Author Topic: no thread on the isis gunman who just murdered 38, inc 15 brits? (Read 5802 times)

_aj_ · « **Reply #25 on:** June 27, 2015, 01:42:59 PM »

Quote from: bigmc on June 27, 2015, 01:30:07 PM

epic lack of research

before throwing yourself under the bus

it was epic, I was thinking only about Islamic terrorism, not the homegrown variant. If only I could go back in time...

bigmc · « **Reply #26 on:** June 27, 2015, 01:45:27 PM »

Quote from: _aj_ on June 27, 2015, 01:42:59 PM

it was epic, I was thinking only about Islamic terrorism, not the homegrown variant. If only I could go back in time...

I wouldn't go on holiday in any of these countries

there was a mass shooting years ago at the Egyptian pyramids

fuck that whole part of the world

SF1900 · « **Reply #27 on:** June 27, 2015, 01:46:20 PM »

Quote from: bigmc on June 27, 2015, 01:45:27 PM

I wouldn't go on holiday in any of these countries

there was a mass shooting years ago at the Egyptian pyramids

fuck that whole part of the world

Id love to travel overseas, but dont feel safe these days.

_aj_ · « **Reply #28 on:** June 27, 2015, 01:47:29 PM »

Quote from: bigmc on June 27, 2015, 01:45:27 PM

I wouldn't go on holiday in any of these countries

there was a mass shooting years ago at the Egyptian pyramids

fuck that whole part of the world

Agreed. My wife's cousins just took a bus tour of Egypt. I actually asked them if they were insane.

SF1900 · « **Reply #29 on:** June 27, 2015, 01:48:13 PM »

Quote from: _aj_ on June 27, 2015, 01:47:29 PM

Agreed. My wife's cousins just took a bus tour of Egypt. I actually asked them if they were insane.

AJ, you should go to Egypt and bring your gun and show them who's boss!!

Irongrip400 · « **Reply #30 on:** June 27, 2015, 01:49:42 PM »

Quote from: SF1900 on June 27, 2015, 01:40:46 PM

5-6 still nullify your statement, gramps.

Nothing is 100%.

Also, can we Do some sort of statistical analysis to see if there is a relevant correlation between is lam and violence.

calfzilla · « **Reply #31 on:** June 27, 2015, 01:51:06 PM »

Quote from: bigmc on June 27, 2015, 01:45:27 PM

I wouldn't go on holiday in any of these countries

there was a mass shooting years ago at the Egyptian pyramids

fuck that whole part of the world

After that mass shooting they increased security in tourist areas and made it pretty safe. Now after the "revolution"

I'm not so sure.

_aj_ · « **Reply #32 on:** June 27, 2015, 01:51:15 PM »

Quote from: SF1900 on June 27, 2015, 01:48:13 PM

AJ, you should go to Egypt and bring your gun and show them who's boss!!

Sadly, possession of a weapon is highly illegal in Egypt. That's why there's no crime.

SF1900 · « **Reply #33 on:** June 27, 2015, 02:01:50 PM »

Quote from: Irongrip400 on June 27, 2015, 01:49:42 PM

Nothing is 100%.

Also, can we Do some sort of statistical analysis to see if there is a relevant correlation between is lam and violence.

I know nothing is 100%, which is why I posted what I posted.

Skylge · « **Reply #34 on:** June 27, 2015, 02:07:22 PM »

Quote from: _aj_ on June 27, 2015, 11:07:38 AM

It's a good thing that there is full gun control in Tunisia or this could have been REALLY bad.

Do any of you European and British (but I repeat myself) gun-control supporters ever wonder why these attacks don't happen in Texas?

Just some practical thinking: suppose you are on some beach in your swimwear. Where do you leave all your guns?
Does an AR-15 fit in a bikini?

Irongrip400 · « **Reply #35 on:** June 27, 2015, 02:10:23 PM »

Quote from: Skylge on June 27, 2015, 02:07:22 PM

Just some practical thinking: suppose you are on some beach in your swimwear. Where do you leave all your guns?
Does an AR-15 fit in a bikini?

