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[SF1900]

Gun grabbers

Calm down, no one is taking away your guns.

[bigmc]

I don't expect an Englishman to understand the concept that truly free men are free to bear arms, but your willful obstinacy is overdone.

And yes, I don't expect you to even remotely share my opinion that the second amendment to the United States constitution was put in expressly to allow free citizens to oppose their government should that government become tyrannical.

You can scoff, but the Swiss train every man and woman under 60 to repel invaders. I would wager that the chances of the U.S. Government under an autocratic administration becoming tyrannical are far greater than the Swiss being invaded by a standing army.

You DON'T understand Americans and that's ok, I don't understand your love of perpetual serfdom.

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yeah  you cant be a free man without a gun

retard 

[The Ugly]

Gun grabbers

Yes, get rid of guns and all is well. Funny how no one really gives a fuck when it's just Chicago killing Chicago, Baltimore killing Baltimore, Detroit killing Detroit, etc.

Crazy white boy unloads, "Stop the madness!" Fucking hypocrites.

[_aj_]

yeah  you cant be a free man without a gun

retard 

I see reading comprehension isn't a strength. Go back and reread the first sentence.

[SuperTed]

There are advantages and disadvantages of citizens having a "right to bear arms". The biggest problem for me is that in every society, you have a small percentage of it's population who are batshit insane. It's just the way it is. And giving people who are batshit insane easy access to guns will lead to mass shootings every now and again unfortunatley.

The same things would occur in the UK if guns were easy to get hold of I'd bet.

[_aj_]

There are advantages and disadvantages of citizens having a "right to bear arms". The biggest problem for me is that in every society, you have a small percentage of it's population who are batshit insane. It's just the way it is. And giving people who are batshit insane easy access to guns will lead to mass shootings every now and again unfortunatley.

The same things would occur in the UK if guns were easy to get hold of I'd bet.

So, all of society must labor under laws designed purely to thwart the "batshit insane?" Or only the parts of society that you don't understand nor subscribe to should be held to this new legal standard?

[Tapeworm]

Under what circumstances would you give up your guns and rights to have a gun?  Anything goes.  It's a fantasy.  Name your price if there is one.

[SuperTed]

So, all of society must labor under laws designed purely to thwart the "batshit insane?" Or only the parts of society that you don't understand nor subscribe to should be held to this new legal standard?

I'm not really anti-gun tbh and can understand why many American's feel the need to have them. As TA said, America is far more rural than most Europeon nations so it makes sense for those living in such areas to own guns.
I'm just imagining if the UK for instance had easy access to guns. I'm sure there would be occasions occurring quite often where some deranged loon goes on a random shooting spree in a school/mall/church etc. The only thing that prevents this occurring here is tight gun control.

[_aj_]

I'm not really anti-gun tbh and can understand why many American's feel the need to have them. As TA said, America is far more rural than most Europeon nations so it makes sense for those living in such areas to own guns.
I'm just imagining if the UK for instance had easy access to guns. I'm sure there would be occasions occurring quite often where some deranged loon goes on a random shooting spree in a school/mall/church etc. The only thing that prevents this occurring here is tight gun control.

And it's because of the UK's tight gun control that there is no gun violence at all in the UK? Got it.

[pedro01]

Not being from the US, I don't understand this whole sacred constitution.
Given bearing arms has resulted in far more civilian on civilian violence, than uprising against corrupt governments, it may be a time for a rethink? Or do the majority want to live by a set of rules made 100's of years ago?
Things change...Adherence to a set of ideals that were made in times way different than now seems so backward.

The constitution is sacrosanct - it CANNOT be changed.

And do go changing those amendments either. 

[Twaddle]

I hate guns

Good, that leaves more for me.   

[Twaddle]

Under what circumstances would you give up your guns and rights to have a gun?  Anything goes.  It's a fantasy.  Name your price if there is one.

When you can pry them from my cold dead fingers.   

[pedro01]

And if that never happened, how would anything be different exactly? 

The people on the other side of those rigged trades would be wealthier.

And the people who lost jobs because of skewed exchange rates making their exports noncompetitive would still have their jobs.

Currencies should be allowed to 'freely' find their own values, not be manipulated by JP Morgan to fill their coffers.

[SuperTed]

And it's because of the UK's tight gun control that there is no gun violence at all in the UK? Got it.

