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bigmc

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Should drugs be legal
« on: July 21, 2015, 10:33:05 AM »
why can people get drunk and do stupid shit but cant get high

epic double standards of peace
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Re: Should drugs be legal
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2015, 10:34:37 AM »
They decriminalized them in Portugal with much success , would that translate here? Who knows?

http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html
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Re: Should drugs be legal
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2015, 10:35:18 AM »
If they did what would the DEA do on a daily basis?
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ritch

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Re: Should drugs be legal
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2015, 10:40:58 AM »
the war is not being won... But I think making it legal would take cash away from certain underground people. I think they'd have to work together to make it possible.
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Re: Should drugs be legal
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2015, 10:42:22 AM »
Quote from: Disgusted on July 21, 2015, 10:35:18 AM
If they did what would the DEA do on a daily basis?

Don't forget the boondoggle that is civil forfeiture!

The only problem is that there would be stupid conversations about how the government now needs to provide equal-access grants to poor people so they can buy taxable crack.
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Re: Should drugs be legal
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2015, 10:48:11 AM »
Quote from: _aj_ on July 21, 2015, 10:42:22 AM
Don't forget the boondoggle that is civil forfeiture!

The only problem is that there would be stupid conversations about how the government now needs to provide equal-access grants to poor people so they can buy taxable crack.

Oh shit, that is messed up though... I think they should just start by making weed legal then go from there.

But here's the thing and the cops know what's going on. All the drugs now are precursers. None of that shit is pure MDMA (can't be found no more, same for speed, the speed is meth in tabs, ghb is no longer ghb it's gbl)

The second they catch on to what the precurser of current times are, they chemists got 1000's of others. Great youtube vid on this topic.

It takes them years to find this shit out. So they're technically sending stuff over here 100% legal as it's not banned yet and making shit loads of cash legally.

So in a sense may as well make all that dirty money work for society as the taxes will be in the upper end range to say the least...
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Re: Should drugs be legal
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2015, 10:55:42 AM »
Quote from: Disgusted on July 21, 2015, 10:35:18 AM
If they did what would the DEA do on a daily basis?

Watch SQUARE GROUPER.  It explains how if it weren't for cocaine the DEA would be dissolved in the early 70's.

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Re: Should drugs be legal
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2015, 11:26:19 AM »
...only the good ones. ;D
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Re: Should drugs be legal
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2015, 11:33:12 AM »
I have not smoked weed in probably 10 years, but would have no problem with it being regulated the same way as alcohol. The others, such as coke and heroine not so much.
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bigmc

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Re: Should drugs be legal
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2015, 11:41:52 AM »
Quote from: Irongrip400 on July 21, 2015, 11:33:12 AM
I have not smoked weed in probably 10 years, but would have no problem with it being regulated the same way as alcohol. The others, such as coke and heroine not so much.

why

the revenue could be plowed back in to treatment programmes
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Re: Should drugs be legal
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2015, 11:42:53 AM »
Quote from: bigmc on July 21, 2015, 11:41:52 AM
why

the revenue could be plowed back in to treatment programmes

that's a very smart reply.
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Re: Should drugs be legal
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2015, 11:44:36 AM »
Weed should be legal in all states for consumption.


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Re: Should drugs be legal
« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2015, 11:47:20 AM »
Quote from: Overload on July 21, 2015, 11:44:36 AM
Weed should be legal in all states for consumption.


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Re: Should drugs be legal
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2015, 11:47:34 AM »
Quote from: bigmc on July 21, 2015, 11:41:52 AM
why

the revenue could be plowed back in to treatment programmes

Why? Because too many people can't be trusted to control themselves.

And I assume you've seen some heroine junkie clucking away and the lengths they go to for the next fix.

I agree with the double standards, especially with regard to tobacco, but you can't let there be a free for all for hard drugs.

I can see an argument for making recreational drugs available on prescription though.  Pass certain tests and get a few gms of MDMA from your doctor. Now that would probably be a positive thing for society - safer highs, lower crime, more tax revenue, more education.
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Re: Should drugs be legal
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2015, 11:49:43 AM »
Quote from: bigmc on July 21, 2015, 10:33:05 AM
why can people get drunk and do stupid shit but cant get high

epic double standards of peace

There are a lot of reasons for it, but it all comes down to one basic idea.
Let the public have a little vice ( booze, ciggs, gamble, etc) but keep it under control.
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Re: Should drugs be legal
« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2015, 12:02:22 PM »
Quote from: HonestBob on July 21, 2015, 11:47:34 AM
Why? Because too many people can't be trusted to control themselves.

And I assume you've seen some heroine junkie clucking away and the lengths they go to for the next fix.

