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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #9250 on: February 10, 2023, 04:06:01 AM »
This time around staking was where considerable fraud was being done.

No surprise every country wants to ban staking. These mobs go and get leverage against customer deposits or even worse sell customer deposits, why would anyone be against this being fixed?

Regulations in 2023-24 will likely kill a huge number of projects which makes existing projects stronger.

Btc maxis got all horny thinking this was the Eth kill shit. Everyone else was outraged because how dare the SEC interfere with their  staking rewards.

Kraken like you said were the ones who were frauding and actually in wrong.

The irony is that it looks like bitcoins price dropped just after this news was officially released. It wasn't even bitcoin FUD, more bullish for btc. If you look at the US stock charts for the day they went down and dxy went up and btc eventually lined up to the trend. A well worked psyops that wiped some leverage out.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #9251 on: February 10, 2023, 04:07:25 AM »
Everybody in here still typing up their crypto hopes and dreams? Never have I seen such un-required complexity and wilful entanglement in a derivative of value. It's like listening to dorks talk about Dungeons and Dragons in the basement when it's summer and everyone is outside. LOL


Hopes and dreams? No bro I'm in the utter greed phase.

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« Reply #9252 on: February 10, 2023, 07:20:53 AM »
"The Ethereum ICO involved the exchange of BTC for ETH, not USD."

Does not matter how the money was raised. Whether via BTC, cash, or anything else of the value, if there is a fund raise it comes within the SEC mandate. (Otherwise, anyone could do an unapproved IPO simply by requesting payment in BTC).

"Vitalik is not a US Citizen and lives in Singapore. So not sure what jurisdiction the SEC will have over him."

Citizenship is not relevant, but yes country of residence is (for practical purposes). Either way, the exchanges that trade Eth are based in the US can easily be sanctioned, and either way the Ethereum Foundation is an organization which can be served and held accountable.

"So what is the difference between an ICO where BTC is exchanged for ETH tokens and being able to exchange USD for BTC in 2010? I fail to see how one would be deemed a security and the other not."

The difference is in how BTC was launched. BTC was source code, with no project founder raising capital. As you know, even Satoshi has to mine his own coins. This is why almost all alts are unregulated securities, and why US exchanges will likely be banned from facilitating trading of them,


"No SEC official has come out and stated Ethereum is a security."

Not correct. The SEC has been explicitly clear that Eth is an unregistered security. And they have issues very clear warnings to US exchanges on this.

See https://coingeek.com/is-eth-a-security-if-it-wasnt-before-it-is-now/

"The SEC's job is to protect investors. Where was Gary Gensler when SBF and FTX were defrauding investors? Oh yeah, he was meeting with him and probably having a great time. He failed at his job."

Agree, and hence the pressure is now really on given prior lack of action.

"According to The Securities Act of 1933, an investment contract should have three prongs. A contract should satisfy all three prongs. If an instrument does not meet even any one of the prongs, it cannot be considered security.

1. An investment of money
2. In a common enterprise
3. With reasonable expectations of profits derived solely from the efforts of others."

Yes, this is correct. And the courts will determine if satisfied. If it walks, talks, and qwaks like a duck, then its likely a duck. Time will tell.

https://twitter.com/VandelayBTC/status/1623838500188569601?s=20&t=_m4Fwfh3WjZkTllyKz20Sg

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« Reply #9253 on: February 10, 2023, 09:28:56 PM »
"Crypto businesses don’t properly safeguard customer assets and often mix them with their own funds. This according to US Securities and Exchange Commission Chair Gary Gensler, who was especially blunt in his assessment of the embattled asset class and its proponents. “This is largely a noncompliant field,” Gensler said in an interview with Bloomberg Television. “They’re commingling customer funds with their businesses.” The negativity from the SEC chief is nothing new. For months he’s been warning of the potential dangers posed by the industry. The regulator has asserted that many tokens and crypto products are really just securities that trade on the blockchain and should be registered with the agency.  Gensler took particular issue with how crypto exchanges often play multiple roles. He suggested their business models can create significant conflicts of interest. “We don’t let the New York Stock Exchange also run a hedge fund and trade on the exchange.” he said. “Why would we do it here?”"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-10/crypto-firms-often-mix-client-funds-with-their-own-gensler-says?

