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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8625 on: May 12, 2022, 11:08:28 PM »



The problem I have with POS is it represents old financial legacy systems which are broken. Top validators are rewarded and can change the rules. POW/btc represents a parallel system which every one can participate on equal terms and not fear the rules been changed half way through due to legislation or an authoritarian regime.



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Yet BTC keeps pumping out blocks every 10minutes without a hiccup for 13 years straight. 

POW > POS

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« Reply #8626 on: May 13, 2022, 01:27:17 AM »
Some people argue on Twitter the whole crypto space will be wiped out. Bitcoin has bottomed 15 - 20 percent from its recent bottom. It does not look like a wipe out to me. That is a strong bounce back. Stocks in europe are also up today.

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« Reply #8627 on: May 13, 2022, 01:29:11 AM »
if you look at a 3 year chart of bitcoin price, then we are bouncing off the 2021 lows. I think the bottom is in - or close to it. That would be my guess. What do you guys think?

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« Reply #8628 on: May 13, 2022, 02:01:01 AM »
Terra Validators Halt Blockchain for Second Time to Plot Next Steps

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 https://www.coindesk.com/business/2022/05/13/terra-validators-halt-blockchain-for-second-time-to-plot-next-steps/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=rss&utm_campaign=headlines



Yet BTC keeps pumping out blocks every 10minutes without a hiccup for 13 years straight. 

POW > POS
Nothing is truly decentralized. Bitcoin would be decentralized on Earth if all the power and internet to run the network came from another planet or moon or numerous moons and planets and was broadcasted to Earth via satellites that are not controlled by Earth and that can defend themselves successfully against an attack. The planet(s) where Bitcoin is secured needs to be able to defend the power stations from interplanetary missile attacks / nukes.

But here on Earth it aims to be decentralized but it still has centralized attributes. Look at this chart. A handful of pools dominate the Bitcoin hash rate. If the three largest pools combined their hash rate they could make a 51% attack on Bitcoin.



https://fortune.com/2021/10/26/bitcoin-mining-capacity-ownership-concentration-top-investors-nber-study/

Just 0.1% of Bitcoin miners control half of all mining capacity, according to a new study

Bitcoin’s surging popularity hasn’t changed one of its original attributes. Its ownership is still concentrated in just a few hands.

The top 10,000 individual investors in Bitcoin control about one-third of the cryptocurrency in circulation, according to a study by the National Bureau of Economic Research.

Crypto enthusiasts have long pondered who the largest owners of Bitcoin are since the early days of the its existence. It can be especially difficult to determine the concentration of ownership, as many of the largest addresses don’t often represent individuals, but exchanges and other entities that hold Bitcoin on behalf of other investors.

However, by using a data collection method that differentiated between addresses belonging to intermediaries and individuals, NBER researchers were able to find the former controlled about 5.5 million Bitcoin at the end of last year while the latter controlled about 8.5 million. Additionally, the top 1,000 individual investors controlled about 3 million, and the concentration could be even greater.

“This measurement of concentration most likely is an understatement since we cannot rule out that some of the largest addresses are controlled by the same entity,” researchers Igor Makarov and Antoinette Schoar wrote.

For instance, the data did not not assign the ownership of early Bitcoins held in about 20,000 addresses to one person (Satoshi Nakamoto) and considered them as belonging to 20,000 different individuals.

The concentration of miners is even more profound, data show. NBER found that the top 10% of miners control 90% of the Bitcoin mining capacity, and just 0.1% (about 50 miners) control 50% of mining capacity. 

Such a high concentration could make the Bitcoin network vulnerable to a 51% attack, where a colluding set of miners or one miner is able to take control of a majority of the network. NBER found the concentration also decreases following sharp increases in the Bitcoin price, meaning the probability the network is vulnerable to a 51% attack is higher when Bitcoin’s price drops sharply.

“Our results suggest that despite the significant attention that Bitcoin has received over the last few years, the Bitcoin ecosystem is still dominated by large and concentrated players, be it large miners, Bitcoin holders or exchanges,” the researchers wrote. “This inherent concentration makes Bitcoin susceptible to systemic risk and also implies that the majority of the gains from further adoption are likely to fall disproportionately to a small set of participants.”

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8629 on: May 13, 2022, 02:58:51 AM »
When you hear a lot of chatter asking “Is the bottom in?” it’s a pretty good indicator that the bottom isn’t in.

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« Reply #8630 on: May 13, 2022, 05:06:25 AM »
Terra Validators Halt Blockchain for Second Time to Plot Next Steps

They’re forming LUNA and already pushing their new coin.

Rinse and repeat.

There was a tweet from Raoul Pal’s business partner who was involved in running LUNa. Posted it was his only crypto holding and he lost everything and is in the same boat as everyone else…. GTFO….. disgusting tweet done purely as damage control for real Vision and Raoul. The leaders dumped their holdings and ran away with many millions before it went tits up. Crocodile tears

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« Reply #8631 on: May 13, 2022, 05:12:39 AM »
Possible market catalyst we were waiting for.

I mentioned this as a possibility in one of these threads.

