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Re: Kempo Machine = Fred Ettish
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2015, 07:46:26 PM »

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Re: Kempo Machine = Fred Ettish
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2015, 08:30:05 PM »
Sad people would ride him down for so many years. He was obviously out of his league in UFC 2 but at least he tried. Very inspirational for him to come back 15 years later.

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Re: Kempo Machine = Fred Ettish
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2015, 08:36:28 PM »
I think you mean his name is really Foot Fetish.

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Re: Kempo Machine = Fred Ettish
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2018, 01:20:41 PM »
http://www.fightersonlymag.com/content/features/14672-Fred-Ettish--One-of-the-most-maligned-fighters-in-MMA-history

The rogue website that Ettish lambastes first appeared in 1995 - with seemingly the sole purpose to humiliate the kempo karate practitioner and everything he stood for.

It dubbed his style "The Fetal Fighting System" referring to Ettish's defence from the down position used against his opponent for some of the match.
Hmmmmm

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Re: Kempo Machine = Fred Ettish
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2018, 04:07:53 PM »
I remember watching him get beat in that UFC match back in '94.

He wasn't the only one who got his azz kicked.

That was the greatest period for the UFC.  No rules except for eye gouging.

It was rough.

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Re: Kempo Machine = Fred Ettish
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2018, 12:40:19 PM »
Yes and watching so many delusional fighters who had no idea what they were getting into.  So many looked shocked after being hit hard for the first time and their magical oriental martial skills disappeared instantly.

The UFC was more exciting to watch back then but they had to create rules to remain legal and gain venues to fight.

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Re: Kempo Machine = Fred Ettish
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2018, 04:20:44 PM »
I think you mean his name is really Foot Fetish.

Only a true internet troll, the kind with over 40k posts to a forum, would kick a man like him after viewing this, though it's of course, a keyboard kick, the kind you're overly familiar with.

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Re: Kempo Machine = Fred Ettish
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2018, 04:59:54 PM »
The beginning of ufc was when people started realizing Brazilian jujitsu was the superior way of fighting. Tank Abbott was a beast too.

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Re: Kempo Machine = Fred Ettish
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2018, 03:10:40 AM »
Grappling in general.  The reason Royce Gracie had such an easy time was the rest of the field had no grappling experience and had no idea what to do when they were taken to the ground.  Total panic!  Remember the fight against Ron van Clief?  It took longer to announce his credentials than for him to tap out.

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Re: Total Creep
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2018, 03:04:08 AM »
WYHI??? :-[

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Re: Total Creep
« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2018, 09:57:39 AM »
So much evolving in martial arts due to the UFC. If I got the history correct Rorian Gracie came to America trying to make it in California. He trained out of someone's garage. He would challenge division I wrestlers who he tapped out quick and his reputation grew. When he created UFC he thought he would use his frailest looking relative his brother Royce in the contest. We all know what happened. During the early UFC there were only three jui jitsu schools in the country. It was California, NY and NJ.  That's around the time I rolled on the mats. Craig Kukuk was the only American black belt in Jui jitsu and he paired up with Renzo Gracie.  

As martial arts evolved it became apparent that in Brazilian jui jitsu at the time wasn't well versed in take downs or strikes. Conventional wrestlers started to dominate with ground and pound after they realized to never give up their back. Then  strikers evolved who were skilled in avoiding the take down. Jui jitsu guys were having a hell of a time fighting someone they couldn't take down or keep down.

Fast forward to now it seems to me that guys trained in conventional wrestling are learning jui jitsu quickly and with a combo of Muay Thai are the most rounded. Moves that worked great in the past in Jui jitsu aren't taught anymore because simple counters are now common. The game keeps evolving.

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Re: Total Creep
« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2018, 11:49:55 AM »


Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

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Re: Kempo Machine = Fred Ettish
« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2018, 01:13:47 PM »
The beginning of ufc was when people started realizing Brazilian jujitsu was the superior way of fighting. Tank Abbott was a beast too.

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Re: Total Creep
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2018, 01:43:59 PM »
So much evolving in martial arts due to the UFC. If I got the history correct Rorian Gracie came to America trying to make it in California. He trained out of someone's garage. He would challenge division I wrestlers who he tapped out quick and his reputation grew. When he created UFC he thought he would use his frailest looking relative his brother Royce in the contest. We all know what happened. During the early UFC there were only three jui jitsu schools in the country. It was California, NY and NJ.  That's around the time I rolled on the mats. Craig Kukuk was the only American black belt in Jui jitsu and he paired up with Renzo Gracie.  

As martial arts evolved it became apparent that in Brazilian jui jitsu at the time wasn't well versed in take downs or strikes. Conventional wrestlers started to dominate with ground and pound after they realized to never give up their back. Then  strikers evolved who were skilled in avoiding the take down. Jui jitsu guys were having a hell of a time fighting someone they couldn't take down or keep down.

Fast forward to now it seems to me that guys trained in conventional wrestling are learning jui jitsu quickly and with a combo of Muay Thai are the most rounded. Moves that worked great in the past in Jui jitsu aren't taught anymore because simple counters are now common. The game keeps evolving.
I think you are right with the history of Rorian and Royce was the weakest of the brothers.  Even the best fighters in the early UFC were very limited compared to today's fighters.