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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11714655/Greek-banks-down-to-500m-in-cash-reserves-as-economy-crashes.html

The daily allowance of cash from many ATM machines has already dropped from €60 to €50, purportedly because €20 notes are running out

Greece is sliding into a full-blown national crisis as the final cash reserves of the banking system evaporate by the hour and swathes of industry start to shut down, precipitating the near disintegration of the ruling coalition.
Business leaders have been locked in talks with the Bank of Greece, pleading for the immediate release of emergency liquidity funds (ELA) to cover food imports and pharmaceutical goods before the tourist sector hits a brick wall.
Officials say the central bank will release the funds as soon as Friday, but this is a stop-gap measure at best. "We are on a war footing in this country," said Yanis Varoufakis, the Greek finance minister.

The daily allowance of cash from many ATM machines has already dropped from €60 to €50, purportedly because €20 notes are running out. Large numbers are empty. The financial contagion is spreading fast as petrol stations and small businesses stop accepting credit cards.

Constantine Michalos, head of the Hellenic Chambers of Commerce, said lenders are simply running out of money. "We are reliably informed that the cash reserves of the banks are down to €500m. Anybody who thinks they are going to open again on Tuesday is day-dreaming. The cash would not last an hour," he said.
"We are in an extremely dangerous situation. Greek companies have been excluded from the electronic transfers of Europe's Target2 system. The entire Greek business community is unable to import anything, and without raw materials they can't produce anything," he said.

Pavlos Deas, owner of an olive processing factory in Chalkidiki, told The Telegraph that he may have to shut down a plant employing 250 people within days.
"We can't send any money abroad to our suppliers. Three of our containers have been stopped at customs control because the banks can't give a bill of landing. One is full of Spanish almonds, the others full of Chinese garlic," he said.
"We don't know how we are going to execute and export an order of 60 containers for the US. We don't even have enough gas. We asked for 10,000 litres but they are only letting us have 2,000. It's being rationed by the day. Factories are closing around us in a domino effect and we're all going to lose everything if this goes on," he said.
The fast-moving events come amid signs of deep dissension within the coalition over the wisdom of the country's referendum this Sunday. The vote was originally intended to secure a stronger negotiating mandate for a showdown with Europe's creditor powers, but it is rapidly turning into an "in-or-out" decision on euro membership and the survival of the Syriza government.
Four members of the nationalist Independent Greeks party (Anel) - the junior partners - said they would break ranks and vote "Yes" to creditor demands - though no offer is now on the table - admitting that they were aghast by the closure of the banking system and the drastic events of recent days.
The party's hardline chief and defence minister, Panos Kammenos, dismissed them contemptuously. "We are at war and there will be no backing down. Whoever does not have the stomach for war, be gone," he said.

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Mr Varoufakis vowed to resign if the Greek people voted yes. "I prefer to cut off my own arm rather than sign an agreement without debt restructuring," he told Bloomberg TV.
He said there is not a "smidgeon of an iota of possibility" that the terms on offer can lift the Greek economy out of a deflationary tailspin, insisting that the talks broke down because the creditors refused to face up to the fact that Greece's debt is unpayable.
The International Monetary Fund has tacitly endorsed his claims, admitting that the country needs large-scale debt relief and €50bn of fresh funds over the next three years to give the economy time to recover.
Mr Varoufakis said acceptance of the creditors's proposals would merely mean another bruising fight in a few months' time and a permanent cycle of hostility.
The mood within the Syriza movement is increasingly bitter and polarized. One MP appeared to have lost confidence in the party leadership. "We have had months of childish tactics. They thought they could blackmail Europe into making concessions instead of going to the root of the problem facing this country and accepting that we have to break free altogether. They don't know what they are doing," he told The Telegraph.
Private citizens have requested an injunction from Greece's top court to halt the referendum, claiming it is unconstitutional. Yiorgos Kaminis, the mayor of Athens, said the vote on a creditor package that no longer even exists - and with a question that nobody understands - reduces the country to ridicule.