Elon Musk has put the Twitter deal on hold……

It went up 26% or so based on his deal, lol at the market carnage about to take place 👀

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« Reply #8632 on: May 13, 2022, 05:24:15 AM »
Are we talking about Raoul Pal? He has questionable morality. He lives in some shitty little island (Cayman Island) or something like that, to avoid paying taxes. I doubt he is dumb enough to put all his eggs into one basket.

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« Reply #8633 on: May 13, 2022, 05:26:07 AM »
from Coinmarketcap:
The Terra blockchain has officially halted and UST has remained de-pegged from the US dollar since 9th May 2022.

why would they do this?
Why not just let it trade?

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« Reply #8634 on: May 13, 2022, 05:46:20 AM »
Possible market catalyst we were waiting for.

I mentioned this as a possibility in one of these threads.

Elon Musk has put the Twitter deal on hold……

It went up 26% or so based on his deal, lol at the market carnage about to take place 👀

Down big pre market even though futures are up big. Something is up. They also announced a hiring freeze.


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« Reply #8635 on: May 13, 2022, 05:46:26 AM »
Are we talking about Raoul Pal? He has questionable morality. He lives in some shitty little island (Cayman Island) or something like that, to avoid paying taxes. I doubt he is dumb enough to put all his eggs into one basket.

It’s his business partner from Real Vision. Reme.

from Coinmarketcap:
The Terra blockchain has officially halted and UST has remained de-pegged from the US dollar since 9th May 2022.

why would they do this?
Why not just let it trade?

Because it is no longer any sort of product and becomes a wrecking ball hurting customers on exchanges.

You got to remember this is an extreme case. $100 down to $1 then Degenerates YOLO’d and managed  to lose another 99%. Then even more degenerates pinged from 0.01 and managed to lose another 99%.

It was basically a spastic convention.

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« Reply #8636 on: May 13, 2022, 05:47:48 AM »
Dorsey’s other baby. I remember shitheads on CNBC pimping this company when it was in the 200s

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« Reply #8637 on: May 13, 2022, 05:56:43 AM »
I still believe $BTC will go lower. With all these hedge funds liquidating, there's a whole lot more room to go down.

Bitcoin target $11K. I know, sounds insane to suggest such a low number.

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« Reply #8638 on: May 13, 2022, 06:02:12 AM »
I still believe $BTC will go lower. With all these hedge funds liquidating, there's a whole lot more room to go down.

Bitcoin target $11K. I know, sounds insane to suggest such a low number.

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Agree. Remember when this stock was the shit? Probably will go to zero.

I don’t claim to know the bottom but when busts happen people get surprised by how low prices can go an example being the banks in 2008.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8639 on: May 13, 2022, 06:06:57 AM »
I still believe $BTC will go lower. With all these hedge funds liquidating, there's a whole lot more room to go down.

Bitcoin target $11K. I know, sounds insane to suggest such a low number.

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This would be great.

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« Reply #8640 on: May 13, 2022, 06:08:24 AM »
Twitter deal on hold

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« Reply #8641 on: May 13, 2022, 06:09:31 AM »
Not surprising. Elon is a loose cannon mentally.

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« Reply #8642 on: May 13, 2022, 06:13:57 AM »
Musk is a turbo autist lol.

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« Reply #8643 on: May 13, 2022, 06:15:12 AM »
Agree. Remember when this stock was the shit? Probably will go to zero.

I don’t claim to know the bottom but when busts happen people get surprised by how low prices can go an example being the banks in 2008.

So many stocks are going to shit. So many indicators at a macro level suggesting that things will get worse.

I still believe central bank digital currencies will become real phenomenon and soon (within 5 years). I am now trying to stick to only cryptocurrency projects/blockchains that look to be likely used in the future CBDC space.

When it comes to stocks, only dollar cost averaging into index funds. The market is much too volatile for me to pretend to be able to time it.

This would be great.

Agreed. If that target hits, I'd pour a good chunk of cash into a select 5-10 cryptos.

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« Reply #8644 on: May 13, 2022, 06:24:19 AM »
So many stocks are going to shit. So many indicators at a macro level suggesting that things will get worse.

I still believe central bank digital currencies will become real phenomenon and soon (within 5 years). I am now trying to stick to only cryptocurrency projects/blockchains that look to be likely used in the future CBDC space.

When it comes to stocks, only dollar cost averaging into index funds. The market is much too volatile for me to pretend to be able to time it.

Agreed. If that target hits, I'd pour a good chunk of cash into a select 5-10 cryptos.

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Amazon is still at 50PE. My fundamental issue with this is that the company is seen as tech when it’s really an online supermarket and that type of business operates on low profit margins.

I see it eventually going significantly lower:


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« Reply #8645 on: May 13, 2022, 06:30:44 AM »
Another classic distribution pattern. Investors thought they were getting a bargain in the 110-130 range:

This chick Kathie Wood was God’s gift during the run up:


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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8646 on: May 13, 2022, 06:35:00 AM »
Holy all momentum lost Batman, just a Dead Giveaway.




