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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8675 on: May 14, 2022, 02:31:05 AM »

In every financial system there's always going to be a wealth disparity, Btc is  no different. The difference is the top holders of btc, no matter how much they hold have no rights of the consensus protocol. No amount of  btc they have can change the code. Sure they can dump the market and they have over and over, only to buy up cheap coins off people who know no better. Have a look at the last week, top 100 wallets have accumulated 80k in btc.

Elon musk has a large following, richest* man in the world, multiple companies which he resides over and makes policies and structural changes foreign and domestic in his companies favour with power and money he has.  Elon purchased 1.7billion in btc making him one of the largest holders, he has no say in how btc operates. Btc doesn't give a fuck about his stack and keeps pumping blocks every 10min.

Decentralisation is not a spectrum. Centralisation means it has a centre, you can go in and shut it down. Two very good examples, opensea and metamask blocking Russia  users, completely banned.  These 1000s of shitcoins are masking themselves as decentralised but really they are unregistered securities. SEC will come for them.

As for mining  pools, I touched on that. They would bleed their money dry before it ever eventuated. Look at china, at one point they were burning 100TW hrs per year, half the network. China shut down the network due to environmental bs issues. Mind you they burn 25000TW hrs per year. China is a major authoritarian  country, they hate  btc. If they could of hacked it, they would've, if they could've turned it off they would've. They're not a fan of people having private property outside of their ability to control/disrupt.

Instead what you saw was 50-60% network turned off and relocated. Because the network was so robust it had no downtime, no lawsuits, no protests. It just kept hitting ever 10minutes.  Never before have you seen a network lose 50-60% of its infrastructure and have no downtime or hiccups. The hash rate fell to 60s and then grew to up over 240s. So it grew 4times larger and stronger from  when it turned off. It was a trillion $$ mistake by China

we need melvin to decipher what all this means

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8676 on: May 14, 2022, 02:36:47 AM »
Using Covid as a pretext, Central Banks around the world created massive amounts of money out of thin air. It went into the financial sector and then to speculative markets: Tech, housing and Crypto, running up prices well beyond market value. Now, the party is over and the hangover has arrived:

Notice when Bitcoin really took off:


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« Reply #8677 on: May 14, 2022, 02:40:08 AM »
Tech sector etf:

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« Reply #8678 on: May 14, 2022, 05:26:35 PM »
This thread has been mostly dead for months unless it was me shit posting for fun.

Now, everyone suddenly out of the woodwork and posting looking for Bitcoin death. While it’s fun to bear post just keep in mind the bottom will be at whatever price it will be at.

The bottom is in OR we have mere days left for it to be in. Once I see a confirmed bottom I’ll be bull posting my brains out……
 

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« Reply #8679 on: May 14, 2022, 06:10:40 PM »
Twitter deal on hold
Because he wants to know how many actual real users there are. He doesn't want to overpay for Twitter.

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« Reply #8680 on: May 14, 2022, 06:12:09 PM »
Amazon is still at 50PE. My fundamental issue with this is that the company is seen as tech when it’s really an online supermarket and that type of business operates on low profit margins.

I see it eventually going significantly lower:
Amazon Web Services, Amazon Prime Video and Music, Amazon Fire Stick and TV, Alexa devices... It is a tech company also.

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« Reply #8681 on: May 14, 2022, 06:15:31 PM »

As for mining  pools, I touched on that. They would bleed their money dry before it ever eventuated.
Ethereum staking validators have to be honest. Dishonest validators lose their ETH. To execute an attack on a POS network will also be expensive. And I read they can undo anything an attack accomplishes if it is discovered soon enough. Thousands of people are watching for these kind of attacks apparently 24/7.

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« Reply #8682 on: May 14, 2022, 06:16:36 PM »
This thread has been mostly dead for months unless it was me shit posting for fun.

Now, everyone suddenly out of the woodwork and posting looking for Bitcoin death. While it’s fun to bear post just keep in mind the bottom will be at whatever price it will be at.

The bottom is in OR we have mere days left for it to be in. Once I see a confirmed bottom I’ll be bull posting my brains out……
Looks like Saylor will post some collateral if Bitcoin drops down below $4,000 lol!

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« Reply #8683 on: May 14, 2022, 07:50:36 PM »
Ethereum staking validators have to be honest. Dishonest validators lose their ETH. To execute an attack on a POS network will also be expensive. And I read they can undo anything an attack accomplishes if it is discovered soon enough. Thousands of people are watching for these kind of attacks apparently 24/7.