Someone post the pic of the Israeli army chicks with guns on at the beach for this sympathizer.

SF1900 · « **Reply #36 on:** June 27, 2015, 02:11:10 PM »

Quote from: _aj_ on June 27, 2015, 01:51:15 PM

Sadly, possession of a weapon is highly illegal in Egypt. That's why there's no crime.

AJ, youre like dirty harry! That is why your wife must be so attracted to you.

Twaddle · « **Reply #37 on:** June 27, 2015, 02:48:00 PM »

Quote from: Skylge on June 27, 2015, 02:07:22 PM

Just some practical thinking: suppose you are on some beach in your swimwear. Where do you leave all your guns?
Does an AR-15 fit in a bikini?

Solution.

Natural Man · « **Reply #38 on:** June 27, 2015, 04:26:29 PM »

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I guess europeans will now completely avoid going to maghreb -north africa- , which means less jobs as tourism is the number one business there. So more muslims unable to find work will have to migrate to...europe for jobs. Absurdity at its finest.

I also like how the terrorists criticize europeans for being decadent, yet they wont attack the rich cheicks than finance them and bang whores and do coke daily... Stupid puppets.

Nomad · « **Reply #39 on:** June 27, 2015, 09:46:08 PM »

Quote from: SF1900 on June 27, 2015, 11:42:42 AM

Yup, these shootings never happen in Texas. NEVER, EVER!!! In fact, two of the worst mass shootings have occurred in Texas. But, nope, these attacks NEVER happen in Texas!!!!

1. Oct. 16, 1991: A deadly shooting rampage took place in Killeen, Texas, as George Hennard opened fire at a Luby’s Cafeteria, killing 23 people before taking his own life. 20 others were wounded in the attack.

2 .Aug. 1, 1966: Charles Whitman opened fire from the clock tower at the University of Texas at Austin, killing 16 people and wounding 31.

3. Nov. 5, 2009: Thirteen soldiers and civilians were killed and more than two dozen wounded when a gunman walked into the Soldier Readiness Processing Center at Fort Hood, Texas, and opened fire. Army psychiatrist Maj. Nidal Hasan is charged with 13 counts of premeditated murder and 32 counts of attempted premeditated murder.

4. Sept. 15, 1999: Seven people were killed and seven others injured when a gunman opened fire inside a crowded chapel at Fort Worth’s Wedgewood Baptist Church. Some worshipers believed that Larry Gene Ashbrook was pulling a prank and continued singing after the shooting began. The murderer killed himself.

5. On July 9, 2014, a mass shooting occurred in a home located in the town of Spring, Texas, a suburb of Houston, leaving six family members dead, four of them children, and a lone survivor. The suspected shooter, later identified as 33-year-old Ronald Lee Haskell, was apprehended after a standoff that lasted several hours.[2][3][4] Haskell was related to the victims by a former marriage.[5]

6. On November 10, 2013, two people have been killed and at least 22 others injured in Cypress, a northwest suburb of Houston, Texas, when a house party erupted into a shooting.

And how many of these were gun free zones?

_aj_ · « **Reply #40 on:** June 28, 2015, 04:59:37 AM »

Quote from: Nomad on June 27, 2015, 09:46:08 PM

And how many of these were gun free zones?

We went through that ITT. 1-4 are GFZ.

BB · « **Reply #41 on:** June 28, 2015, 05:16:07 AM »

Quote from: _aj_ on June 28, 2015, 04:59:37 AM

We went through that ITT. 1-4 are GFZ.

Also that last one on that list makes it sound more deadly than it was. A lot of the injured were hurt by getting trampled, etc.... It was a huge party that had a gang fight start in the middle of it.

_aj_ · « **Reply #42 on:** June 28, 2015, 05:26:00 AM »

Quote from: BB on June 28, 2015, 05:16:07 AM

Also that last one on that list makes it sound more deadly than it was. A lot of the injured were hurt by getting trampled, etc.... It was a huge party that had a gang fight start in the middle of it.