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« Reply #9254 on: February 11, 2023, 01:47:56 AM »
https://twitter.com/VandelayBTC/status/1623838500188569601?s=20&t=_m4Fwfh3WjZkTllyKz20Sg
Saylor is a clown. It was extremely cringeworthy when he appeared onstage with the other clown Max Keizer who kept yelling "Fuck Elon!". Not a good look at all.

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Real or not, this is funny!


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« Reply #9255 on: February 11, 2023, 01:51:25 AM »
"Crypto businesses don’t properly safeguard customer assets and often mix them with their own funds. This according to US Securities and Exchange Commission Chair Gary Gensler, who was especially blunt in his assessment of the embattled asset class and its proponents. “This is largely a noncompliant field,” Gensler said in an interview with Bloomberg Television. “They’re commingling customer funds with their businesses.” The negativity from the SEC chief is nothing new. For months he’s been warning of the potential dangers posed by the industry. The regulator has asserted that many tokens and crypto products are really just securities that trade on the blockchain and should be registered with the agency.  Gensler took particular issue with how crypto exchanges often play multiple roles. He suggested their business models can create significant conflicts of interest. “We don’t let the New York Stock Exchange also run a hedge fund and trade on the exchange.” he said. “Why would we do it here?”"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-10/crypto-firms-often-mix-client-funds-with-their-own-gensler-says?
I agree with him about that. All these crypto entities that failed gave crypto a black eye. They were gambling with customer funds. But nobody blamed the US dollar when Madoff ripped off his victims. For this same reason, crypto assets themselves can't be blamed. Blame assholes like SBF and that Terra Lunatic.

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« Reply #9256 on: February 11, 2023, 02:00:31 AM »
https://cointelegraph.com/news/ethereum-co-founder-joe-lubin-says-no-chance-eth-is-classed-as-security

Ethereum co-founder Joe Lubin says no chance ETH is classed as security

The ConsenSys founder and Ethereum co-founder said it’s as unlikely as ride-sharing service Uber becoming illegal.

Ethereum co-founder and crypto entrepreneur Joseph Lubin is confident that Ether won’t be classified as a security in the United States.

Cointelegraph spoke with Lubin, Ethereum co-founder and founder of blockchain tech firm ConsenSys, in Tel Aviv at the Web3 event, Building Blocks 23.

Asked if ETH could be classed as a security in the U.S. after Ethereum’s transition to a proof-of-stake (PoS) consensus model, Lubin said:

“I think it's as likely, and would have the same impact, as if Uber was made illegal.”

“There would be a tremendous outcry from not just the crypto community but different politicians and certain regulators,” he added.

In September, Securities and Exchange Commission Chairman Gary Gensler suggested that the blockchain’s transition to PoS might have brought ETH under the regulators’ beat.

Gensler believed staking coins gave “the investing public” anticipation of “profits based on the efforts of others.”

Lubin said he was privy to discussions with the SEC and the Commodity Futures Trading Commission “for many years.”

He said around five years ago the regulators were “just trying to wrap their heads around what tokens were.”

“They thought back then that everything was a security. We — I think — helped them significantly understand lots of tokens are not securities, and then they went away and Gary and team now think almost everything's a security.”

Lubin, however, believes that ETH continues to be “sufficiently decentralized” and pointed to its “many use cases that don’t implicate it as a security.”

“There is no centralized set of promoters or builders that is specifically trying to raise the value of Ether and enrich investors,” he added.

“There's a court system in the United States of America that I think would be supportive of arguments that would be made that it is not.”

Lubin said that regulators appear to be more focused on another aspect of Ethereum at the moment, noting that people he knows close to the action in Washington D.C. say “most of the focus is on stablecoins right now.”

“Everybody's talking about it, freaking out. Calling for things to be done.”