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« Reply #8647 on: May 13, 2022, 06:37:32 AM »
Amazon is still at 50PE. My fundamental issue with this is that the company is seen as tech when it’s really an online supermarket and that type of business operates on low profit margins.

I see it eventually going significantly lower:

Way overvalued on that PE.

RSI cruising around the 26 range, oversold, but likely due to people getting scared and wanting to take healthy profits in light of what could come in the future. Even if RSI points towards a good buy potential, I'm not convinced.

Still too pricey for my blood.

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« Reply #8648 on: May 13, 2022, 07:15:15 AM »
Nothing is truly decentralized. Bitcoin would be decentralized on Earth if all the power and internet to run the network came from another planet or moon or numerous moons and planets and was broadcasted to Earth via satellites that are not controlled by Earth and that can defend themselves successfully against an attack. The planet(s) where Bitcoin is secured needs to be able to defend the power stations from interplanetary missile attacks / nukes.

But here on Earth it aims to be decentralized but it still has centralized attributes. Look at this chart. A handful of pools dominate the Bitcoin hash rate. If the three largest pools combined their hash rate they could make a 51% attack on Bitcoin.



https://fortune.com/2021/10/26/bitcoin-mining-capacity-ownership-concentration-top-investors-nber-study/

Just 0.1% of Bitcoin miners control half of all mining capacity, according to a new study

Bitcoin’s surging popularity hasn’t changed one of its original attributes. Its ownership is still concentrated in just a few hands.

The top 10,000 individual investors in Bitcoin control about one-third of the cryptocurrency in circulation, according to a study by the National Bureau of Economic Research.

Crypto enthusiasts have long pondered who the largest owners of Bitcoin are since the early days of the its existence. It can be especially difficult to determine the concentration of ownership, as many of the largest addresses don’t often represent individuals, but exchanges and other entities that hold Bitcoin on behalf of other investors.

However, by using a data collection method that differentiated between addresses belonging to intermediaries and individuals, NBER researchers were able to find the former controlled about 5.5 million Bitcoin at the end of last year while the latter controlled about 8.5 million. Additionally, the top 1,000 individual investors controlled about 3 million, and the concentration could be even greater.

“This measurement of concentration most likely is an understatement since we cannot rule out that some of the largest addresses are controlled by the same entity,” researchers Igor Makarov and Antoinette Schoar wrote.

For instance, the data did not not assign the ownership of early Bitcoins held in about 20,000 addresses to one person (Satoshi Nakamoto) and considered them as belonging to 20,000 different individuals.

The concentration of miners is even more profound, data show. NBER found that the top 10% of miners control 90% of the Bitcoin mining capacity, and just 0.1% (about 50 miners) control 50% of mining capacity. 

Such a high concentration could make the Bitcoin network vulnerable to a 51% attack, where a colluding set of miners or one miner is able to take control of a majority of the network. NBER found the concentration also decreases following sharp increases in the Bitcoin price, meaning the probability the network is vulnerable to a 51% attack is higher when Bitcoin’s price drops sharply.

“Our results suggest that despite the significant attention that Bitcoin has received over the last few years, the Bitcoin ecosystem is still dominated by large and concentrated players, be it large miners, Bitcoin holders or exchanges,” the researchers wrote. “This inherent concentration makes Bitcoin susceptible to systemic risk and also implies that the majority of the gains from further adoption are likely to fall disproportionately to a small set of participants.”


In every financial system there's always going to be a wealth disparity, Btc is  no different. The difference is the top holders of btc, no matter how much they hold have no rights of the consensus protocol. No amount of  btc they have can change the code. Sure they can dump the market and they have over and over, only to buy up cheap coins off people who know no better. Have a look at the last week, top 100 wallets have accumulated 80k in btc.

Elon musk has a large following, richest* man in the world, multiple companies which he resides over and makes policies and structural changes foreign and domestic in his companies favour with power and money he has.  Elon purchased 1.7billion in btc making him one of the largest holders, he has no say in how btc operates. Btc doesn't give a fuck about his stack and keeps pumping blocks every 10min.

Decentralisation is not a spectrum. Centralisation means it has a centre, you can go in and shut it down. Two very good examples, opensea and metamask blocking Russia  users, completely banned.  These 1000s of shitcoins are masking themselves as decentralised but really they are unregistered securities. SEC will come for them.

As for mining  pools, I touched on that. They would bleed their money dry before it ever eventuated. Look at china, at one point they were burning 100TW hrs per year, half the network. China shut down the network due to environmental bs issues. Mind you they burn 25000TW hrs per year. China is a major authoritarian  country, they hate  btc. If they could of hacked it, they would've, if they could've turned it off they would've. They're not a fan of people having private property outside of their ability to control/disrupt.

Instead what you saw was 50-60% network turned off and relocated. Because the network was so robust it had no downtime, no lawsuits, no protests. It just kept hitting ever 10minutes.  Never before have you seen a network lose 50-60% of its infrastructure and have no downtime or hiccups. The hash rate fell to 60s and then grew to up over 240s. So it grew 4times larger and stronger from  when it turned off. It was a trillion $$ mistake by China

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8649 on: May 13, 2022, 12:52:15 PM »
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