Dylan Roof's Website...The Last Rhodesian.

[SF1900]

Well what qualifications do I need to be entitled to an opinion on the matter?

You cannot argue with a gun nutter. If it was  up to them, they would own bazooks, tanks, grenades, etc. They say that is not true, but if given the opportunity, they would 100% take any opportunity to get their hands on any type of weapon they could.

[_aj_]

You cannot argue with a gun nutter. If it was  up to them, they would own bazooks, tanks, grenades, etc. They say that is not true, but if given the opportunity, they would 100% take any opportunity to get their hands on any type of weapon they could.

It's true. The 1932 Supreme Court decision Miller v. United States affirmed that the second amendment ONLY protects military weaponry, not guns for "sporting purposes". The plain history of the constitution shows that the framers thought that The People had the rights to the same weapons as the military. So, if I can afford it, I should be able to own it.

I am sorry that you cannot comprehend such a thing.

[SF1900]

I don't expect an Englishman to understand the concept that truly free men are free to bear arms, but your willful obstinacy is overdone.

And yes, I don't expect you to even remotely share my opinion that the second amendment to the United States constitution was put in expressly to allow free citizens to oppose their government should that government become tyrannical.

You can scoff, but the Swiss train every man and woman under 60 to repel invaders. I would wager that the chances of the U.S. Government under an autocratic administration becoming tyrannical are far greater than the Swiss being invaded by a standing army.

You DON'T understand Americans and that's ok, I don't understand your love of perpetual serfdom.

Obviously, being an American is only a PART of it, as I am an American and I do not understand the obsession with guns. And as someone who was born and raised in America, I probably have similar experiences than you.

It more likely has to do with a specific personality style that draws someone into loving guns, as opposed from being in a particular culture, since there are MANY americans who do not understand your obsession with guns.

[SF1900]

It's true. The 1932 Supreme Court decision Miller v. United States affirmed that the second amendment ONLY protects military weaponry, not guns for "sporting purposes". The plain history of the constitution shows that the framers thought that The People had the rights to the same weapons as the military. So, if I can afford it, I should be able to own it.

I am sorry that you cannot comprehend such a thing.

I don't care what the constitution says, in the same way that I don't care what the bible says. Though, I obviously give much more credibility to the constitution than the bible. Sometimes old documents do not fit in with today's standards. Its often like fitting a square peg into a hole. Eventually, something has to change based on the available evidence.

[_aj_]

Obviously, being an American is only a PART of it, as I am an American and I do not understand the obsession with guns. And as someone who was born and raised in America, I probably have similar experiences than you.

It more likely has to do with a specific personality style that draws someone into loving guns, as opposed from being in a particular culture, since there are MANY americans who do not understand your obsession with guns.

It is a cultural thing, I suppose. I ascribe to a cultural heritage of individualism, personal freedom and individual responsibility. It saddens me to see how much of America disdains those values.

[_aj_]

I don't care what the constitution says, in the same way that I don't care what the bible says. Though, I obviously give much more credibility to the constitution than the bible. Sometimes old documents do not fit in with today's standards. Its often like fitting a square peg into a hole. Eventually, something has to change based on the available evidence.

The constitution did not foresee the Internet, so I suppose that invalidates the first amendment? I see you subscribe to the progressive notions of "Constitutional" being defined as "something that I agree with"

[SF1900]

It is a cultural thing, I suppose. I ascribe to a cultural heritage of individualism, personal freedom and individual responsibility. It saddens me to see how much of America disdains those values.

Its not a totally cultural thing, since there are MANY americans who do not believe in your gun obsession. So, it is a cultural thing, but to a LIMITED extent. It cannot be fully explained by culture. If it can be FULLY explained by culture, then EVERY American would hold the same exact values regarding gun ownership. They do not, thus, it is not totally a "cultural thing," as you so eloquently described. There must be other factors at play that make you obsessed with guns, whereas I am not. Its probably a mixture of larger cultural values (distal factors), as well as more proximal factors such as family, peers, local culture, as well as personality and temperamental style.

[_aj_]

Its not a totally cultural thing, since there are MANY americans who do not believe in your gun obsession. So, it is a cultural thing, but to a LIMITED extent. It cannot be fully explained by culture. If it can be FULLY explained by culture, then EVERY American would hold the same exact values regarding gun ownership. They do not, thus, it is not totally a "cultural thing," as you so eloquently described. There must be other factors at play that make you obsessed with guns, whereas I am not. Its probably a mixture of larger cultural values (distal factors), as well as more proximal factors such as family, peers, local culture, as well as personality and temperamental style.

Why do you assume that all of America shares the same cultural values?

[SF1900]

Why do you assume that all of America shares the same cultural values?

I do? Reread what I wrote. I am saying the TOTAL opposite.

Please take your geritol and your mens mega multi-vitamin for better processing speed and memory and get back to me.

