How the hell did I gain so much fat/water in one week?!

[iwannabejacked]

Yes judging from your pics most people would not guess that you are a natural trainer.

Most people are deluded due to fake natties lying all the time in this fucked up industry.

Work on building your chest / pectoral muscles..
It will give the illusion of you been bigger..
How long have you been lifting?

I already work enough on them. Only thing that will make it bigger would be juicing. I've been lifting for almost 3 years.

You're on the wrong site hombre

Where should I go then?

Good every day physique (for a 13 year old girl)...

Just kidding, off to a great start, now start injecting drugs, do some G4P, you'll be all set...

Yup. Just wanna get ripped natty (inb4 anorexic). idk I don't have any contacts and don't know where to look to get some legit hormones.

OP don't worry you have a decent physique for a true natural. It's good enough for summer for pulling the chicks

Most people who are not deep into this crazy industry would say the same. Yes, there are better true natties out there, but not by a landslide.

[ritch]

"only thing that would make me bigger is juicing"

Top notch troll material, funny boy...

Dude... You still look like a beginner, get the fuck outta here with that shit man, dear lord how delusional you are.

[iwannabejacked]

"only thing that would make me bigger is juicing"

Top notch troll material, funny boy...

Dude... You still look like a beginner, get the fuck outta here with that shit man, dear lord how delusional you are.

Yeah, right... Do you even lift and beginner should be replaced for do you even juice. You are the deluded one. If I do a clean bulk for 1 year I might gain 5 lbs of pure, dry muscle at the most (most likely would be coser to 0-1 lb) and my body fat is too high right now to start bulking.
That's just how it is for small framed natties.

[ritch]

Yeah, right... Do you even lift and beginner should be replaced for do you even juice. You are the deluded one. If I do a clean bulk for 1 year I might gain 5 lbs of pure, dry muscle at the most (most likely would be coser to 0-1 lb) and my body fat is too high right now to start bulking.
That's just how it is for small framed natties.

You are your own worst enemy here. Look. The initial gains come fast. AFter, you gotta be real smart and patient as to how you play your cards.

Been at this for 26 years now, what do I know huh?

Having  a small frame is ideal for bb'ing so wrong again about you thinking you're unlucky genetic wise. I don't see any major huge flaws but nothing much muscle wise to really judge. You probably think I'm trying to get to you by saying that but I really think you have no idea what's possible in regards to getting big natural.

Good luck and take your time man, it's not easy and is why nobody looks the fuckin' part these days but that is probably making me sound like an old man, something you want nothing to do with advice wise.

[iwannabejacked]

You are your own worst enemy here. Look. The initial gains come fast. AFter, you gotta be real smart and patient as to how you play your cards.

Been at this for 26 years now, what do I know huh?

Having  a small frame is ideal for bb'ing so wrong again about you thinking you're unlucky genetic wise. I don't see any major huge flaws but nothing much muscle wise to really judge. You probably think I'm trying to get to you by saying that but I really think you have no idea what's possible in regards to getting big natural.

Good luck and take your time man, it's not easy and is why nobody looks the fuckin' part these days but that is probably making me sound like an old man, something you want nothing to do with advice wise.

I already got "big" (read fat) natural. Bulked from 150 to 215 in almost two years, going to the gym on average 4 times a week, hitting every body part at least once a week... so I don't see much more gains coming. I do plan to do one more bulk before juicing (this time I wanna gain less fucking weight, closer to 15-20 lbs), but I don't really expect much.

[visualizeperfection]

Perhaps you should pick up another hobby.


Perhaps you should chop your cock off and throw it into the forest.

[ritch]

I already got "big" (read fat) natural. Bulked from 150 to 215 in almost two years, going to the gym on average 4 times a week, hitting every body part at least once a week... so I don't see much more gains coming. I do plan to do one more bulk before juicing (this time I wanna gain less fucking weight, closer to 15-20 lbs), but I don't really expect much.

The good thing here is you knew when to pull back. 215 is probably heavy for you when seeing your pics. Logically, a middle road approach is what would be best for you. Cutting natty and keeping the mass is no easy task which is why it's not good to get too fat in the first place.

It's summer now, better time to be lean anyway. But I totally get your line of "one more bulking phase, then I juice" I said that to myself for years and years before finally taking the plunge. I waited way too long to start gear but still feel you should wait as you have yet to master nutriton.

Once you master the lifestyle and all that goes with it, then play the "ace card". Playing that card now, no offense, with a "weak hand" will not create the impression or bang from that first cycle you can never get back again.

Do you really wanna be one of those guys who looks average yet takes a lot of juice? This is the path you seem to be on. But I know... Ya wanted to be big and jacked yesterday but that is simply not possible.

Think about this, I mean, really think about this...