In a Feb. 9 Twitter thread, Coinbase founder and CEO Brian Armstrong responded to “rumors” that the SEC was thinking to ban retail consumers from staking crypto.

Staking is not a security,” he said, adding it would be a “terrible path for the U.S.” if a staking ban was passed noting it was “a really important innovation in crypto.”

“Hopefully we can work together to publish clear rules for the industry, and come up with sensible solutions that protect consumers while preserving innovation,” Armstrong said.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #9257 on: February 11, 2023, 02:03:17 AM »
https://news.bitcoin.com/jpmorgan-estimates-ethereum-shanghai-upgrade-might-bring-more-investors-to-stake-in-the-protocol/

JPMorgan Estimates Ethereum Shanghai Upgrade Might Bring More Investors to Stake in the Protocol

JPMorgan, one of the biggest financial institutions in the world, estimates that the arrival of the next Ethereum upgrade, codenamed Shanghai, will bring more investors to stake their funds in the protocol. The firm believes that this number might reach 60% of the ether issued, a number already staked in other blockchain networks.

JPMorgan Expects Ethereum Shanghai Upgrade to Bring More Funds to the Network

A recent report by JPMorgan has revealed that the upcoming Shanghai upgrade, slated to be applied in March, might bring more capital to the network. The investment bank estimates that Shanghai will bring Ethereum’s stake percentage to the number of other popular proof of stake networks have, more than four times the ether currently staked.

The report explained:

Assuming the staking rate converges over time to the 60% average of other large networks, the number of validators could increase from $0.5 million to$ 2.2 million and the annual yield in ETH would fall from 7.4% today to around 5%.

14% of the issuance of ether is currently staked, and cannot be withdrawn until the Shanghai update is finally applied. Other protocols, like Solana and Cardano, have approximately 70% of their issuance staked, according to data from Staking rewards.

New Staking Trends
JPMorgan also elaborated on the destiny of these new funds that they estimate new investors will be staking. The firm believes that most of these funds will go toward platforms such as Lido, which present several benefits when compared to maintaining hardware infrastructure.

The report states these platforms “give liquidity to staking assets that would otherwise be locked into staking contracts by providing an equal amount of derivative token in exchange for ETH, which can be traded.”

As the report suggests, these derivative tokens can be also positioned in different decentralized finance platforms to compound earnings by also staking them. Also, they facilitate bypassing the requirement of staking at least 32 ether, allowing small investors to also participate in protocol validation tasks in staking pools.

Exchanges like Coinbase and Kraken also offer staking services for Ethereum, but regulatory headwinds might thwart these services in the U.S. Kraken recently stopped its staking programs in the U.S. and was fined $30 million by the SEC to settle on charges of offering unregistered staking services. However, users in foreign countries will also be able to stake their ethereum tokens using these services.

This new configuration of the staking panorama, could result in an even higher concentration of funds in fewer hands, bringing concerns about the resilience of these platforms against attacks in the future.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #9258 on: February 11, 2023, 11:33:50 AM »
Saylor is a clown. It was extremely cringeworthy when he appeared onstage with the other clown Max Keizer who kept yelling "Fuck Elon!". Not a good look at all.

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Real or not, this is funny!



Ok.

Just funny Saylor is a world class clown, throw in Nayebe Bukele aswell as he made btc legal tender and all other altcoins securities  in the new bill.

Yet you quote bitboy as a reference guide.



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« Reply #9259 on: February 11, 2023, 02:26:38 PM »
Saylor not content with leveraging up to buy bitcoin now wants to start trading futures against spot to generate yield.

He wants to go full degen

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« Reply #9260 on: February 12, 2023, 02:53:48 AM »
Ok.

Just funny Saylor is a world class clown, throw in Nayebe Bukele aswell as he made btc legal tender and all other altcoins securities  in the new bill.

Yet you quote bitboy as a reference guide.
Bitboy called out SBF / FTX as frauds way before anyone else. I personally was suspicious of SBF the moment I heard about him because I know which tribe he represents. Pure scumbag who was probably injected into crypto via his CEFI connections to discredit and destroy crypto.