Flaw, as I've mentioned is it resembles the old financial  system and can be changed. It is premined, had founding members. What's to say Russia avoids sanctions  by using Ethereum, how is the government going to stop them? They'll threaten  its founding members of Eth with jail time if they obey their demands.

There is a reason why the legacy system and its players are coming after POW and endorsing POS, it's not an environmental issue. They know  they can control a POS network if need be.

Full disclosure, I have a position in Eth similar to yours. I Stake it and at this point given my cost basis, where I live its not worth selling due to tax implications. I believe Eth will exist in years to come however Btc is my main holding.

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« Reply #8684 on: May 14, 2022, 09:07:25 PM »
Because he wants to know how many actual real users there are. He doesn't want to overpay for Twitter.

He knows already and I can say this because there is someone like me in that company who tracks this stuff.

it’s IMO a ploy to dump Tesla shares.

He bought 9% of Twitter for 3B. He then makes an offer to buy the entire company. In order to fund it he gets the nod to sell 8.5B in Tesla shares. Post sale suddenly he holds off on the deal because he isn’t sure how many bots there is lol.

Plebs just got played. The guy has dumped 16B in Tesla shares over the past year and hasn’t bought a damn thing.

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« Reply #8685 on: May 14, 2022, 11:15:18 PM »
Tether FUD is running rampant right now. Billions are disappearing in blocks from its market cap. Some if it looks to have possibly been moved to USDC

It will probably be fine, just something else to increase panic, but don't be that guy too lazy to move money out of tether just in case.


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« Reply #8686 on: May 14, 2022, 11:20:46 PM »
Plebs just got played. The guy has dumped 16B in Tesla shares over the past year and hasn’t bought a damn thing.


He will probably buy Tesla shares back again whenever the bottom is in.

A lot of tech companies seem to be setting up for a share buyback play.

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« Reply #8687 on: May 15, 2022, 01:31:20 AM »
Flaw, as I've mentioned is it resembles the old financial  system and can be changed. It is premined, had founding members. What's to say Russia avoids sanctions  by using Ethereum, how is the government going to stop them? They'll threaten  its founding members of Eth with jail time if they obey their demands.

There is a reason why the legacy system and its players are coming after POW and endorsing POS, it's not an environmental issue. They know  they can control a POS network if need be.

Full disclosure, I have a position in Eth similar to yours. I Stake it and at this point given my cost basis, where I live its not worth selling due to tax implications. I believe Eth will exist in years to come however Btc is my main holding.
Didn't they recently upgrade Bitcoin with Taproot? So Bitcoin can also be changed. It is not something that will never change. The reality is nothing in the Universe stays static. That's why we have time. Time just means a change in things. If nothing ever changed then time becomes meaningless. Our sun for example is burning up hydrogen as it fuses it to helium. Eventually it will run out of hydrogen and burn out in a helium flash during its red giant phase. It will seize to be a main sequence star. And eventually star formation in the Universe will end and the Black Hole Era will emerge. After a very long time, trillions and trillions and trillions and even more magnitude of years into the future the black holes will evaporate. And then in the end all that will remain are photons darting around in space. And then the Universe will cool down to absolute zero and seize to change. At that point time stops. Well that is one of the prevailing current theories.

https://www.investopedia.com/bitcoin-taproot-upgrade-5210039#:~:text=Taproot%2C%20Bitcoin's%20latest%20upgrade%2C%20is,verify%20transactions%20on%20Bitcoin's%20network.

Where are you staking your Ethereum? I have it staked on Coinbase and now I see in the news users could lose their cryptos in Coinbase goes bankrupt. This worries me. Them saying don't worry we are not going bankrupt is not good enough for me. My staked Ethereum is also locked up until the ETH Merge. I contacted Coinbase to get clarification. I hope I am not going to get fucked by this.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coinbase-warning-users-could-lose-crypto-bankruptcy-earnings-2022-5

Coinbase warns users could lose their crypto holdings if the company goes bankrupt

  • Coinbase said its users' crypto assets could become company property if it went bankrupt.
  • The company added the disclosure for the first time in its earnings report Tuesday.
  • Its CEO said shortly afterward that users' funds were safe and there was no risk of bankruptcy.

Coinbase, one of the largest cryptocurrency exchanges, said its users might lose access to their holdings if the company ever went bankrupt.

The disclosure was included in the company's first-quarter earnings report, and that was the first time the risk factor was mentioned. It also noted that Coinbase held $256 billion in fiat currencies and virtual coins.

"Because custodially held crypto assets may be considered to be the property of a bankruptcy estate, in the event of a bankruptcy, the crypto assets we hold in custody on behalf of our customers could be subject to bankruptcy proceedings and such customers could be treated as our general unsecured creditors," the company said.