[ritch]

Also... Always take comparision pics in the same spot, same light, after the same diet plan, time of digestion (2hrs post meal or so) to give a fair comparision. Ya could have not been holding the pose as hard for all we know. I think you are freaking out over very little here and that very little is causing you to make some very unrational decisions.

[iwannabejacked]

I began taking comparison pics under the same conditions this year... Also, I think nutrition is not that important, even though I would say I eat well most of the time. I wouldn't start with high doses anyways, just 250 mg of test or something like that would probably make a big difference.
I've seen dudes who eat "shitty" and juice and still look good. It's all about not going overboard with calories and carbs.

[visualizeperfection]

I began taking comparison pics under the same conditions this year... Also, I think nutrition is not that important, even though I would say I eat well most of the time. I wouldn't start with high doses anyways, just 250 mg of test or something like that would probably make a big difference.
I've seen dudes who eat "shitty" and juice and still look good. It's all about not going overboard with calories and carbs.

Hahaha.


Go back to school, sport.

[Walter Sobchak]

I began taking comparison pics under the same conditions this year... Also, I think nutrition is not that important, even though I would say I eat well most of the time. I wouldn't start with high does anyways, just 250 mg of test or something like that would probably make a big difference.
I've seen dudes who eat "shitty" and juice and still look good. It's all about not going overboard with calories and carbs.

I think you will make your best gains swallowing steamy hot loads of jism from dudes who are juicing heavy.

Around here we call it the "Shizzo Principle".

[ritch]

Esssh... I'M a victim of using gear lately and not living the lifestyle as I should and let me tell you I've regressed.

Your post here is pure f'in garbage. I will let you live and learn for yourself as I have given enough info and think your decision is made anyways.

You talk like you know how food works yet is the biggest reason why you don't make the gains you seek. Think about that....

[Primemuscle]

P.S. How the hell do I post pics normally not sideways?

I was going to post that your water weight gain was a result of you always being sideways....but then, I thought better to help you out. Judging from how young you look, it might just be baby fat.

Use a photo editing tool to rotate them before you post them. Windows Photo Gallery is one of many programs where you can do this.

[iwannabejacked]

Esssh... I'M a victim of using gear lately and not living the lifestyle as I should and let me tell you I've regressed.

Your post here is pure f'in garbage. I will let you live and learn for yourself as I have given enough info and think your decision is made anyways.

You talk like you know how food works yet is the biggest reason why you don't make the gains you seek. Think about that....

Alright, alright... Assuming what you say is correct, then what would you say is living the lifestyle and eating right for a natty?

I was going to post that your water weight gain was a result of you always being sideways....but then, I thought better to help you out. Judging from how young you look, it might just be baby fat.

Use a photo editing tool to rotate them before you post them. Windows Photo Gallery is one of many programs where you can do this.

The original pictures were not sideways. When I posted them here they turned around lol

[Primemuscle]

I've been lifting for almost 3 years....

That long? Who would have guessed. 

[ritch]

Alright, alright... Assuming what you say is correct, then what would you say is living the lifestyle and eating right for a natty?The original pictures were not sideways. When I posted them here they turned around lol

The lifestyle is doing everything you must do to get your meals in, naps and proper rest. When you do all that properly, there is not much time for other stuff.

As far as cals and stuff. You said something that really has no logic. You said "to just not go overboard with carbs and cals".

Problem is, you don't know what "overboard" is yet. These things are all made my educated guesses (basically what most trainers do, lol....) and tinkering around with different methods to find what works best for you.

This takes time.

Is this making more sense now?

The list of proper foods is not a huge one and has been posted many many times. I strongly suggest you read up come back with potential plans then seek feedback. People who come in asking to be spoon fed get shut down hard by people like myself and very rare do I even give a shit to be giving advice as I am today, lol...

But 3 years is not that long in the gym. How tall are you???

[iwannabejacked]

The lifestyle is doing everything you must do to get your meals in, naps and proper rest. When you do all that properly, there is not much time for other stuff.

As far as cals and stuff. You said something that really has no logic. You said "to just not go overboard with carbs and cals".

Problem is, you don't know what "overboard" is yet. These things are all made my educated guesses (basically what most trainers do, lol....) and tinkering around with different methods to find what works best for you.

This takes time.

Is this making more sense now?

The list of proper foods is not a huge one and has been posted many many times. I strongly suggest you read up come back with potential plans then seek feedback. People who come in asking to be spoon fed get shut down hard by people like myself and very rare do I even give a shit to be giving advice as I am today, lol...

But 3 years is not that long in the gym. How tall are you???

5'10.5"-5'11". I have already done all that you said above.

[ritch]

No you haven't. If yo had, you would not be here today. You THINK you have, but the method was not the right one to have stalled where you are now as you are still in newbie land...

As I said, this takes time!!!

[iwannabejacked]

Well cause I freaked out from being so bloated overnight... I do have anxiety issues and that's why I binged so much. I was having great progress with the diet. I've already bulked a lot, eaten clean, mixed some dirty foods, slept a lot, taken naps, rest days, changed the way I train, stopped wanting to be a powerlifter, etc. I really believe most gains are made during the first 2 years. I talk to natties who seem to be lost (dedicated like myself) and have been stuck for a while now. They are naive and not aware of how fucked up this industry is, full of pathological, gold digger liars lol. Some silly natties still ask me if I use supplements 

I'd say I'm well informed on the strategies and traps that this industry puts in front to you, but I won't fall for it anymore. It's all about hormones. A given amount of test wil produce some gains until you just can't grow no more. I'm not saying it's all drugs or that I will abuse, I'm just saying that no natural will ever be truly impressive. Nutrition is important to stay in good condition. Training is important to avoid injuries and get the most out of the hormones, but that's it.

I admit though, I haven't started researching about sources, so I'm clueless in terms of that. I do know, however, how some hormones work in your body (theorically).

[The Grim Lifter]

You just really gained water you can't gain much fat in a week. When you are ripped every pound you can notice the difference. It's better to be leaner, yeh you might look bigger in clothes heavier but who cares rather be ripped.

Don't bulk. Just stay as lean as you can while gaining slowly. You can probably gain a little more muscle naturally but after that you arn't going anywhere without roids.

[iwannabejacked]

You just really gained water you can't gain much fat in a week. When you are ripped every pound you can notice the difference. It's better to be leaner, yeh you might look bigger in clothes heavier but who cares rather be ripped.

Don't bulk. Just stay as lean as you can while gaining slowly. You can probably gain a little more muscle naturally but after that you arn't going anywhere without roids.

Finally an honest person  Yeah, I won't bulk cause I look soft right now. Being lean makes everything look better, regardless of "size".

[The Grim Lifter]

Finally an honest person 

You know your stuff. I trained 4 years naturally. Even knowing more about what i was doing in the second year i still gained more in the first. The third year was a push but i did improve lifts and more size. After that nothing happened and i was stupid and overate trying to push gains. I juiced for 4 years but got over juicing and didn't want to compete anymore.

The quality does take years though i've been training almost 20 and now in mid thirties i look my best. Just deeper cuts all over and quality everywhere.

I would stay as lean as you can and just keep training. You are never going to be super lean every day but if you can hold it within a few pounds that's good. If you want to juice up to you. Doing even 4-5 cycles will make a difference even if you clean out after that you will have far more muscle than before. Look at John Hanson for example despite him saying differently he would never have that much muscle without juicing.

[ritch]

Finally an honest person  Yeah, I won't bulk cause I look soft right now. Being lean makes everything look better, regardless of "size".

Well no fuckiN' shit it was water, fuck man, did I really have to say that???

Look man, you ain't gonna stay ripped while being natty and gain 20lbs. Forget about it.

[ritch]

and yes most the size is packed on the first 2-3 years. How is it I managed to go from 150 to 200lbs at the same height as you, have small joints and all. Yet every kid who posts now thinks they're maxed out at like 170 same height.

My genetics are average. My work ethic was not. Before gear, you should at least have a 2.5 plate bench, 3 plate squat and deadlift for 10 reps or so. Just being able to do that has most people kinda big.

[iwannabejacked]

You know your stuff. I trained 4 years naturally. Even knowing more about what i was doing in the second year i still gained more in the first. The third year was a push but i did improve lifts and more size. After that nothing happened and i was stupid and overate trying to push gains. I juiced for 4 years but got over juicing and didn't want to compete anymore.

The quality does take years though i've been training almost 20 and now in mid thirties i look my best. Just deeper cuts all over and quality everywhere.

I would stay as lean as you can and just keep training. You are never going to be super lean every day but if you can hold it within a few pounds that's good. If you want to juice up to you. Doing even 4-5 cycles will make a difference even if you clean out after that you will have far more muscle than before. Look at John Hanson for example despite him saying differently he would never have that much muscle without juicing.

Yeah, I just want some added thickness while being lean, I don't even care nor want to look like a bodybuider, not anymore. Don't care about competing either.

and yes most the size is packed on the first 2-3 years. How is it I managed to go from 150 to 200lbs at the same height as you, have small joints and all. Yet every kid who posts now thinks they're maxed out at like 170 same height.

My genetics are average. My work ethic was not. Before gear, you should at least have a 2.5 plate bench, 3 plate squat and deadlift for 10 reps or so. Just being able to do that has most people kinda big.

Geez man! did you even read what I say? I went from 150 to 215 in around two years. If I post a pic here I looked big and I can even manage not to look that fat in some pics, just because I don't ever grow a gut and keep some sort of abs always. I just gain a ton of fat on my back, legs, arms and love handles lol.