Bitboy also regularly calls out dirtbag / greaseball "Dirty Gary Gensler".

Laugh all you want but Bitboy is exposing these frauds. And SBF knows very well who Bitboy is. And most likely also Gary Gensler.

This was before the FTX collapse:


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« Reply #9261 on: February 12, 2023, 02:57:33 AM »
Saylor not content with leveraging up to buy bitcoin now wants to start trading futures against spot to generate yield.

He wants to go full degen
He needs help. Also a very sleazy move of him to bad-mouth Ethereum and other cryptos. Many people have a lot invested in these projects - and he'd rather see them lose it all so he can pump his Bitcoin bag. Very low-class individual.

Charles Hoskinson also rubs me the wrong way with his constant badmouthing of Ethereum at every turn. Reeks of desperation. I don't hear much badmouthing coming from Vitalik or Lubin about other projects. They have a lot more class.

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« Reply #9262 on: February 12, 2023, 03:06:42 AM »
He needs help. Also a very sleazy move of him to bad-mouth Ethereum and other cryptos. Many people have a lot invested in these projects - and he'd rather see them lose it all so he can pump his Bitcoin bag. Very low-class individual.

Charles Hoskinson also rubs me the wrong way with his constant badmouthing of Ethereum at every turn. Reeks of desperation. I don't hear much badmouthing coming from Vitalik or Lubin about other projects. They have a lot more class.

Agree 100%

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #9263 on: February 12, 2023, 04:22:43 AM »
He needs help. Also a very sleazy move of him to bad-mouth Ethereum and other cryptos. Many people have a lot invested in these projects - and he'd rather see them lose it all so he can pump his Bitcoin bag. Very low-class individual.

Charles Hoskinson also rubs me the wrong way with his constant badmouthing of Ethereum at every turn. Reeks of desperation. I don't hear much badmouthing coming from Vitalik or Lubin about other projects. They have a lot more class.

Agreed.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #9264 on: February 12, 2023, 01:05:28 PM »
Saylor not content with leveraging up to buy bitcoin now wants to start trading futures against spot to generate yield.

He wants to go full degen

He began with an average cost of 13.5k for 500M which would be looking smart today.

Fast forward and his cost is 30k and 30% underwater. It’s like a mental disease took over him. Had he purchased property with all that debt he would be 50%+ up on investment.

If we go sub 10k I wonder what ramifications that will have on his holdings?

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« Reply #9265 on: February 12, 2023, 05:01:51 PM »
Bitboy called out SBF / FTX as frauds way before anyone else. I personally was suspicious of SBF the moment I heard about him because I know which tribe he represents. Pure scumbag who was probably injected into crypto via his CEFI connections to discredit and destroy crypto.

Bitboy also regularly calls out dirtbag / greaseball "Dirty Gary Gensler".

Laugh all you want but Bitboy is exposing these frauds. And SBF knows very well who Bitboy is. And most likely also Gary Gensler.

This was before the FTX collapse:



Of course I'm going to laugh because you've been baited by a scammer who was once self proclaimed leader of the xrp army lol. That pathetic meth addict was telling people to buy ftx tokens a year ago while many "OG"s were calling out SBF and crypto casino frauds well before they eventuated.


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« Reply #9266 on: February 12, 2023, 05:10:22 PM »
He began with an average cost of 13.5k for 500M which would be looking smart today.

Fast forward and his cost is 30k and 30% underwater. It’s like a mental disease took over him. Had he purchased property with all that debt he would be 50%+ up on investment.

If we go sub 10k I wonder what ramifications that will have on his holdings?

Call it, either he will go down as one of the most idiotic investors of our time or by the time his debt loans materialise (2026-2028?) or he would of pioneered a whole movement and infrastructure for public companies to venture into btc.

I'll call it and say his company(btc holdings) will be one of the most profitable risk adjusted in the space in next 3-5  years.

I believe when he dies he leaves all his btc to his btc learning organisation as he has no kids to pass on his assets.

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« Reply #9267 on: February 13, 2023, 08:07:06 AM »

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« Reply #9268 on: February 13, 2023, 01:12:37 PM »


Why watch some random clowns video when the actual clown SEC chair has a relevant video on the  subject.