I agree with the double standards, especially with regard to tobacco, but you can't let there be a free for all for hard drugs.

I can see an argument for making recreational drugs available on prescription though.  Pass certain tests and get a few gms of MDMA from your doctor. Now that would probably be a positive thing for society - safer highs, lower crime, more tax revenue, more education.

that would be sweet!
But the potential for abuse is still there. They can pass those tests as bb'ers pass the tests when they go see a doc to get their HRT.

Someone mentioned it would bring costs down. Are you sure? Because before the UG took over the steroid scene, they was not the selection and prices, especially prices we have today.

A test prop early 2k here was f'in $150 guys. Gag at that shit...
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Re: Should drugs be legal
« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2015, 12:05:24 PM »
Quote from: ritch on July 21, 2015, 12:02:22 PM
that would be sweet!
But the potential for abuse is still there. They can pass those tests as bb'ers pass the tests when they go see a doc to get their HRT.

Someone mentioned it would bring costs down. Are you sure? Because before the UG took over the steroid scene, they was not the selection and prices, especially prices we have today.

A test prop early 2k here was f'in $150 guys. Gag at that shit...

It would make it much more expensive but so what? Pay £50 for a pill and you make it harder for a kid to OD (obviously not impossible) and it becomes a treat and less likely to be abused by welfare degenerates.

I'm moving to the US next year and then it will be time for me to get on some TRT. I'll gladly pay a big premium to get the right pharmaceutical gear.
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Re: Should drugs be legal
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2015, 12:12:49 PM »
Quote from: bigmc on July 21, 2015, 11:41:52 AM
why

the revenue could be plowed back in to treatment programmes
Are you saying we legalise and tax heroin?
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Re: Should drugs be legal
« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2015, 12:14:59 PM »
Quote from: HonestBob on July 21, 2015, 12:05:24 PM
It would make it much more expensive but so what? Pay £50 for a pill and you make it harder for a kid to OD (obviously not impossible) and it becomes a treat and less likely to be abused by welfare degenerates.

I'm moving to the US next year and then it will be time for me to get on some TRT. I'll gladly pay a big premium to get the right pharmaceutical gear.
Charge £50 for a pill and people will buy illegal ones.
If you want to make it legal you have to also make them cheaper than dealers sell them for.
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Re: Should drugs be legal
« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2015, 12:20:53 PM »
legalize but control like alcohol. We've spent trillions on the war on drugs, incarcerated hundreds of thousands with little or no improvement. I'm for decriminalizing and setting non violent drug offenders free... THEN... stiff sentences on crimes related to drugs and alcohol like driving impaired, burglary to support habit etc. 
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« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2015, 12:48:05 PM »
Quote from: Agnostic007 on July 21, 2015, 12:20:53 PM
legalize but control like alcohol. We've spent trillions on the war on drugs, incarcerated hundreds of thousands with little or no improvement. I'm for decriminalizing and setting non violent drug offenders free... THEN... stiff sentences on crimes related to drugs and alcohol like driving impaired, burglary to support habit etc. 
UK now has drug driving laws, came in in March I think.
You can now lose your licence for drugs, even excess prescription medicines are a no go.
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Re: Should drugs be legal
« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2015, 12:55:33 PM »
Quote from: Be There on July 21, 2015, 12:48:05 PM
UK now has drug driving laws, came in in March I think.
You can now lose your licence for drugs, even excess prescription medicines are a no go.

As it should be.. operating a 4000 lb piece of metal rolling 60mph is serious business.... :)
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Re: Should drugs be legal
« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2015, 01:47:26 PM »
criminalising users has been proven to have no effect on use

the legal status does not come in to the decision

you could control quality and monitor usage if legal

you would instantly kill a large percentage of criminality
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Re: Should drugs be legal
« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2015, 01:52:36 PM »
Quote from: _aj_ on July 21, 2015, 10:42:22 AM
Don't forget the boondoggle that is civil forfeiture!

The only problem is that there would be stupid conversations about how the government now needs to provide equal-access grants to poor people so they can buy taxable crack.

DAMN - I have never thought of that.. Subsidizing crack (sounds nuts but sadly I could see the argument)

I am absolutely against the government telling us what we can or cant put into or bodies. The way I see it if you want to f yourself up - why should anyone FORCE you to hold back?? Seriously though - is the citizenry really so naïve as to think that pot and opium are any more dangerous than alcohol and the plethora of toxic chemicals that we are SOLD every day through expensive ad campaigns???  
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Re: Should drugs be legal
« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2015, 01:54:16 PM »
Alcohol and cigarettes should even be illegal. Good thing steroids are.
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