Thank you.

Your friend,

SF1900

[geeizback]

what do americans think of the milky bar kid?

loveable confectionery protector of the faith or dangerous anarchic vigilante?


I've never had a single positive experience with firearms. as I get older I find the rationale to own one ever more dangerous. but it is I suppose a constitutional right and at least the US has a formal constitution. we don't. and there are pro's and cons to both.

[geeizback]

what is clear however is without his gun this crackpot wouldn't have put 9 innocent people in their graves. there was no 'defence' here. just a loon unable to garner any power or influence through intellect or strength hiding behind a gun.

[K A N N I B A L]

And yes, I don't expect you to even remotely share my opinion that the second amendment to the United States constitution was put in expressly to allow free citizens to oppose their government should that government become tyrannical.

You dont find that ideal a little dated and impractical? If the government was democratically elected, which individuals decide theyve become tyrannical?
And how in the hell is this overthrow going to be initiated and coordinated?

[SF1900]

You dont find that ideal a little dated and impractical? If the government was democratically elected, which individuals decide theyve become tyrannical?
And how in the hell is this overthrow going to be initiated and coordinated?

Gun nutters tend to be paranoid.

[K A N N I B A L]

Not being from the US, I don't understand this whole sacred constitution.
Given bearing arms has resulted in far more civilian on civilian violence, than uprising against corrupt governments, it may be a time for a rethink? Or do the majority want to live by a set of rules made 100's of years ago?
Things change...Adherence to a set of ideals that were made in times way different than now seems so backward.

[The True Adonis]

Not being from the US, I don't understand this whole sacred constitution.
Given bearing arms has resulted in far more civilian on civilian violence, than uprising against corrupt governments, it may be a time for a rethink? Or do the majority want to live by a set of rules made 100's of years ago?
Things change...Adherence to a set of ideals that were made in times way different than now seems so backward.

Most people in the United States still live in rural areas.

Its a good idea to have something to protect yourself as it can take 30 minutes or longer for police to arrive in a large number of areas in our country.  Do you really want to take that chance?


Your country is not spread out like that I am sure.

[The Scott]

Not being from the US, I don't understand this whole sacred constitution.
Given bearing arms has resulted in far more civilian on civilian violence, than uprising against corrupt governments, it may be a time for a rethink? Or do the majority want to live by a set of rules made 100's of years ago?
Things change...Adherence to a set of ideals that were made in times way different than now seems so backward.

Freedom is not "backward".  I don't own a gun but that doesn't mean other Americans shouldn't.  
Proceed.

[The True Adonis]

[The True Adonis]

[SF1900]

TA, are you a gun owner? If so, what kind of firearms do you have? Does your wife also shoot?

[_aj_]

Not being from the US, I don't understand this whole sacred constitution.

I think you can just stop here.

[The Scott]

I think you can just stop here.

Tell him, brother.  The reason America isn't under anyone's thumb is because we gave 'em the finger. 

Here's to the Army and Navy and the battles they have won; here's to America's colors, the colors that never run. 

May the wings of liberty never lose a feather.

[SF1900]

Tell him, brother.  The reason America isn't under anyone's thumb is because we gave 'em the finger. 

Here's to the Army and Navy and the battles they have won; here's to America's colors, the colors that never run. 

May the wings of liberty never lose a feather.

But that is the issue: We spent so many years and effort fighting other countries for freedom, that we failed to see how our own people (rich powerful Americans) are enslaving our nation through power and corruption. Maybe Americans should start caring more about how our own people are enslaving us.

We really are free in so many little ways.

[The Ugly]

But that is the issue: We spent so many years and effort fighting other countries for freedom, that we failed to see how our own people (rich powerful Americans) are enslaving our nation through power and corruption. Maybe Americans should start caring more about how our own people are enslaving us.

We really are free in so many little ways.

Enslaved?

[_aj_]

Enslaved?

I tend to agree with my enlightened brother here. Economic enslavement is very real. I blame the TBTF banks and the corporatist/political class nexus (both parties are corrupt as fuck)

Politician, tree, rope: some assembly required.

[The Scott]

But that is the issue: We spent so many years and effort fighting other countries for freedom, that we failed to see how our own people (rich powerful Americans) are enslaving our nation through power and corruption. Maybe Americans should start caring more about how our own people are enslaving us.

We really are free in so many little ways.

I think we should take care of our own before we go helping other nations.  To be honest, outside of our allies I could care less about so many other nations, especially so the ones that hate us, ridicule us and still take aid from us.

Worse still are the ones that take lives from us.  Libtards want nothing more than to take more and so too do the faux conservatives.  Politics is big business and the main business seems to be centered on giving the WORKING citizenry the business and all in the name of "fairness".  John once told me that in D.C. there's two sides to every coin and they're not "heads", they're asses.