He makes a distinction between how setting up a validator and staking crypto assets yourself does not guarantee a profit (so probably not security) but giving an exchange your crypto that then pools assets from different users together to give a guaranteed staking profit makes it a regulatory risk (security)


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« Reply #9269 on: February 14, 2023, 01:59:31 AM »

That guy is really pathetic. He sits there with his Bitcoin hat spewing biased nonsense. He mentions Ethereum's hard forks when Bitcoin has also forked many times.

News flash to Bitcoin Maxis. Bitcoin is software and was developed by humans. And developers are going to keep changing Bitcoin. Bitcoin did not start with the Big Bang. It's not some magical entity that's above human intervention.

Bitcoin was created as a response to the financial crisis of 2008/9 and to get the government out of the equation. And now these Bitcoin Maxis are championing a corrupt Tradfi government asshole like Gensler to go after cryptos when he has no business doing so. Bitcoin Maxis suck!


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« Reply #9270 on: February 14, 2023, 02:01:44 AM »
Things Gary Gensler has not protected retail investors from:
- Terra
- FTX
- BlockFi
- Celsius
- Voyager
- HodlNaut
- Grayscale's products
- Countless influencer scams

Things Gary Gensler has protected retail investors from:
- Making money

https://twitter.com/sassal0x/status/1623900553897193477?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1623900553897193477%7Ctwgr%5Ed1c589c772c718477dc5298f98de3aa4e0e93636%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwatcher.guru%2Fnews%2Fcardano-founder-charles-hoskinson-reacts-to-gary-genslers-recent-speech

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« Reply #9271 on: February 14, 2023, 02:03:39 AM »
The whole crypto community should unite against the SEC. Bitcoin Maxis suck for championing the SEC.

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« Reply #9272 on: February 14, 2023, 02:05:50 AM »
Cardano Founder Charles Hoskinson recently spoke about the SEC’s Gary Gensler’s speech on CNBC about the whole cryptocurrency staking scene. Cryptocurrency exchange Kraken had to reportedly close down its cryptocurrency-staking operations following the charges from the SEC. Kraken also had to pay $30 million in settlement charges.

The SEC stated that the exchange failed to register its staking program, which allows investors to earn a yield. Gensler stated that all these exchanges can easily register by filling out a form on the SEC’s website. Kraken CEO Jesse Powell tweeted about the speech, stating, “Oh man, all I had to do was fill out a form on a website and tell people that staking rewards come from staking?”

Cardano founder says Gensler’s speech is a lie

Hoskinson also stated that there is no way to actually register or comply with cryptocurrency staking with the SEC. He also added that what Gensler said is a lie and that people can spend millions of dollars and years of time and still end up getting no answers.

Some Twitter users also questioned Gary Gensler’s presence in protecting retail investors from the events, including Terra, FTX, BlockFi, Celsius, Voyager, HodlNaut, and others. He also added that the one thing he did was protect retail investors from making money.

https://watcher.guru/news/cardano-founder-charles-hoskinson-reacts-to-gary-genslers-recent-speech

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« Reply #9273 on: February 14, 2023, 02:13:22 AM »
Of course I'm going to laugh because you've been baited by a scammer who was once self proclaimed leader of the xrp army lol. That pathetic meth addict was telling people to buy ftx tokens a year ago while many "OG"s were calling out SBF and crypto casino frauds well before they eventuated.
I like Bitboy - he's entertaining. And makes good observations. Nobody is perfect. He's admitted to his drug use, pulled his life together, and became successful. He has a family now. He is getting shit done and has many people working with him. Real big of you to dismiss him because of his past failings. Here's a guy that pulled himself out of the gutter.

Why do Bitcoin Maxis suck so bad? Real judgmental people. Something fucked up with you people. Like a cult. The more I see Bitcoin Maxis the less I want to get involved in Bitcoin. Keep it up, you'll just alienate more people.

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« Reply #9274 on: February 14, 2023, 02:19:27 AM »