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Separate but equal.  What really was the issue or problem? 

I think a little discrimination should be Constitutional.  Why is it only considered discriminatory one way, when Separate But Equal applied both ways?   :D

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Re: Anyone have any really good argument against Segregation of yore?
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2015, 07:51:01 PM »
Separate but equal.  What really was the issue or problem? 

I think a little discrimination should be Constitutional.  Why is it only considered discriminatory one way, when Separate But Equal applied both ways?   :D


The facilities of colored individuals were highly inferior to white facilities.  In addition, I enjoy dining in rather than going around back for food that was either taken from the trash or spit in.
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Re: Anyone have any really good argument against Segregation of yore?
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2015, 08:02:53 PM »

The facilities of colored individuals were highly inferior to white facilities.  In addition, I enjoy dining in rather than going around back for food that was either taken from the trash or spit in.
Why though?  Could they not build their own establishments?

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Re: Anyone have any really good argument against Segregation of yore?
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2015, 08:06:03 PM »

The facilities of colored individuals were highly inferior to white facilities.  In addition, I enjoy dining in rather than going around back for food that was either taken from the trash or spit in.
Why bother with white establishments though?  I wouldn`t if I was black during segregation.

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Re: Anyone have any really good argument against Segregation of yore?
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2015, 08:17:39 PM »
Separate but equal.  What really was the issue or problem? 

I think a little discrimination should be Constitutional.  Why is it only considered discriminatory one way, when Separate But Equal applied both ways?   :D

The 1954 decision of Brown vs the Bd of education argued by Thurgood Marshall overturned the previous Plessy vs Ferguson law of Separate but Equal.

The constitution is pretty clear on no discrimination based on race, religion , etc.
The SCOTUS recently used the 14th amendment and gender discrimination to make same sex marriage the law of the land.

Politics and social interaction has a huge effect on how our society will function in addition to laws.

I've often wondered how historically black colleges could still operate now?
I suspect no white student ever challenged any of their policies?

What does bug me is in the world of sports where all white is considered evil and all black is a non issue.
In hockey or swimming, many claim it's social injustice if more blacks aren't competing.
BUT, when the 100m track final is all black, nobody says a word.

In my view, we should all operate under the same basic standards of conduct and respect the laws.

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Re: Anyone have any really good argument against Segregation of yore?
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2015, 08:21:03 PM »
The Nuremberg Race Laws would be even better. A more comprehensive approach to what ails us.

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Re: Anyone have any really good argument against Segregation of yore?
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2015, 08:23:35 PM »
Why bother with white establishments though?  I wouldn`t if I was black during segregation.

your ignorance is amazing....but typical since whites aren't taught the truth about slavery/segregation/Jim Crow

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Re: Anyone have any really good argument against Segregation of yore?
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2015, 08:24:58 PM »
Why bother with white establishments though?  I wouldn`t if I was black during segregation.
The options for blacks were very limited then.
The problem with that , is  it assumes everyone of "your race" ( black or white) is good and everyone else is evil.
If everyone would just accept a basic code of conduct we'd all be better off.

Sounds cliche' but  I try to judge people based on how they act around me.
I try to avoid any advance bias .

If someone acts like a thug, then they are. If they act classy, then they are.  Pretty simple

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Re: Anyone have any really good argument against Segregation of yore?
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2015, 08:25:31 PM »
your ignorance is amazing....but typical since whites aren't taught the truth about slavery/segregation/Jim Crow

He's not white. His skin color is white but he's not white.

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Re: Anyone have any really good argument against Segregation of yore?
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2015, 08:28:32 PM »
The Nuremberg Race Laws would be even better. A more comprehensive approach to what ails us.

How the Nazis claimed religion  was racial/genetic is beyond me?
Nobody is born a Jew, Muslim or Christian!  It's taught and part of culture NOT genetics.

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Re: Anyone have any really good argument against Segregation of yore?
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2015, 08:34:20 PM »
The 1954 decision of Brown vs the Bd of education argued by Thurgood Marshall overturned the previous Plessy vs Ferguson law of Separate but Equal.

The constitution is pretty clear on no discrimination based on race, religion , etc.
The SCOTUS recently used the 14th amendment and gender discrimination to make same sex marriage the law of the land.

Politics and social interaction has a huge effect on how our society will function in addition to laws.

I've often wondered how historically black colleges could still operate now?
I suspect no white student ever challenged any of their policies?

What does bug me is in the world of sports where all white is considered evil and all black is a non issue.
In hockey or swimming, many claim it's social injustice if more blacks aren't competing.
BUT, when the 100m track final is all black, nobody says a word.

In my view, we should all operate under the same basic standards of conduct and respect the laws.
Segregation was certainly Constitutional at one time.  If you read the case, segregation was more or less tossed by a technicality of sorts. 

Why do you think whites had no issue with it writ large when the same law applied to them as did blacks?

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Re: Anyone have any really good argument against Segregation of yore?
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2015, 08:35:55 PM »
The options for blacks were very limited then.
The problem with that , is  it assumes everyone of "your race" ( black or white) is good and everyone else is evil.
If everyone would just accept a basic code of conduct we'd all be better off.

