Historic Day, Gay Marriage legal in all 50 States :)

[timfogarty]

Would you be equally motivated to protest Muslim bakers who won't bake the wedding cake?

If you incorporate into a business, then the business has to follow the laws of the state. In states that have anti-discrimination laws, businesses cannot discriminate, period.

Now a business can say we don't do wedding cakes.  That is not discrimination.  And a business can say we don't put hate speech on our cakes.  That is not discrimination.  But to say we will do this for them but not for you, that is discrimination.

[Tapeworm]

Finally I can make equal use of 'Aren't you married?' to ward off these advances.

I'm not saying I will but it's nice to know that I can.

[The Ugly]

If you incorporate into a business, then the business has to follow the laws of the state. In states that have anti-discrimination laws, businesses cannot discriminate, period.

Now a business can say we don't do wedding cakes.  That is not discrimination.  And a business can say we don't put hate speech on our cakes.  That is not discrimination.  But to say we will do this for them but not for you, that is discrimination.

What if it's a specialty service that likes to choose projects according to their strengths or interests?

Hypothetically, am I obligated to build some dude a gay-themed hot rod if my heart's not into it? Or tattoo a rainbow on some fella if I prefer working black and gray?

I can see activists turning something innocent like this into a legal issue.

[Coach is Back!]

Townhall is just another conservative bias magazine/website.  Huffington Post is a thoughtful, reasonable, well put together website with a broad range of topics.

lol

[timfogarty]

Hypothetically, am I obligated to build some dude a gay-themed hot rod if my heart's not into it? Or tattoo a rainbow on some fella if I prefer working black and gray?

if you build other people themed hot rods, yes.  if you tattoo in color for other people, yes.  If you're a public accommodation, then you have to serve everyone equally.

for example, we don't serve people who are smelly, dirty, barefoot, etc.  that is ok. you're treating everyone equally.  We don't serve anyone from a class of people (black, jewish, gay, female), that is not ok.  We don't do hate speech for anyone.  that is ok.  we will do a message for one person but not another, that is not ok.

[forillagorilla]

Didn't read the thread so maybe this has already been pointed out..

I am pretty sure you meant to say Historic... 

[Papper]

The US is a very homo progressive nation. You showed it by accepting Transjenner and taking him to heart as well. What's next, letting gays and heshes adopt innocent children?

[Zillotch]

The US is a very homo progressive nation. You showed it by accepting Transjenner and taking him to heart as well.

I'd like to think that most people consider Jenner to be a completely perverted fucking freak.

[Walter Sobchak]

I'd like to think that most people consider Jenner to be a completely perverted fucking freak.

Yes.....except for the 23 year old liberal college dropouts writing the news blogs for MSN and Kelly Osbourne.

[forillagorilla]

if you build other people themed hot rods, yes.  if you tattoo in color for other people, yes.  If you're a public accommodation, then you have to serve everyone equally.

for example, we don't serve people who are smelly, dirty, barefoot, etc.  that is ok. you're treating everyone equally.  We don't serve anyone from a class of people (black, jewish, gay, female), that is not ok.  We don't do hate speech for anyone.  that is ok.  we will do a message for one person but not another, that is not ok.

So what happens when that tattoo artist who is forced to do a tat he or she doesn't want to do - and somehow totally screws it up. Or the massage therapist simply does a half ass job. Do the clients still pay?? Can you not see the absolute ignorance in forcing people to do things they don't want to do?   If a man is gay he has a right to be offended by hetero men that are disgusted by his choices but the hetero men are NOT given the right to be offended by seeing that gay man dressed in ridiculously short Jean shorts and halter top???   

[Papper]

I'd like to think that most people consider Jenner to be a completely perverted fucking freak.

I'd like to think so too but your media says otherwise.

Because isn't the media a representation of what the readers/people want to read?

[Zillotch]

Because isn't the media a representation of what the readers/people want to read?

I dont think that many people bother with traditional 'media' anymore. The internet allows people to choose their content, and slowly but surely – they are.

[Coach is Back!]

Any business has the RIGHT to refuse business to ANYONE for any reason. It's as simple as that!! But business wise it's not a good idea. You're in business to make money. But again if you have a business and choose not to serve a person for whatever reason, then so be it.

[Straw Man]

Couldn't careless if they get married or not. It's a matter of pushing an agenda to create another tax revenue stream. And oh yeah, pushing their bullshit on our kids.

A few pearls of wisdom from the beautiful mind of Joe Loco

I swear to god you seem to get a bit more stupid every time that you post

[Papper]

I dont think that many people bother with traditional 'media' anymore. The internet allows people to choose their content, and slowly but surely – they are.

Thank god for the internet.

[Primemuscle]

....I say that being conservative isn't a choice.  I was born this way.  I knew it in the womb.

While it is interesting that you would say this, I seriously doubt that this is possible. Many people adopt their parent's views.

[The Ugly]

Any business has the RIGHT to refuse business to ANYONE for any reason. It's as simple as that!! But business wise it's not a good idea. You're in business to make money. But again if you have a business and choose not to serve a person for whatever reason, then so be it.

No, Joe, those signs behind the bar are bullshit. Muslim (for instance) walks in, orders a beer, "Sorry, read the sign. We reserve the right not to serve you."

Kiss your business goodbye. Sued into bankruptcy for discrimination. Libertarians been all over this for the longest.

[The Ugly]

if you build other people themed hot rods, yes.  if you tattoo in color for other people, yes.  If you're a public accommodation, then you have to serve everyone equally.

for example, we don't serve people who are smelly, dirty, barefoot, etc.  that is ok. you're treating everyone equally.  We don't serve anyone from a class of people (black, jewish, gay, female), that is not ok.  We don't do hate speech for anyone.  that is ok.  we will do a message for one person but not another, that is not ok.

This is where it's gonna get stupid. Some of these specialty businesses are very selective on projects they undertake.

For instance, Fred Durst once asked Jesse James to build him a custom bike. Jesse said no, because he thought Fred was a turd. That's a lot of blood, sweat, and tears to invest into something you're just not feeling, especially when you don't need the money. Dude had a waiting list of wealthy clients.

Now, had Fred been gay or the wrong color ... see where we end up here?

[The Scott]

This is where it's gonna get stupid. Some of these specialty businesses are very selective on projects they undertake.

For instance, Fred Durst once asked Jesse James to build him a custom bike. Jesse said no, because he thought Fred was a turd. That's a lot of blood, sweat, and tears to invest into something you're just not feeling, especially when you don't need the money. Dude had a waiting list of wealthy clients.

Now, had Fred been gay or the wrong color ... see where we end up here?

Rainbow colored glasses filter out injustices against any that oppose them.  Not all think as he does.  Fools, however, don't think.  They "feel".

[Howard]

I couldn't agree more. He's desecrated the office of the President beyond what just about any leader of any country would do. He's shit on the country and killed its dignity.

Local seafood restaurant owner (we frequent) had my exact response.
The gay marriage rights decision didn't bother him too much.
BUT, having a gay rainbow lit up on the entire White House was very offensive.

Imagine the outrage if  Gov Haley (R) of SC had a rebel flag light on the SC state capitol.
Liberals would try to burn the place down.

The dems lost my vote next election along with a bunch of other moderates.
Backing thugs over police, not going hard after ISIS and this gay rainbow light are too much for me.
Don't even get me started on his train wreck in health care Ins.
Obama has pissed off a LOT of people that voted for him.

[Straw Man]

Local seafood restaurant owner (we frequent) had my exact response.
The gay marriage rights decision didn't bother him too much.
BUT, having a gay rainbow lit up on the entire White House was very offensive.

Imagine the outrage if  Gov Haley (R) of SC had a rebel flag light on the SC state capitol.
Liberals would try to burn the place down.

The dems lost my vote next election along with a bunch of other moderates.
Backing thugs over police, not going hard after ISIS and this gay rainbow light are too much for me.
Don't even get me started on his train wreck in health care Ins.
Obama has pissed off a LOT of people that voted for him.

fyi - the confederate flag is flying on the state capital grounds of south carolina right now.

This ruling was about equal protection under the law (among other things)

tell us why you and your friend are offended by a temporary light show by the White House to commemorate a landmark ruling by the SCOTUS

[Primemuscle]

Local seafood restaurant owner (we frequent) had my exact response.
The gay marriage rights decision didn't bother him too much.
BUT, having a gay rainbow lit up on the entire White House was very offensive.

Imagine the outrage if  Gov Haley (R) of SC had a rebel flag light on the SC state capitol.
Liberals would try to burn the place down.

The dems lost my vote next election along with a bunch of other moderates.
Backing thugs over police, not going hard after ISIS and this gay rainbow light are too much for me.
Don't even get me started on his train wreck in health care Ins.
Obama has pissed off a LOT of people that voted for him.

Nothing new here. By the time most Presidents leave office, they accomplished some serious ticking off.

I cannot speak to the idea that healthcare has become a "train wreck" because I actually pay less for the same coverage I had prior to Obamacare. But then, I never opted for a budget plan. I paid for full coverage and got it. I still get it, only it costs me considerably less than before Obamacare. Incidentally, I don't qualify for government subsidies. My wife's medical bill this year was over $300,000. I paid less than $3,000 out of pocket in medical charges, not including prescription drugs which is another $1,000.

[Natural Man]

homosexuals cant have kids. Most of them molest kids and make them homosexuals who cant have kids either and will rape little children again and so on.

How is it a progress to any race to see the rise of homosexuals?

Combining this with a dangerously low birth rate and massive immigration from the third world, i guess it s pretty obvious the white race dont intend to be part of mankind's future.

One would think such a dominating race would at least end in a bang, but it s disapearing in a shameful, pathetic fart noise. A gay one at that.

[Primemuscle]

homosexuals cant have kids. Most of them molest kids and make them homosexuals who cant have kids either and will rape little children again and so on.

How is it a progress to any race to see the rise of homosexuals?

One would think such a dominating race would at least end in a bang, but it s disapearing in a shameful, pathetic fart noise. A gay one at that.

Believe what you will, but you are wrong. Homosexuals are no more likely to be child molesters than heterosexuals.

Homosexuals do have children. Granted they either have them using a surrogate or a sperm donor, unless they adopt. The lesbian couple who lives across the street from me have five young children. They appear to be loving parents. They spend more time with their kids than many other parents do.

Percentage wise, there are likely no more homosexuals then there ever were. There are a lot of homosexuals who no longer hide in the closet because most enlightened society has come to accept them without regard to who they love, physically, romantically and emotionally.

[The Scott]

While it is interesting that you would say this, I seriously doubt that this is possible. Many people adopt their parent's views.

It was a variation on the theme so often used to justify behavior.  I meant it jokingly, old friend.

Be well.