"We are facing a national catastrophe, it is so self-evident. If Greece votes 'no' we will be obliged to go back to the drachma immediately, and sooner of later we may be forced to leave the EU as well. I don't want my children to be part of North Africa," he said.
The mayor said the whole structure of the Greek state was falling apart as the political crisis grinds on into its sixth month. "Nobody is paying any taxes any longer. The state has no money. We're facing a disaster," he said.
Mr Kaminis, a law professor and an independent politician, is widely-deemed more credible than politicians from the establishment parties and has emerged as the preferred figurehead of the "yes" movement.
Yet he admitted having "no contact" so far with the other groups in favour of a deal, a power structure known as the "inner Troika" in the demonology of the Greek Left. It is a sign of how fractured the "yes" camp still is with just two days left to put out their message, and polls showing the vote too close to call.
"We have to explain in a very determined way what is at stake. People seem to think that it was the EU that closed our banks," he said.

Mr Michalos, from the Hellenic Chambers, said a five-man committee at the Greek treasury is rationing foreign funds for companies on a top priority basis but it is entirely overwhelmed. "They can't possibly deal with thousands of requests," he said. The net effect is total paralysis.
His own two companies are still hanging on but the danger is mounting. One produces latex for kitchen gloves and the teats on baby bottles. "If I can't import gum from Malaysia I am going to have a serious problem. I have four weeks' inventory," he said.
His other company imports meat for supermarkets and restaurants. That is in dire straits already.
"I can't import anything. Restaurants are starting to close down because they can't obtain food and we are going straight into the peak tourist season. It is going to be utterly horrendous if this goes on," he said.

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« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2015, 06:52:33 PM »
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/imf-warns-of-huge-financial-hole-as-greek-vote-looms/ar-AAcu5ds

The International Monetary Fund delivered a stark warning on Thursday of the huge financial hole facing Greece as angry and uncertain voters prepare for a referendum that could decide their country's future in Europe.
Days after Greece defaulted on part of its IMF debt, the Fund, part of the lenders' "troika" behind successive international bailouts, said Greece needed an extra 50 billion euros over the next three years, including 36 billion from its European partners, to stay afloat. It also needed significant debt relief.

The assessment, in a preliminary draft of the Fund's latest debt sustainability report, underlines the scale of the problems facing Athens, whatever the result of Sunday's referendum on the bailout offered by creditors last month.

Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras' rejection of what he terms the "blackmail" of EU and IMF creditors demanding spending cuts and tax hikes has so angered Greece's partners that there is no hope of reconciliation before Sunday.

With banks closed for a fourth day and capital controls in place, the future of the left-wing government hangs on the result, given the angry mood of voters in Greece, torn between resentment of the lenders and scorn for their own politicians.

"People have lost it completely. And it's all the fault, one hundred percent, of all the politicians. They are to blame for the situation we are in now," said pensioner Thanos Stamou.

On Sunday it will fall to the Greek people to decide an issue that their government was unable to settle in months of acrimonious negotiations with their European partners.


CONSEQUENCES OF A 'NO'

"We are asking them to vote with their eyes open and think hard about all the consequences of a 'No' vote, which could lead Greece to leave the euro zone," French Prime Minister Manuel Valls said on the sidelines of an economic summit in Lyon.

The comment reflected the fear of many in the euro zone that a Greek exit would change the nature of a 15-year-old currency union intended to be unbreakable.

For Tsipras, if voters back a bailout plan that he has scorned, his government is likely to fall, leading to new elections by September.

Already, his coalition is crumbling as a succession of deputies from the right-wing Independent Greeks, his junior partners, have backed the 'Yes' vote.

Tsipras and his finance minister, Yanis Varoufakis, remain convinced Athens can negotiate better terms, including debt relief, if voters reject the conditions on offer. But both have signalled they will quit if voters choose the bailout.