It's a major reason. Guns are difficult to get hold off and therefore, it's rare to see gun related violence. Mass shootings are pretty much non existant.
There is some gun violence in the UK but it's nothing major. Even the guns that are floating around are usually shitty modified BB's and other unreliable crap. Most of the gang's here use knives instead.
Admittedly though, the UK go overboard when it comes to gun control.

[_aj_]

The constitution is sacrosanct - it CANNOT be changed.

And do go changing those amendments either. 

Sure it can, that's spelled out in the Constitution too. It's prohibitively difficult, but possible: 3/4 of the House and 3/4 of the Senate and 3/4 of the state's legislatures.

Or

An Article V "Constitutional Convention" which is made up of the 50 states and does NOT include anybody from the federal government.

[_aj_]

It's a major reason. Guns are difficult to get hold off and therefore, it's rare to see gun related violence. Mass shootings are pretty much non existant.
There is some gun violence in the UK but it's nothing major. Even the guns that are floating around are usually shitty modified BB's and other unreliable crap. Most of the gang's here use knives instead.
Admittedly though, the UK go overboard when it comes to gun control.

Wait, so you have full gun control and DO have gun related violent crime. That's puzzling.

Curious: why do single "batshit crazy" events in the U.S. invalidate my world-view, while singular events in your statist paradise do not invalidate yours? Holding the UK to the same standard you want to hold the U.S. would instantly declare gun control a failure every time some yob puts a bullet into somebody else in the UK.

[pedro01]

Sure it can, that's spelled out in the Constitution too. It's prohibitively difficult, but possible: 3/4 of the House and 3/4 of the Senate and 3/4 of the state's legislatures.

Or

An Article V "Constitutional Convention" which is made up of the 50 states and does NOT include anybody from the federal government.

You are missing the irony.

I love it when Americans say "you can't change the second amendment"

You do know what "Amendment" means, right?

[Tapeworm]

When you can pry them from my cold dead fingers.   

Yikes.  No Utopia of mine.  Bunch of rigored digits everywhere.

Don't go polishing any lanterns in the near future, sir.

[_aj_]

You do know what "Amendment" means, right?

Of course I do, obviously much better than you. It can be repealed or changed under the constitutionally mandated provisions for such a change. But those provisions are designed in such a way to prevent the capricious dalliance whipsaw of mob rule.

[SF1900]

Arguing with a gun nutter is like arguing with a religious person. Religious people have their god, gun nutters have their guns, and you can't tell either group anything. They are both extremely stringent in their thinking.

[_aj_]

Arguing with a gun nutter is like arguing with a religious person. Religious people have their god, gun nutters have their guns, and you can't tell either group anything. They are both extremely stringent in their thinking.

While that may be true, this conversation has oddly veered into basic Constitutional Law, for which I have a long-held passion. That's the reason I keep swinging. I don't expect outsiders to understand my American sub-culture. I never have. My world-view is as alien to you as any other culture on earth.

[SuperTed]

Wait, so you have full gun control and DO have gun related violent crime. That's puzzling.

Curious: why do single "batshit crazy" events in the U.S. invalidate my world-view, while singular events in your statist paradise do not invalidate yours? Holding the UK to the same standard you want to hold the U.S. would instantly declare gun control a failure every time some yob puts a bullet into somebody else in the UK.

There is gun crime in the UK but it would be far worse if guns were easier to obtain.
 
I understand that you're not someone who's going change his opinion on this issue but don't you at least acknowledge some of the problems that can arise in a country if guns are easy to access?

[SF1900]

While that may be true, this conversation has oddly veered into basic Constitutional Law, for which I have a long-held passion. That's the reason I keep swinging. I don't expect outsiders to understand my American sub-culture. I never have. My world-view is as alien to you as any other culture on earth.

Yes, a worldview of paranoia :-D

[_aj_]

I understand that you're not someone who's going change his opinion on this issue but don't you at least acknowledge some of the problems that can arise in a country if guns are easy to access?

Sure. Will you also agree that those problems do not disappear if guns are made near impossible to access?

[SuperTed]

Sure. Will you also agree that those problems do not disappear if guns are made near impossible to access?

Of course I do, hence why I previously said I'm not really anti-gun and think the UK go overboard with it's anti-gun laws.