth and growing stronger by the day then you and I have bigger issues on our hands. Why stop at btc? Collapse Wall st, detonate nukes , crash airplanes etc....

Autism

If anyone were able to hack BTC they would most likely be autistic and their reasons probably wouldn't make much sense to us.

This guy hacked 100+ US military,  NASA and FBI websites and computers just because he was curious about UFOs.



I believe he was just looking for a way to get home