The lowdown on drugs from Shawn Ray, Dorian and Levrone

[Rajkapoor]

    This thread will end with dealers trying to discredit three top pro's from the golden age, claiming you have to buy them 6grams a week to look decent.

They already doing it.i got jumped by 2 above but hey you don't wanna argue with idiots . kids on these boards dont take them serious please.if a guy comes to you in gym and tell he knows from very reliable personal source how much gear gh and slin so and so pro bodybuilder is on.....Be Alarmed....this mo fo is after your money and health.

[visualizeperfection]

I said it before and I will say it again. Drug users deny use because they want the credit for their physique. They don't want it going to the drug. They want you to believe it's their work ethic and exercise knowledge that is the reason for their physique. Then when they are completely clean for 6 months their work ethic and exercise knowledge accounts for nothing because they look like crap. Suddenly the guy in the gym they gave so much unwanted advice suddenly looks in better shape than they do

I am in awe of what hard work, genetics and yes drugs can do on the bodybuilding stage. I just don't bury my head in the sand and pretend the guy would look even remotely close without the chemical assist.

What ever drugs they are using today is making them look like bloated crap. Soft muscles that look inflated instead of dense.

I bet you LLS.

[Parker]

Lol....you have no idea of bodybuilding.



Is this board full of parrots and stupid people with no first hand experience with drugs?


A standard bulking cylcle back in the day was an amp of testoviron and an amp of organon deca a day....then throw in 10-15 ciba dbols

Here is the thing. You have three Pros. One didn't say jack, but it is known he did the "standard", never got that big. And competed against 3 Mr. Os.
Then you have a competitor that was known to take off for most of the year.
And then you have a multi Mr. O winner. Now what is telling is that none of these three have the kidney or serious health issues (that we know of) that has been dropping competitors right and left. From their era and later.

[Bevo]

Here is the thing. You have three Pros. One didn't jack, but it is known he did the "standard", never got that big. And competed against 3 Mr. Os.
Then you have a competitor that was known to take off for most of the year.
And then you have a multi Mr. O winner. Now what is telling is that none of these three have the kidney or serious health issues (that we know of) that has been dropping competitors right and left. From their era and later.

Still pretty early to really know, or maybe they are the lucky ones who got away. Too many factors and we'll see how it plays out

[illuminati]

I said it before and I will say it again. Drug users deny use because they want the credit for their physique. They don't want it going to the drug. They want you to believe it's their work ethic and exercise knowledge that is the reason for their physique. Then when they are completely clean for 6 months their work ethic and exercise knowledge accounts for nothing because they look like crap. Suddenly the guy in the gym they gave so much unwanted advice suddenly looks in better shape than they do

I am in awe of what hard work, genetics and yes drugs can do on the bodybuilding stage. I just don't bury my head in the sand and pretend the guy would look even remotely close without the chemical assist.

What ever drugs they are using today is making them look like bloated crap. Soft muscles that look inflated instead of dense. "

I can only speak for myself.
I don't deny using AAS & that they do help.

Though I had competed & won at national level in both
Powerlifting & bodybuilding Before I Took any AAS.
I was young & not informed.
Personally I wish I had the Knowledge Back then that I have now
As Not only Would I have Won on a National level,
I could have Likely Done very well or Gone on to Win at a World Class Level.

Don't talk to me about lack of training Knowledge / Work Ethic.
I know Far more & Train as Hard or harder now than I did Back
Then When Not Using.

You don't want to use Drugs in your Training Good for you.

Do Not Try To Criticise or Diminish What I have Done.
You Do Not Know Me.
I do not Try to Preach to You / or Criticise Your choice
Not to use.

I'm totally Fed up With The Holier Than Thou Blanket Attitude
Of People Like You.
  

[honest]

Whilst I believe the cycles could be slightly under dosed I think their general view is truthful,bodybuilding is full of guys with average genetics at best killing themselves with dosages to try and take away the genetic advantage of others.