That means users would lose access to their balances because they would become Coinbase's property.

It's a different scenario from traditional investments. Many bank accounts, including checking and savings, are insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. for up to $250,000 per account if the bank goes under, while the Securities Investor Protection Corp. helps if a broker or dealer goes bankrupt.

Crypto enthusiasts have long heralded the decentralized movement as, in part, a way to give people complete control and ownership of their finances. That's only the case for those who physically store their cryptocurrency in personal wallets, as opposed to a platform like Coinbase. (Coinbase does offer a self-custody wallet called Coinbase Wallet.)

Following the earnings report, which sent the company's stock plummeting more than 23%, Coinbase CEO Brian Armstrong said there's no risk of bankruptcy right now.

On Twitter Tuesday night, he attempted to reassure users that their funds were safe and apologized for not being more forthright with communicating this risk when it was added. He said the company included the disclosure because of rules recently set by the Securities and Exchange Commission.

"This disclosure makes sense in that these legal protections have not been tested in court for crypto assets specifically, and it is possible, however unlikely, that a court would decide to consider customer assets as part of the company in bankruptcy proceedings even if it harmed consumers," Armstrong said.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8688 on: May 15, 2022, 03:14:19 AM »
He knows already and I can say this because there is someone like me in that company who tracks this stuff.

it’s IMO a ploy to dump Tesla shares.

He bought 9% of Twitter for 3B. He then makes an offer to buy the entire company. In order to fund it he gets the nod to sell 8.5B in Tesla shares. Post sale suddenly he holds off on the deal because he isn’t sure how many bots there is lol.

Plebs just got played. The guy has dumped 16B in Tesla shares over the past year and hasn’t bought a damn thing.

Good possibility. Tesla is the most manipulated stock I’ve ever seen for a company with that type of market cap. I suspect it will eventually go much lower, but it’s not a good short play because the swings are so big that even if you end up being right you’ll get shaken out in the process.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8689 on: May 15, 2022, 03:15:42 AM »
So much for the concept that "Bitcoin cannot be confiscated."


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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8690 on: May 15, 2022, 02:22:17 PM »
Looks like Bitcoin is biting the dust. LOL
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« Reply #8691 on: May 16, 2022, 03:55:34 PM »

He will probably buy Tesla shares back again whenever the bottom is in.

A lot of tech companies seem to be setting up for a share buyback play.

Could be. his method of selling shares is ‘iffy’ but he likes to troll.

Good possibility. Tesla is the most manipulated stock I’ve ever seen for a company with that type of market cap. I suspect it will eventually go much lower, but it’s not a good short play because the swings are so big that even if you end up being right you’ll get shaken out in the process.

His funding for the deal has been questionable from the start so we could see him dump more shares in order to fund the deal and it would look normal.

Apparently if he pulls the plug there is a 1B penalty but that he could also be taken to court and sued for losses. I’m not quite sure how that would fly given the entire market has been losing share price and Twitter isn’t even at the lows before his announced offer.

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« Reply #8692 on: May 16, 2022, 04:24:48 PM »
The setup I see at the moment i think we see the capitulation this week.

The 3 day RSI bottom (under 30) historically precedes the next leg down followed by a move higher 1-2 weeks later that forms the bottom in price action.

We hit the 3 day RSI last week —> tick

The Daily RSI was formed between the 9th-13th May —> tick

Both now have completed their upwards movement —> tick

If the pattern remains true, we see capitulation in days, not a rally. Remember since 38k every single bastard said we were due for a rally…. Then 36k….then 34k….then 32k and 30k. Then Luna happened down to 25.5k…..

In my feed it’s filled with ‘a rally is due now’ and ‘Never had 8 red week candles in a row’. To me this feels the same as 38k did. LUNA showed us how spastic retail is right now and we need degenerates more than ever to take us as low as possible.

What you buy in coming weeks should be based around what you believe the 2024-25 BTC price will be.


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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8693 on: May 17, 2022, 03:12:08 AM »


Where are you staking your Ethereum? I have it staked on Coinbase and now I see in the news users could lose their cryptos in Coinbase goes bankrupt. This worries me. Them saying don't worry we are not going bankrupt is not good enough for me. My staked Ethereum is also locked up until the ETH Merge. I contacted Coinbase to get clarification. I hope I am not going to get fucked by this.

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Don't stress, all exchanges  and trading platforms have the same disclaimer. That's been in there for awhile, people just spreading FUD due to the panic markets selling off.

Coinbase won't go bankrupt, look at their balance sheet. Mine is on Celsius along with btc. I can withdraw anytime so it's  not really locked up. Celsius has the same disclaimer as Coinbase BTW.