"I want to believe that these problems won't last long," Tsipras said on Thursday of the bank closures. "The banks will open when there is a deal," he said in a television interview, predicting it would come within 48 hours of the referendum.

The only full survey to be released since the referendum was announced showed the "No" vote ahead, but falling sharply after the announcement that banks would be shut.

DEEP SHOCK

For Greeks, the sight of closed banks and long lines of pensioners queuing for cash has been a deep shock and a reminder of the potential cost of being shut out of the euro, the symbol of Greece's membership of modern Europe.

Highlighting the surreal choice facing Greek voters, the lenders' proposal that the ballot is supposedly about is no longer even on the table.

"They send a third proposal and at the same time they ask the people to say their opinion about the proposal that doesn't exist any more. It's crazy. We don't know what to do," said 47-year-old lawyer Nicole Papathanasopoulo.

Tsipras' government came to power in January vowing to protect pensioners, and much of the argument with creditors stemmed from his refusal to accept the pension cuts that they demanded.

With unemployment over 25 percent, and youth unemployment over 50 percent, the plight of pensioners, who may be providing the only source of income for families, is acutely sensitive.

In a bid to reassure voters, State Minister Nikos Pappas, one of Tsipras' closest aides, denied speculation that the government would impose a levy on bank deposits.

BANKS "ALREADY FAILED"

However, the ratings agency Fitch said the four biggest banks had already failed, and would have defaulted if capital controls had not been imposed.

Unless the European Central Bank lifts the ceiling on emergency funding it provides at its next meeting on Monday, there is little prospect that they will reopen soon.

"We might run out of banknotes by Tuesday if people keep taking out 60 euros a day," one senior banker said.

ECB Governing Council member Josef Bonnici said the value of collateral that Greek banks must offer in exchange for emergency funding would depend on the result of the referendum.

The IMF analysis suggested that, even on the most optimistic assumptions, the Greek economy would remain on life support for many years to come, and that Athens would be forced to persuade its European partners to help.

Loans made by Europe "will need to be extended significantly" and Greece would need further concessional financing, it said.

The ratings agency Standard and Poor's said Greece's economy, which has already shrunk 25 percent since 2009, would contract by another 20 percent within four years if it made a distressed exit from the euro.

Konstantinos Nikolopoulos, a 70-year-old former employee of U.S. entertainment group Warner Bros, emerged from his bank empty-handed after being told that benefits from his pension fund were not being paid out.

Even so, he was ready to contemplate a vote that could set his country on a path out of the euro.

"On Sunday, I am slightly confused," he said. "I believe the message should be that the Greek people has to take a decision to settle its debt with a fair compromise; I am leaning more to voting 'No'." (Additional reporting by Toby Sterling in the Hague, Lefteris Papadimas, Lefteris Karagiannopoulos, George Georgiopoulos, Yvonne Bell in Athens; Writing by James Mackenzie; Editing by Kevin Liffey)
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Re: Greek banks down to €500m in cash reserves as economy crashes
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2015, 07:06:48 PM »
GREECE OUT OF CASH BY WEEKEND



Greece is sliding into a full-blown national crisis as the final cash reserves of the banking system evaporate by the hour and swathes of industry start to shut down, precipitating the near disintegration of the ruling coalition.

Business leaders have been locked in talks with the Bank of Greece, pleading for the immediate release of emergency liquidity funds (ELA) to cover food imports and pharmaceutical goods before the tourist sector hits a brick wall.
Officials say the central bank will release the funds as soon as Friday, but this is a stop-gap measure at best. "We are on a war footing in this country," said Yanis Varoufakis, the Greek finance minister.

The daily allowance of cash from many ATM machines has already dropped from €60 to €50, purportedly because €20 notes are running out. Large numbers are empty. The financial contagion is spreading fast as petrol stations and small businesses stop accepting credit cards.

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Re: Greek banks down to €500m in cash reserves as economy crashes
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2015, 07:24:48 PM »
Burn baby, burn.

