Author Topic: The lowdown on drugs from Shawn Ray, Dorian and Levrone (Read 39047 times)

geeizback · « **Reply #25 on:** July 03, 2015, 03:22:20 AM »

the bit that really doesn't add up re dorian is this

he says he only added a bit of gear when needed and didn't up the doses. but with high when he didn't get the desired response he doubled the dose. so his philosophy with high was different to gear. I don't buy it.

he also used to knock round with borresen and kerry Kayes. Kerry once told me on the phone his beginners cycle

3 ml of just for 6 weeks
then 4ml of primo for weeks 7 through 10

with 50mg dbol a day.

so according to dorian, kerry was telling beginners to do dorian levels? it doesn't add up.

also he then admits doing 2.5g a week.

PB used to recommend 1ml of test a day and 50-100mg of orals a day as a minimum.

mentzer had it right when he said the ones who say they take the least are the ones who take the most.

SuperTed · « **Reply #26 on:** July 03, 2015, 03:33:20 AM »

Always amusing to hear this BS. It's funny how their cycles always seem to change during different interviews. They lie so much they can't even keep their lies consistent.

Bevo · « **Reply #27 on:** July 03, 2015, 03:44:29 AM »

Quote from: Coach is Back! on July 02, 2015, 08:13:21 PM

I don't think he was much more than 230 in the off season. IMO this article is legit. The key factors in here are real vs. fake. They were dead on with the potency between the two.

Of all people coach u actually believe these guys are telling the truth?? After all they are pro bbers haha

Bevo · « **Reply #28 on:** July 03, 2015, 03:48:05 AM »

Quote from: Parker on July 02, 2015, 05:32:33 PM

Seems like he has kept that stand. He must have really hate that aspect of it. Which may be another reason why he didn't blow up to 230+ onstage.

No it's cause Shawn can't hold his condition unlike Dexter at higher body weights. Another reason why he competed at 210 at his best; anything over he didn't look good, he's just saying that as an excuse

jon cole · « **Reply #29 on:** July 03, 2015, 03:57:45 AM »

The only thing i trust is about french parabolan. Few guy at my old gym in France used them in the mid 90's. They can't support more than 3 amp a week.

Parker · « **Reply #30 on:** July 03, 2015, 05:04:15 AM »

Quote from: Coach is Back! on July 02, 2015, 08:13:21 PM

I don't think he was much more than 230 in the off season. IMO this article is legit. The key factors in here are real vs. fake. They were dead on with the potency between the two.

He was about 240-245 in 98.

Quote from: Bevo on July 03, 2015, 03:48:05 AM

No it's cause Shawn can't hold his condition unlike Dexter at higher body weights. Another reason why he competed at 210 at his best; anything over he didn't look good, he's just saying that as an excuse

True, but he had competed for yrs at 205, maybe he was so used to doing it that way. Instead of incrementally gaining weight each yr.

The Grim Lifter · « **Reply #31 on:** July 03, 2015, 06:27:21 AM »

I found it was better on 750mg of test a week than over 1500mg. Blood pressure felt high enough at 750.

falco · « **Reply #32 on:** July 03, 2015, 08:02:38 AM »

I believe them.
I have seen guys on laughable low amounts getting astonishing results and others on grams looking like a bag of smashed youknowhat.
Plus i did used legit pharmaceutical steroids and underground ones, and the underdosing/potency/effect was very different.
Nobody wants to admit that their own genetics is bad for bodybuilding, everyone blames it on the amount of drugs used. Pride is a motherfu###er.

njflex · « **Reply #33 on:** July 03, 2015, 08:07:22 AM »

Quote from: falco on July 03, 2015, 08:02:38 AM

I believe them.
I have seen guys on laughable low amounts getting astonishing results and others on grams looking like a bag of smashed youknowhat.
Plus i did used legit pharmaceutical steroids and underground ones, and the underdosing/potency/effect was very different.
Nobody wants to admit that their own genetics is bad for bodybuilding, everyone blames it on the amount of drugs used. Pride is a motherfu###er.

for arguments sake,lets say dorian's 1500/2500 then was/is equivalent due to blend/potency as todays 3-5 grams or more,,in the end its the same 'large amounts'other than some of the builds sucking due to it today...gh excluded just anabolics'doses'

jon cole · « **Reply #34 on:** July 03, 2015, 08:16:12 AM »

Quote from: falco on July 03, 2015, 08:02:38 AM

I believe them.
I have seen guys on laughable low amounts getting astonishing results and others on grams looking like a bag of smashed youknowhat.
Plus i did used legit pharmaceutical steroids and underground ones, and the underdosing/potency/effect was very different.
Nobody wants to admit that their own genetics is bad for bodybuilding, everyone blames it on the amount of drugs used. Pride is a motherfu###er.