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« Reply #8694 on: May 17, 2022, 03:26:55 AM »
Don't stress, all exchanges  and trading platforms have the same disclaimer. That's been in there for awhile, people just spreading FUD due to the panic markets selling off.

Coinbase won't go bankrupt, look at their balance sheet. Mine is on Celsius along with btc. I can withdraw anytime so it's  not really locked up. Celsius has the same disclaimer as Coinbase BTW.

Coinbase has a history of locking people out of accounts for months preventing people access to sell their coins.

People staking on exchanges and 3rd parties are in a high risk category. It may not even be the coin you are staking that is the problem but all the shit stuff that collapses and causes the freeze.

Last week’s LUNA event I was seeing loads of stuff in my feed by people unable to access their coinbase account. Back in 2018 they locked people out and their account balances went to zero before they gave access back.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8695 on: May 17, 2022, 08:22:14 AM »
Walmart taking a hit. This is why believe in cash during a market storm. Eventually even the “safe” stocks tank.


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« Reply #8696 on: May 17, 2022, 03:48:43 PM »
Walmart taking a hit. This is why believe in cash during a market storm. Eventually even the “safe” stocks tank.


‘Low prices everyday’ :D


Meanwhile maxis should be rejoicing that Vitalik has a pretty damning view on his own ETH and said he wishes it was Bitcoin lol. In a nutshell he wanted to build something good and so far he has built a platform which has allowed jpegs to scam people lol.

On the Tether side, withdrawals have started happening and market cap coming down. It’s just a small blip for now but I’m eyeing the November 74B level. If we start seeing it rip down lower it kind of sets a story because this isn’t retail movement.

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« Reply #8697 on: May 17, 2022, 04:29:56 PM »
Don't stress, all exchanges  and trading platforms have the same disclaimer. That's been in there for awhile, people just spreading FUD due to the panic markets selling off.

Coinbase won't go bankrupt, look at their balance sheet. Mine is on Celsius along with btc. I can withdraw anytime so it's  not really locked up. Celsius has the same disclaimer as Coinbase BTW.
I have enough Ethereum where I can run my own validators. I can probably get a better return on it also. I figured to go with Coinbase initially since they take care of all the hassle of staking it and the disclaimer stated your funds will not be slashed if the validator is configured wrongly. However this bankruptcy disclaimer does not make me happy.

Some people say if Coinbase goes bankrupt your cryptos will be worthless anyways. However Mt. Cox went bankrupt and crypto did fine without it. Coinbase going bankrupt does not mean crypto would have collapsed.

When I am able to unstake on Coinbase I will consider setting up my own Validators. I am not sure if 24/7 power and network is required for validators to not get penalized and slashed. Maybe turnkey USB staking devices will be available that makes it easy to configure and update the validator 24/7 year round?

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8698 on: May 17, 2022, 04:38:08 PM »


‘Low prices everyday’ :D


Meanwhile maxis should be rejoicing that Vitalik has a pretty damning view on his own ETH and said he wishes it was Bitcoin lol. In a nutshell he wanted to build something good and so far he has built a platform which has allowed jpegs to scam people lol.

On the Tether side, withdrawals have started happening and market cap coming down. It’s just a small blip for now but I’m eyeing the November 74B level. If we start seeing it rip down lower it kind of sets a story because this isn’t retail movement.
Link to Vitalik claiming this?

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« Reply #8699 on: May 17, 2022, 10:22:15 PM »
Link to Vitalik claiming this?

It was on Twitter under his own Twitter handle.

Vitalik sold the top, well it was $4,100.

The reality of generation 1 crypto is this…… it’s at the top of the S curve and all these OGs are likely going to abandon Gen 1 and start Gen 2 👀

There is enough data now to see the retail peak was April 2021 at 64.5k. That’s a 3.3x from 2017 peak and guess what? ETH did the exact same 3.3x. ETH only performed well from its bottom but did the same expansion from its peak.

BTC 2025 target is 96k. If it can break 100k then maybe 120-130. That’s a 1.5x and at best a 2x. You think these OGs will hang around for a 2x after making 10,000x? Nope.

The best thing possible right now is for an 11k BTC price because it means OGs and developers can buy the bottom cheap and still make a nice 10x or so return. ETH @ $600 is a great reason for Vitalik to stay. Give Vitalik a 2k ETH with a 7k peak with 3yrs of watching his project sell jpegs of rocks and he will walk and start on something else.

The alternative is he starts a new project and from scratch makes 10,000x vs 2x in the same time and will have a better performing platform than ETH.