Europe can't have Greece leave the euro and be even remotely successful or others will follow. Greece will stay, or be utterly destroyed.

Atheno delenda est.

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« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2015, 07:36:16 PM »
Burn baby, burn.

Europe can't have Greece leave the euro and be even remotely successful or others will follow. Greece will stay, or be utterly destroyed.

Atheno delenda est.

You can't kick the can down the road forever. 
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« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2015, 07:41:06 PM »
Burn baby, burn.

Europe can't have Greece leave the euro and be even remotely successful or others will follow. Greece will stay, or be utterly destroyed.

Atheno delenda est.

EU is pushing for regime change or colour revolution scenario only, not for Greece to leave Eurozone. This government is way too disobedient and reichstag in Brussels is not happy about it.

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« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2015, 07:43:37 PM »
You can't kick the can down the road forever. 

America should take note: when the end comes, it really does happen that fast. Credit seizes and the entire economy stops on a dime. No credit cards, no ATMs, no commerce.

Keep some cash handy for those first couple of weeks until people realize that it really is just paper. After that, currency will be silver, gold, food and ammo.

Keep at least 3 weeks of food on hand. It'll get you over the rough spots. If you can, go all LDS and have a year's worth. Then you could seriously bug-in.

Good luck Greece, we're watching and taking notes.

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« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2015, 07:43:56 PM »
EU is pushing for regime change or colour revolution scenario only, not for Greece to leave Eurozone. This government is way too disobedient and reichstag in Brussels is not happy about it.


Of course they are.  They don't want Greece to set a precedent and leave because others will follow.  I'd like Greece to leave but I honestly think the EU will pull the old hucklebuck on Greece and get their way somehow.
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« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2015, 07:45:15 PM »
EU is pushing for regime change or colour revolution scenario only, not for Greece to leave Eurozone. This government is way too disobedient and reichstag in Brussels is not happy about it.

If Greece stays, we'll be back here in 6 months. It'll never end.

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« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2015, 07:46:12 PM »
America should take note: when the end comes, it really does happen that fast. Credit seizes and the entire economy stops on a dime. No credit cards, no ATMs, no commerce.

Keep some cash handy for those first couple of weeks until people realize that it really is just paper. After that, currency will be silver, gold, food and ammo.

Keep at least 3 weeks of food on hand. It'll get you over the rough spots. If you can, go all LDS and have a year's worth. Then you could seriously bug-in.

Good luck Greece, we're watching and taking notes.

LOL.  "Go all LDS". LOL!  Nevada has a huge Mormon population and many of my friends are Mormon.
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« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2015, 07:47:43 PM »
LOL.  "Go all LDS". LOL!  Nevada has a huge Mormon population and many of my friends are Mormon.

They have been preparing for the worst for centuries. They'll be here to pick up the pieces after the fall.

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« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2015, 07:49:25 PM »
If Greece stays, we'll be back here in 6 months. It'll never end.

Yep.  I think it will end, don't know how though. There will be global governance eventually.  Greece isn't going anywhere.
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« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2015, 07:57:21 PM »
America should take note: when the end comes, it really does happen that fast. Credit seizes and the entire economy stops on a dime. No credit cards, no ATMs, no commerce.

Keep some cash handy for those first couple of weeks until people realize that it really is just paper. After that, currency will be silver, gold, food, vagina and ammo.

Keep at least 3 weeks of food on hand. It'll get you over the rough spots. If you can, go all LDS and have a year's worth. Then you could seriously bug-in.

Good luck Greece, we're watching and taking notes.
fixed. And don't forget about the addicts, that is really who you need to look out for.

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« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2015, 08:06:50 PM »
One more thing off my to-do list

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« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2015, 08:12:32 PM »
fixed. And don't forget about the addicts, that is really who you need to look out for.