Sounds cliche' but  I try to judge people based on how they act around me.
I try to avoid any advance bias .

If someone acts like a thug, then they are. If they act classy, then they are.  Pretty simple
Not the case always.  I was talking with an old black woman, she is 82 and she said she had "no problems with segregation and that whites were decent to her and blacks were decent to whites, not like today"- her words.

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Re: Anyone have any really good argument against Segregation of yore?
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2015, 08:36:38 PM »
How the Nazis claimed religion  was racial/genetic is beyond me?
Nobody is born a Jew, Muslim or Christian!  It's taught and part of culture NOT genetics.

It actually is genetic hence why jews are born with certain characteristics and genetic diseases such as Tay-Sachs

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Re: Anyone have any really good argument against Segregation of yore?
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2015, 08:37:50 PM »
Segregation was certainly Constitutional at one time.  If you read the case, segregation was more or less tossed by a technicality of sorts. 

Why do you think whites had no issue with it writ large when the same law applied to them as did blacks?

you can't be serious,..you absolutely must be trolling

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Re: Anyone have any really good argument against Segregation of yore?
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2015, 08:37:52 PM »
The options for blacks were very limited then.
The problem with that , is  it assumes everyone of "your race" ( black or white) is good and everyone else is evil.
If everyone would just accept a basic code of conduct we'd all be better off.

Sounds cliche' but  I try to judge people based on how they act around me.
I try to avoid any advance bias .

If someone acts like a thug, then they are. If they act classy, then they are.  Pretty simple
I agree, but cultural identities are hard things to shake and one culture tends to be overwhelmingly negative, moreso than others in this country.  It shows no signs of going anywhere either.

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Re: Anyone have any really good argument against Segregation of yore?
« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2015, 08:38:40 PM »
you can't be serious,..you absolutely must be trolling
Separate but equal applied to whites the same as it did to blacks.  What was the issue?

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Re: Anyone have any really good argument against Segregation of yore?
« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2015, 08:41:30 PM »
Separate but equal applied to whites the same as it did to blacks.  What was the issue?

If this has to be explained to you then my comment about not being taught the truth about slavery/Jim Crow was accurate

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Re: Anyone have any really good argument against Segregation of yore?
« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2015, 08:42:14 PM »
If this has to be explained to you then my comment about not being taught the truth about slavery/Jim Crow was accurate
Are you saying Separate But Equal did not apply to whites as well as blacks?   ???  ???  ???

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Re: Anyone have any really good argument against Segregation of yore?
« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2015, 08:46:23 PM »
I agree, but cultural identities are hard things to shake and one culture tends to be overwhelmingly negative, moreso than others in this country.  It shows no signs of going anywhere either.

True, that has an even bigger effect in group dynamics.

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Re: Anyone have any really good argument against Segregation of yore?
« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2015, 08:50:21 PM »
If this has to be explained to you then my comment about not being taught the truth about slavery/Jim Crow was accurate
I am failing to see any bad laws listed really, can you please highlight one and tell me why it was bad?  For instance, one Jim Crow law allowed whites and blacks to marry each other.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jim_Crow_law_examples_by_state

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Re: Anyone have any really good argument against Segregation of yore?
« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2015, 08:51:55 PM »
Why though?  Could they not build their own establishments?


They did with their tax dollars for schools.  However the vast majority of the money went to the white schools.  Segregation failed because it was never equal.
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Re: Anyone have any really good argument against Segregation of yore?
« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2015, 08:52:14 PM »
If this has to be explained to you then my comment about not being taught the truth about slavery/Jim Crow was accurate

Here is one Jim Crow Law in Connecticut:
1925: Antidefamation [Statute] Prohibited motion picture theaters from showing any film which ridiculed the Negro race

Now was that a bad one?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jim_Crow_law_examples_by_state

You have no clue about history whatsoever.

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Re: Anyone have any really good argument against Segregation of yore?
« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2015, 08:54:25 PM »

They did with their tax dollars for schools.  However the vast majority of the money went to the white schools.  Segregation failed because it was never equal.
Evidence?

Now the black schools tend to get more and they still continue to perform poorly.  When people talk of "good schools" why are the referring to schools with the population being white majority and not black, even when the black schools get more money these days?   

Good Schools never means black majority schools.  Why?  ???

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Re: Anyone have any really good argument against Segregation of yore?
« Reply #23 on: July 10, 2015, 08:59:56 PM »
White people segregate themselves as long as they have enough money. 

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Re: Anyone have any really good argument against Segregation of yore?
« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2015, 09:00:22 PM »
Watched a recent Internet video of 40 blacks jumping a solitary white man into bloody unconciousness. Must have have been another 50 black men and females looking on and encouraging it.

Imagine if the colors were reversed?? It would be on every channel, shown every 5 minutes.

 Futhermore white people would have stepped in and stopped the beating quickly, especially the white women would have been outraged and horrified. The black woman instead looked on with satisfaction. Reverse racism and hate is so easily accepted today.