[pellius]

The quality of muscle is not the same. The 90s guys had that "look", like the muscle was chiseled out of granite. Detailed, striated, etc. Today's guys look like their muscles are "blown up from within" like with air or water. That has to have something to do with the drugs.
Even Big Ramy, as much as he weighs, doesn't look as impressive as a 265-280 pound Dillett, let alone Ronnie or Dorian.

I believe this has more to do with the increased use, and abuse, of insulin. Not the quality and quantity of the steroids used today by the top pros. I assure you that the top IFBB pros have access to high quality hormones.

Insulin give you a different look. More of a marshmellow type of muscle like Philsulina.

[pellius]

They already doing it.i got jumped by 2 above but hey you don't wanna argue with idiots . kids on these boards dont take them serious please.if a guy comes to you in gym and tell he knows from very reliable personal source how much gear gh and slin so and so pro bodybuilder is on.....Be Alarmed....this mo fo is after your money and health.

What kind of experience do you have in competitive bodybuilding or just bodybuilding and hormone use in general? How would you rank yourself as a bodybuilder? Beginner, intermediate, advance?

[Vince B]

Dorian never looked that good when winning the Olympia. He looked amazing some weeks out. Lots of guys do. Makes us wonder what they do wrong.

We have all reached sticking points in our progress as bodybuilders. We can only imagine what the champs will do to overcome them. Lesser, more careful, mortals will not risk

their health for a trophy and title. If we read the internet it is clear there is plenty of information available. However, how does one assess the information? That is where

everyone is on his own. That is where the gurus come in. Most bodybuilders are not capable of doing the research to know what to do. This really is a recipe for disaster.

That is exactly what we see over the years.

Resident experts are claiming the dosages claimed by the top guys were not accurate. How would they know? I haven't been impressed with the honesty of bodybuilders over the

decades. Arnold never disclosed what he did. So it became guesswork and armchair speculation. A few guys who have tried larger dosages and didn't make sufficient gains would

say that similars drug protocols wouldn't get results. I doubt we are ever going to get full, honest disclosures from the champions. Even if we do get some they won't be accepted

by the broscientists on discussion boards.

[Danimal77]

Ronnie was natural until 93? Gifted dude

Didn't Dorian claim that Ronnie was natural until 1991 when he weighed 215 pounds?

So, Kevin's heaviest competition weight was 257 pounds. He was a big mofo!

[HonestBob]

Always amusing to hear this BS. It's funny how their cycles always seem to change during different interviews. They lie so much they can't even keep their lies consistent.

Actually this is very consistent with what DY has told me to my face.  I know him in passing so I'm not his mate who he would be less likely to lie to (and in his day he was notorious for keeping things close to his chest), but this is exactly what he told me, especially on the insulin and GH use.

[HonestBob]

It is hillarious. Wonder if they were able to keep a straight face

Dorian winning in 93 with half of what I take and Kevin taking 3 ius of insulin a day hahHhHAAAAAA

Dorian was around 36ius daily

Are you aware that this says far more about you than about them.

What an embarrassment you must be to yourself and the reason why you constantly seek to bolster yourself up with your pitiful self-aggrandizing.

[HonestBob]

The Real Parabolan was very very good.

1 amp a day was normal for a bodybuilder back in the day. We all knew back then that hgh kept the sides away

1 amp a day was normal for parabolan???

Only if you were in the retard club. 1-2 a week was "normal" for more sensible guys and 3 a week plus a 4 sustanon was considered a hardcore competitive HW bodybuilder stack. And these guys (early 90s) were rarely using much GH because it was so damn expensive.

[SuperTed]

Actually this is very consistent with what DY has told me to my face.  I know him in passing so I'm not his mate who he would be less likely to lie to (and in his day he was notorious for keeping things close to his chest), but this is exactly what he told me, especially on the insulin and GH use.

Maybe to what he told you, but he's gives different doses in other interviews. Other posters here have also claimed to have heard him give varying information.
I watched one interview in which he claimed his pre-Olympia cycle was less than what the current female bikini competitors use.