My first cycle was legit sust direct from deutch pharmacy, in original box, just produced 2 month before i bought them. The most powerful stuff i've ever used, even original paki sust are not comparable to them. So i believe that 750 test, 400 deca and 100mg of adrol, legit from pharmacie worth 1500/1000/200 of ug, and it's not even comparable.

falco · « **Reply #35 on:** July 03, 2015, 08:41:32 AM »

Both honest assumptions.

SuperTed · « **Reply #36 on:** July 03, 2015, 08:45:18 AM »

Quote from: falco on July 03, 2015, 08:02:38 AM

I believe them.
I have seen guys on laughable low amounts getting astonishing results and others on grams looking like a bag of smashed youknowhat.
Plus i did used legit pharmaceutical steroids and underground ones, and the underdosing/potency/effect was very different.
Nobody wants to admit that their own genetics is bad for bodybuilding, everyone blames it on the amount of drugs used. Pride is a motherfu###er.

You believe them even though in other interviews they've given different information?

mr.turbo · « **Reply #37 on:** July 03, 2015, 10:15:52 AM »

I'm inclined to believe dorian who seems to be a fellow that tells the truth.

I also believe the drugs were 10x as strong then.

Cleanest Natural · « **Reply #38 on:** July 03, 2015, 10:37:32 AM »

It is hillarious. Wonder if they were able to keep a straight face

Dorian winning in 93 with half of what I take and Kevin taking 3 ius of insulin a day hahHhHAAAAAA

Dorian was around 36ius daily

bigmc · « **Reply #39 on:** July 03, 2015, 10:40:23 AM »

dorian s the first mega dose bb

he isn't going to admit that in an interview

he is being responsible

idiots would copy his stack ion the belief they would look like him

The Scott · « **Reply #40 on:** July 03, 2015, 11:02:04 AM »

These guys understand that if the truth were known outside the maze of their minds we would laugh all the more heartily at their "accomplishments".

It is a truth that the less gifted you are (listening Phildo?) the more inclined you are to fall upon the needle. Later in life you find out that needle was a sword. Just ask Coleman. He's impaled himself so much in his lifetime it's amazing he has a lifetime.

Disgusted · « **Reply #41 on:** July 03, 2015, 12:13:59 PM »

Have any of you ever stood next to any of those guys at there biggest? I agree that human grade is best but no way they used those doses.

Wiggs · « **Reply #42 on:** July 03, 2015, 01:05:32 PM »

Quote from: Disgusted on July 03, 2015, 12:13:59 PM

Have any of you ever stood next to any of those guys at there biggest? I agree that human grade is best but no way they used those doses.

Yep, that's why I'm saying no way. I've been to every Mr. O expo since 1999 except 2 or 3 and have seen Ronnie, Marcus, Nasser, Kai, Jean-Pierre and others. Dorian is lying. I remember Craig Titus himself talking about guys taking 2-3 grams. of test alone. Deny, Deny, Deny.

The Scott · « **Reply #43 on:** July 03, 2015, 04:11:06 PM »

Quote from: Wiggs on July 03, 2015, 01:05:32 PM

Yep, that's why I'm saying no way. I've been to every Mr. O expo since 1999 except 2 or 3 and have seen Ronnie, Marcus, Nasser, Kai, Jean-Pierre and others. Dorian is lying. I remember Craig Titus himself talking about guys taking 2-3 grams. of test alone. Deny, Deny, Deny.

And yet you expect others to believe in Nibiru, in Africans sold to slavers by other Africans and then sent to America being some lost tribe of Jews and yet having (unless enslaved) the work ethic so often displayed by modern bodybuilders, i.e., none, in the end of the world via a Mayan calendar and not least of all in your completing Nursing school.

Denny's, Denny's, Denny's.