True, and technically, #5 is an armed B&E, and is hardly inside the definition of "legal carry", but I will let the final win stand for SF1900. He likes to win on the Internet

Twaddle · « **Reply #43 on:** June 28, 2015, 05:47:59 AM »

So, is there a common theme, and how do we stop these tragedies?

_aj_ · « **Reply #44 on:** June 28, 2015, 05:55:55 AM »

Quote from: Twaddle on June 28, 2015, 05:47:59 AM

So, is there a common theme, and how do we stop these tragedies?

First of all, it's not a "tragedy", it's a crime. It's called "murder"

Second, unless you can change the basic tenets of the human condition, you can't stop it from happening. What you CAN do is give good people access to the best forms of self-defense available. Give the sheep horns and maybe you can reduce the rate at which the sheep are sowed.

Remember: when seconds count, the police are only minutes away!

Twaddle · « **Reply #45 on:** June 28, 2015, 06:34:19 AM »

Quote from: _aj_ on June 28, 2015, 05:55:55 AM

First of all, it's not a "tragedy", it's a crime. It's called "murder"

You don't consider innocent women and children being shot down tragic?

Second, unless you can change the basic tenets of the human condition, you can't stop it from happening. What you CAN do is give good people access to the best forms of self-defense available. Give the sheep horns and maybe you can reduce the rate at which the sheep are sowed.

So, arm the innocents, but do nothing to stop the criminals?

Remember: when seconds count, the police are only minutes away!

Agreed, sometimes 30 minutes away.

_aj_ · « **Reply #46 on:** June 28, 2015, 06:41:12 AM »

Quote from: Twaddle on June 28, 2015, 06:34:19 AM

Can't quote your inline comments, but...

Slaughter of innocents is always a horror, but let's reserve "tragedy" for things outside human control.

And you're missing my point, "arming of innocents" is the most effective way to "stop the criminals". Criminals can't be criminals until the point the they are committing a crime. Please google the term "prior restraint" to see the legal precedents.

Twaddle · « **Reply #47 on:** June 28, 2015, 06:49:59 AM »

Quote from: _aj_ on June 28, 2015, 06:41:12 AM

Can't quote your inline comments, but...

And you're missing my point, "arming of innocents" is the most effective way to "stop the criminals". Criminals can't be criminals until the point the they are committing a crime.

I would like more reading material on the above. What are the proven statistics? If criminals can't be criminals until the point that they are committing a crime; then essentially they were innocent people with guns, up to the point that they started shooting? If that is the case, why would you condone arming more innocent people?

Also, what are your thoughts on mandatory background checks for any firearm purchase or transfer? Would that have any effect at all?

_aj_ · « **Reply #48 on:** June 28, 2015, 06:53:57 AM »

Quote from: Twaddle on June 28, 2015, 06:49:59 AM

I would like more reading material on the above. What are the proven statistics? If criminals can't be criminals until the point that they are committing a crime; then essentially they were innocent people with guns, up to the point that they started shooting? If that is the case, why would you condone arming more innocent people?

Also, what are your thoughts on mandatory background checks for any firearm purchase or transfer? Would that have any effect at all?

Lord, the Internet is full of statistics. Look up the work of John Lott.

So far, all of the recent attacks have been with either illegally obtained weapons or by first time psychos that were subjected to a background check and passed, so evidence suggests that background checks don't really do shit.

SF1900 · « **Reply #49 on:** June 28, 2015, 07:01:00 AM »

Quote from: _aj_ on June 28, 2015, 05:26:00 AM

True, and technically, #5 is an armed B&E, and is hardly inside the definition of "legal carry", but I will let the final win stand for SF1900. He likes to win on the Internet

AJ scraping the bottom of the barrel to try and prove his point. It doesn't matter that some people were trampled or not. It was all still the result of a gun being drawn and fired.

Either way, it's not a win. You made a statement and I provided evidence contrary to your statement.