[Rajkapoor]

What kind of experience do you have in competitive bodybuilding or just bodybuilding and hormone use in general? How would you rank yourself as a bodybuilder? Beginner, intermediate, advance?

back to biginner.

[jon cole]

1 amp a day was normal for parabolan???

Only if you were in the retard club. 1-2 a week was "normal" for more sensible guys and 3 a week plus a 4 sustanon was considered a hardcore competitive HW bodybuilder stack. And these guys (early 90s) were rarely using much GH because it was so damn expensive.

one negma a day is impossible. A friend of mine got insane nose bleeding after 3 week at 3 amp. And he was 275lbs.

[Vince B]

From reading this thread it is clear that most bodybuilders are insane. They take crazy risks with their health and live this lifestyle for years and years.

All those crazy drug protocols have filtered down to the gyms and it is sad to think what many might be taking. I look at most contests now and shake my

head at the way the guys look. Ditto for the women. I don't even want to attend the muscle shows.

[Van_Bilderass]

Dorian never looked that good when winning the Olympia. He looked amazing some weeks out. Lots of guys do. Makes us wonder what they do wrong.

What are you talking about? Dorian was a master at peaking. Sure, some outings may have been
a bit worse than others but he was ALWAYS in shape, always hard and grainy. Dorian did nothing wrong.

[Van_Bilderass]

one negma a day is impossible. A friend of mine got insane nose bleeding after 3 week at 3 amp. And he was 275lbs.

Hardly impossible. I agree that most guys didn't used to use that much but taking lots of Para
is hardly "impossible". Shit, when Finaject (tren ace) was less popular in the early 90s for example
there were stories of lots of guys "pissing blood" after 3 weeks on 3 shots (maybe 200mg/week) per week.

I recently got nosebleeds after taking 2 or 3 tabs of Anapolon (a day or two after starting), never happens except on drol. Doesn't mean I can't take 4 or 5 tabs a day without much worse sides.

[visualizeperfection]

Hardly impossible. I agree that most guys didn't used to use that much but taking lots of Para
is hardly "impossible". Shit, when Finaject (tren ace) was less popular in the early 90s for example
there were stories of lots of guys "pissing blood" after 3 weeks on 3 shots (maybe 200mg/week) per week.

I recently got nosebleeds after taking 2 or 3 tabs of Anapolon (a day or two after starting), never happens except on drol. Doesn't mean I can't take 4 or 5 tabs a day without much worse sides.

Aren't you a mangled up mess of torn body parts and ground beef-esque musculature?

[Van_Bilderass]

Aren't you a mangled up mess of torn body parts and ground beef-esque musculature?

Yes. Point being?

I'm not a proponent of abuse and high doses. Just saying it's possible to use a lot. I'm not buying this shit about Negma Para being superior to anything available today. There is no logical explanation for this being the case.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Maybe to what he told you, but he's gives different doses in other interviews. Other posters here have also claimed to have heard him give varying information.
I watched one interview in which he claimed his pre-Olympia cycle was less than what the current female bikini competitors use.

This isn't accurate. He's never really said what he's taken anywhere that I know of up until this point. There was his supposed cycle floating around but he's always acknowledged he took steroids but never went into details . If you have anything that contradicts that feel free to share it.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Are you aware that this says far more about you than about them.

What an embarrassment you must be to yourself and the reason why you constantly seek to bolster yourself up with your pitiful self-aggrandizing.

Great post. 

[visualizeperfection]

Yes. Point being?

I'm not a proponent of abuse and high doses. Just saying it's possible to use a lot. I'm not buying this shit about Negma Para being superior to anything available today. There is no logical explanation for this being the case.

My point is that you are reckless. And any advise you give needs to be prefaced with "I have fucked myself up".

[SuperTed]

This isn't accurate. He's never really said what he's taken anywhere that I know of up until this point. There was his supposed cycle floating around but he's always acknowledged he took steroids but never went into details . If you have anything that contradicts that feel free to share it.

He mentions drugs at 12:50 on the link below: