The lowdown on drugs from Shawn Ray, Dorian and Levrone

[Overload]

Parabolan negma was a pharmacy grade stuff. My nose-bleeding-275lbs friend say that tren form ug lab is crap compared to good'ol negma.

It's a shame only 1% of the population can even get their hands on this.

That's why there are UGL's.

I've used loads of Tren and from what i can tell, most UGL's make Tren spot on.

Tren is used in very high doses in professional bodybuilding.  The doses mentioned in this thread are a joke compared to what people really use.

[Mawse]

It's a shame only 1% of the population can even get their hands on this.

That's why there are UGL's.

I've used loads of Tren and from what i can tell, most UGL's make Tren spot on.

Tren is used in very high doses in professional bodybuilding.  The doses mentioned in this thread are a joke compared to what people really use.

And until recently you could get USDA certified tren from pellets so it wasn't like it was fake.

[OlympiaGym]

SR comes across as a sanctimonious a-hole. Hard to believe he doesn't post on GB. Who says things like "I am Shawn Ray Productions"? And "I just never wanted it to be part of my economy as an athlete" - WTF does that mean? Also, I wonder if John Brown appreciates Ray's insinuation that he was his drug guru.

DY comes across as the most honest and down to earth even if u don't buy his claimed dosages.

[Parker]

SR comes across as a sanctimonious a-hole. Hard to believe he doesn't post on GB. Who says things like "I am Shawn Ray Productions"? And "I just never wanted it to be part of my economy as an athlete" - WTF does that mean? Also, I wonder if John Brown appreciates Ray's insinuation that he was his drug guru.

DY comes across as the most honest and down to earth even if u don't buy his claimed dosages.

Shawn Ray used to post on Getbig.

[pellius]

Look at it this way: Say, you are Keven Levrone, a gifted bber, and he was able to get to Olympia class level on his two grams of gear. He's one of the top bodybuilders in the world but he keeps losing year after year to Coleman. First of all, this claim that you don't care what your competition is doing is just a lie. I mean, how stupid do they think we are? Kevin keeps losing to Ronnie you don't think he wants to know what he is doing?

But more to the issue at hand regarding drug dosages: you don't think a top level bodybuilder, someone just a cunt hair away from being number one is going to start pushing the envelope? That if two grams isn't doing it he's just going to stick to that? I mean, he can eat only so much, sleep only so much, train only so much. You don't think he's maxed those factors out at that level? What else is left? He's just going to stick to two grams even though he loses year after year after year.

[Bevo]

Look at it this way: Say, you are Keven Levrone, a gifted bber, and he was able to get to Olympia class level on his two grams of gear. He's one of the top bodybuilders in the world but he keeps losing year after year to Coleman. First of all, this claim that you don't care what your competition is doing is just a lie. I mean, how stupid do they think we are? Kevin keeps losing to Ronnie you don't think he wants to know what he is doing?

But more to the issue at hand regarding drug dosages: you don't think a top level bodybuilder, someone just a girl hair away from being number one is going to start pushing the envelope? That if two grams isn't doing it he's just going to stick to that? I mean, he can eat only so much, sleep only so much, train only so much. You don't think he's maxed those factors out at that level? What else is left? He's just going to stick to two grams even though he loses year after year after year.

That plus it was flex wheeler that told Ronnie the secrets on how win and place well in shows. It was up the dosage and add this with this 

Ronnie admitted to that

[pellius]

That plus it was flex wheeler that told Ronnie the secrets on how win and place well in shows. It was up the dosage and add this with this  

Ronnie admitted to that

I believe it because even at the advance NPC level or beginning pro many of them are still unaware of what goes on at the elite level. Even though we've had a falling out I give gh15 credit for things opening up more and exposing how much  lying goes on in the sport.

[pellius]

A fella on another board who turned out is an IFBB pro has a lot of credibility with me. He just posted for years as a regular member but he soon became evident that he was more advance and knowledgeable than most. Again  we didn't know he was a pro and he never made that claim. Sometime within the last year members of the board requested for him to start his own thread where people could ask him questions. It came out that someone that knew him leaked that he was a pro and he admitted to it. Remember, he never came on the board posing as a pro.

Anyway, you can never be 100% sure but he speaks with a candid honesty that gives him credibility. He relates his experiences coming up through the ranks and the lies he was told. Only after he became friends with Kai Green that he learned the truth about a lot of what was going on at that level. He attributes to Kai Greene much of his success in turning pro and not giving up on his ambitions and dreams.

[Disgusted]

Quite a few times you will see someone turn pro then explode to another level of size. 

[pellius]

Quite a few times you will see someone turn pro then explode to another level of size. 

Yup. That's when you can afford that 15ius of gh.

[Bevo]

Quite a few times you will see someone turn pro then explode to another level of size. 

Like Shawn used to say "things that make u go hmmmm"

[Disgusted]

Yup. That's when you can afford that 15ius of gh.

I've got friends who have done 20 and one who did 30 for short period of time and quit because of bone pain.

[pellius]

I've got friends who have done 20 and one who did 30 for short period of time and quit because of bone pain.

I picked 15 ius because gh15 said that is where it STARTS at the pro level.

[Simple Simon]

I picked 15 ius because gh15 said that is where it STARTS at the pro level.

all that money and for what?

A huge distended gut wheh they retire.

[pellius]

all that money and for what?

A huge distended gut wheh they retire.

You don't seem to understand the mind of a champion.  No one goes into professional bodybuilding because of it's wide spread aesthetic appeal. They want to be number one in the world. I addition they are afforded a lifestyle that they can never get else where. To be able to train, eat and sleep all day and get paid more then they would if they worked a regular job where they have to punch a clock and be bossed around. Jay would have been a prison guard training at the gym in his off time. Ronnie would have just stayed a cop living only on his police pension. They are both millionaires and legends in the bodybuilding community. A community that matters to them.

[Simple Simon]

You don't seem to understand the mind of a champion.  No one goes into professional bodybuilding because of it's wide spread aesthetic appeal. They want to be number one in the world. I addition they are afforded a lifestyle that they can never get else where. To be able to train, eat and sleep all day and get paid more then they would if they worked a regular job where they have to punch a clock and be bossed around. Jay would have been a prison guard training at the gym in his off time. Ronnie would have just stayed a cop living only on his police pension. They are both millionaires and legends in the bodybuilding community. A community that matters to them.

I do, its called mental illness.

[pellius]

I do, its called mental illness.

There is some truth to that.

[gib]

You are making logical sense here, but as one who used the last of the French parabalon and then used supposed decent tren from British Dragon (10-12 years ago), then tren from other UGLs a few years ago (not as good as BD used to be) there is no comparison with the original stuff.

Which means it is all underdosed.  You would go mental taking 2-3 parabalon a week, now I know of shitty looking gym rats taking 1gm a week and my mind boggles.

I see it all the time though - people get more of a kick from 1 testovis (100mg test prop) than they do from 300mg of ugl test prop.

UGL steroids are a mug's game now IMHO. And the pros have no clue what they are taking, when I hear about super secret sources of the pros I piss myself laughing.  They get the same shit from the same dealers as the rest of the gym world.

The best route if in N.America is to get a script from a friendly doc and find an even friendlier compounding pharmacist. I've seen wonders happen on one cap of 20mgs anavar, 10mgs turinabol and 5mgs winstrol daily (from a pharmacist).

Lol at getting a scrip for Turanibol. Not possible in America my friend.

[OlympiaGym]

According to GB, Bostin Lloyd exaggerates his doses &/or uses low-quality gear. On the other hand, these guys underestimate their doses and exaggerate the quality of the gear they used. That means everybody is a liar & only the experts on GB know the truth.

[The Wizard of Truth]

I do, its called mental illness.

You're one bitter annoying bastard

[The Grim Lifter]

According to GB, Bostin Lloyd exaggerates his doses &/or uses low-quality gear. On the other hand, these guys underestimate their doses and exaggerate the quality of the gear they used. That means everybody is a liar & only the experts on GB know the truth.

No i totally believe Boston is using what he says. It just proves drugs isn't everything. He also fucks himself around being stupid with dumb shots etc.

[Parker]

Look at it this way: Say, you are Keven Levrone, a gifted bber, and he was able to get to Olympia class level on his two grams of gear. He's one of the top bodybuilders in the world but he keeps losing year after year to Coleman. First of all, this claim that you don't care what your competition is doing is just a lie. I mean, how stupid do they think we are? Kevin keeps losing to Ronnie you don't think he wants to know what he is doing?

But more to the issue at hand regarding drug dosages: you don't think a top level bodybuilder, someone just a girl hair away from being number one is going to start pushing the envelope? That if two grams isn't doing it he's just going to stick to that? I mean, he can eat only so much, sleep only so much, train only so much. You don't think he's maxed those factors out at that level? What else is left? He's just going to stick to two grams even though he loses year after year after year.

This was posted before

[Parker]

Quite a few times you will see someone turn pro then explode to another level of size. 

And then looking worse for it.

[Simple Simon]

You're one bitter annoying bastard

Then my work here is complete.

[njflex]

Quite a few times you will see someone turn pro then explode to another level of size. 

case in point david henry ,,small middleweight turned pro and top of 202/212's within year or 2 after going pro.