And anyone on prescription drugs legally.  Can you imagine all the poor bastards on SSRIs and the like going cold turkey?  There are your zombies.   And there's your answer why you'd have to have martial law. You can't not not have it in this situation.  Crackheads, opiate/opiod addicts not getting there fixes.  I'd like to see that movie of all of the above.  :-X :-X :-X
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« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2015, 08:16:57 PM »
You can't kick the can down the road forever. 

tru dat

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Re: Greek banks down to €500m in cash reserves as economy crashes
« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2015, 08:19:43 PM »
The only difference between us and Greece is that Greece just can't indiscriminately print money since it's in the EU...we can:)

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« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2015, 10:46:53 PM »
Feta cheese of peace.  ::)
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Re: Greek banks down to €500m in cash reserves as economy crashes
« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2015, 01:28:57 AM »
heard the whores are cheap now there, i might go visit greece

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« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2015, 02:16:11 AM »
heard the whores are cheap now there, i might go visit greece

Whores are always cheap for you worldwide stud.
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« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2015, 02:17:19 AM »
I' ve said it again: our main problem is that we have to change our behaviour as citizen to our state.

With euro or drachma or dollar, it's gonna be the same here. We gonna pretend that we are clever and we will not pay our taxes or insurance or even a parcking ticket as we are supposed to do!!! How then the State is ging to find money for paying the HUGE amount of public services..?! From loans... and the wheel is going eternally rolling and rolling...

I'm gonna vote a YES this Sunday. Fuck those Left wing dickheads on our Goverment. In  months they destroy everything that was still standing...

I spend money only for chicken, cod and sweatpotatoes... :P

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« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2015, 02:19:51 AM »
I' ve said it again: our main problem is that we have to change our behaviour as citizen to our state.

With euro or drachma or dollar, it's gonna be the same here. We gonna pretend that we are clever and we will not pay our taxes or insurance or even a parcking ticket as we are supposed to do!!! How then the State is ging to find money for paying the HUGE amount of public services..?! From loans... and the wheel is going eternally rolling and rolling...

I'm gonna vote a YES this Sunday. Fuck those Left wing dickheads on our Goverment. In  months they destroy everything that was still standing...

I spend money only for chicken, cod and sweatpotatoes... :P

How's everyone around you holding up mentally?  Are people on edge more than normal?
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« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2015, 02:57:33 AM »
all BS , no empty chairs in greeko cafes  :D euro shares a gone up ,so

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« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2015, 04:19:58 AM »
I' ve said it again: our main problem is that we have to change our behaviour as citizen to our state.

With euro or drachma or dollar, it's gonna be the same here. We gonna pretend that we are clever and we will not pay our taxes or insurance or even a parcking ticket as we are supposed to do!!! How then the State is ging to find money for paying the HUGE amount of public services..?! From loans... and the wheel is going eternally rolling and rolling...

I'm gonna vote a YES this Sunday. Fuck those Left wing dickheads on our Goverment. In  months they destroy everything that was still standing...

I spend money only for chicken, cod and sweatpotatoes... :P

Please don't vote yes. The whole free world is now looking at Greece to again show us the way to the light and not fold under the ECB pressure.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-02/martin-armstrong-troika-maneuvering-rig-greek-referendum

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« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2015, 05:06:28 AM »
How's everyone around you holding up mentally?  Are people on edge more than normal?

This stupid Left wing Goverment divide our society in front of a falsh delema. A brother fights (in words) a brother... a father against a son... they 've done it again at 1944 in our last civil war...

I'm just stay focused on my diet, cardio and training. This is my way to dealing with things...

AJ I respect you a lot my friend, you are for me a highly apriciated member here (NO HOMO), but I will vote YES.

Why? Because everyone in the rest of the world understands, and some people here in Greece, that a YES is a YESS TO EUROPE, but a no is no to Europe...

I prefer to lose 10% percent of my money and be in Euro, rather than have 100.000 drachmas per month meanwhile a can of tuna will cost 1.000 drachmas...

PS. Sorry for my bad English