That last one is a play one your closing statement quoted above.

illuminati · « **Reply #44 on:** July 03, 2015, 05:02:17 PM »

If they are lying or not what Real Difference does it make to us.
At the least they acknowledge they have used P.E.D's.
And Reasonable amount, Not claiming they were Natural.

As Shaun said Would we look just like one of them if we took the same drugs & amounts
That each took. I very much doubt we would.
As they all had Differing Physiques.
Also Would I want to know their bedroom habits..No definately Not.

I Agree with what Dorian said Regarding the use of Parabolan & Trenbolone.
I was using The Real Parabolan back then along with a former MrBritain &
MrUniverse winner who trained in my gym & 2x1.5ml 76mg shots a week is all
We could handle. We tried 3 shots but after 2/3 wk had to return to the 2 shots.
And Dorian has stated the same thing many times Publicly & Privately.
How on earth it is now possible for your average gym rat to take 1000mg or
More on a regular basis. Can only be in the difference of Quality and or quantity
Of the Trenbolone Available Now.

At least they are prepared to talk of some drug usage unlike the complete hypocrisy
& denial of virtually every other athlete / sports person involved in other sports
Who continually claim to be drug free, and are most definitely Not.

Disgusted · « **Reply #45 on:** July 03, 2015, 05:42:05 PM »

Quote from: illuminati on July 03, 2015, 05:02:17 PM

If they are lying or not what Real Difference does it make to us.
At the least they acknowledge they have used P.E.D's.
And Reasonable amount, Not claiming they were Natural.

As Shaun said Would we look just like one of them if we took the same drugs & amounts
That each took. I very much doubt we would.
As they all had Differing Physiques.
Also Would I want to know their bedroom habits..No definately Not.

I Agree with what Dorian said Regarding the use of Parabolan & Trenbolone.
I was using The Real Parabolan back then along with a former MrBritain &
MrUniverse winner who trained in my gym & 2x1.5ml 76mg shots a week is all
We could handle. We tried 3 shots but after 2/3 wk had to return to the 2 shots.
And Dorian has stated the same thing many times Publicly & Privately.
How on earth it is now possible for your average gym rat to take 1000mg or
More on a regular basis. Can only be in the difference of Quality and or quantity
Of the Trenbolone Available Now.

At least they are prepared to talk of some drug usage unlike the complete hypocrisy
& denial of virtually every other athlete / sports person involved in other sports
Who continually claim to be drug free, and are most definitely Not.

One Negma per week ( I know pussy) and one Anadrol (Syntex round tin bottle) daily was probably the strongest I ever was. Remember doing seated DB presses with 120# for 10.

The Abdominal Snoman · « **Reply #46 on:** July 03, 2015, 05:45:47 PM »

Quote from: Mawse on July 02, 2015, 09:39:46 PM

I'd rather they just denied using than this tired bullshit

give yates another decade and he might be close to admitting the truth, at least we've gone from '750mg test and some var' to admitting he took 2.5g 'at times' ie twice a week

blows my fucking mind how some people actually believe these guys were on men's physique doses to be almost as big as Ronnie onstage

and fucking LOL at the tired, retarded broscience that the gear 'back in the day' was somehow 10 x as strong as todays. Most Chinese product is 90% pure at absolute worst, and most UGs will gyp their customers a few 10's of mg at most.

Chinese powder test E at the same dose raises my blood levels to exactly the same numbers as my Magic TRT HG scrip

This^^^

The Abdominal Snoman · « **Reply #47 on:** July 03, 2015, 05:48:15 PM »

Haney was using almost 3 grams a week and when he heard that Dorian was using 5 to cruise and 7 to 10 4 months out leading up to the big show, that's when Haney tapped out at the young age of 31/32...

illuminati · « **Reply #48 on:** July 03, 2015, 05:55:02 PM »

Quote from: Disgusted on July 03, 2015, 05:42:05 PM

One Negma per week ( I know pussy) and one Anadrol (Syntex round tin bottle) daily was probably the strongest I ever was. Remember doing seated DB presses with 120# for 10.

Not pussy.
Training hard, Pushing yourself Plus 100% Pharmaceutical Grade Gear.

Like wise, if I mentioned my lbs lifted, bodyweight, drugs taken Most would
Claim I was lying about lbs lifted/ bodyweight / drugs used... Or likely all.

Kim Jong Bob · « **Reply #49 on:** July 03, 2015, 06:20:38 PM »

Sean rey behaves like a south korean in that article