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Weight loss but not FAT loss...old age?
« on: July 25, 2015, 11:05:28 AM »
Sittin in my early thirties on a semi natty cut. No gh only trt. I hit 185 which is lowest ive been since college. However, the fat isnt dropping anymore, just weight. For example, my abs still have a layer of flab i can grab and lower back love handles still kind of there. But my diet of 2000 cals still has me dropping about a lb a week. Is this just age, or is this the natty limit of an endo who cuts 20-30 lbs? If u dont have the "shred" type genetics, is it hopeless?

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Re: Weight loss but not FAT loss...old age?
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2015, 11:08:49 AM »
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Re: Weight loss but not FAT loss...old age?
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2015, 11:19:40 AM »
Sittin in my early thirties on a semi natty cut. No gh only trt. I hit 185 which is lowest ive been since college. However, the fat isnt dropping anymore, just weight. For example, my abs still have a layer of flab i can grab and lower back love handles still kind of there. But my diet of 2000 cals still has me dropping about a lb a week. Is this just age, or is this the natty limit of an endo who cuts 20-30 lbs? If u dont have the "shred" type genetics, is it hopeless?

How often are you doin a refeed?

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Re: Weight loss but not FAT loss...old age?
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2015, 12:46:44 PM »
How often are you doin a refeed?

Once weekly. Still losing weight even with that. Iifym style

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Re: Weight loss but not FAT loss...old age?
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2015, 01:01:13 PM »
Sittin in my early thirties on a semi natty cut. No gh only trt. I hit 185 which is lowest ive been since college. However, the fat isnt dropping anymore, just weight. For example, my abs still have a layer of flab i can grab and lower back love handles still kind of there. But my diet of 2000 cals still has me dropping about a lb a week. Is this just age, or is this the natty limit of an endo who cuts 20-30 lbs? If u dont have the "shred" type genetics, is it hopeless?

Sounds like this whole weight lifting thing isn't for you.
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Re: Weight loss but not FAT loss...old age?
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2015, 01:06:17 PM »
I make the refeed into feeding diet u can wait
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Re: Weight loss but not FAT loss...old age?
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2015, 01:26:54 PM »
Sounds like this whole weight lifting thing isn't for you.

LOL! if not using clen/yohimbe why bother dieting anyway? Oh yeah, clen is gonna kill ya, forgot!
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Re: Weight loss but not FAT loss...old age?
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2015, 01:31:37 PM »
Have you tried refeeding earlier? Every 4-6 days?

Personally for me ive plateaued on doin a refeed day once a week

Through trial n error every 4th day i did a big refeed meal instead of an all day refeed

Worked like a charm

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Re: Weight loss but not FAT loss...old age?
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2015, 02:09:44 PM »
Sittin in my early thirties on a semi natty cut. No gh only trt. I hit 185 which is lowest ive been since college. However, the fat isnt dropping anymore, just weight. For example, my abs still have a layer of flab i can grab and lower back love handles still kind of there. But my diet of 2000 cals still has me dropping about a lb a week. Is this just age, or is this the natty limit of an endo who cuts 20-30 lbs? If u dont have the "shred" type genetics, is it hopeless?
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Re: Weight loss but not FAT loss...old age?
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2015, 03:47:34 PM »
Early 30s?  How bad do you want it?  You gotta burn more.

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Re: Weight loss but not FAT loss...old age?
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2015, 04:04:53 PM »
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Re: Weight loss but not FAT loss...old age?
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2015, 04:06:26 PM »
Keep going mercilessly until all the flab meets it's destroyer, mind over muscle.

Personally, I like to eat often to keep sane. Pick safe foods rich in protein and fats but minimal carbs, and just eat regurlarly. When older in the thirties, there must be less cheats, odds are you can't have the same diet as when you were 23.

However, keep lifting often and with normal weights. Just cutting hard and getting a little sloppy in the gym make me just lose weight both muscle and fat. As soon as I decrease the weights, the body adapts.

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Re: Weight loss but not FAT loss...old age?
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2015, 04:06:36 PM »
Have you tried carb cycling?

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Re: Weight loss but not FAT loss...old age?
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2015, 04:21:49 PM »
Have you tried carb cycling?

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Re: Weight loss but not FAT loss...old age?
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2015, 06:15:26 PM »
Sittin in my early thirties on a semi natty cut. No gh only trt. I hit 185 which is lowest ive been since college. However, the fat isnt dropping anymore, just weight. For example, my abs still have a layer of flab i can grab and lower back love handles still kind of there. But my diet of 2000 cals still has me dropping about a lb a week. Is this just age, or is this the natty limit of an endo who cuts 20-30 lbs? If u dont have the "shred" type genetics, is it hopeless?

unless your ears are getting bigger, hair poking out your nose and ears, you are far from old age. Cut your calories further.

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Re: Weight loss but not FAT loss...old age?
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2015, 06:07:46 AM »
Welcome to middle age, friend. It'll only get worse, believe me.....

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Re: Weight loss but not FAT loss...old age?
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2015, 06:15:42 AM »
I'm 36 and leaner than i've ever been. Maybe you are eating too many carbs and holding too much water. What's your diet like.

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Re: Weight loss but not FAT loss...old age?
« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2015, 06:25:45 AM »
I'm 36 and leaner than i've ever been. Maybe you are eating too many carbs and holding too much water. What's your diet like.

Its iifym so clean all day, rice fish, beans, veggies, nuts, but after dinner i have like 400 cals left over so i have cookies or gelato or so,ething.

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Re: Weight loss but not FAT loss...old age?
« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2015, 07:02:15 AM »
Its iifym so clean all day, rice fish, beans, veggies, nuts, but after dinner i have like 400 cals left over so i have cookies or gelato or so,ething.

Here's what i've noticed. You can stay just as lean, fuck you should look better getting older with deeper cuts and better quality.

If something isn't working, you have to change something. Fuck counting calories and then eating extra.

There's nothing wrong with eating junk and you are still losing weight but i'm guessing that's where you are holding water, the extra crap you're eating at the end.

Maybe have a totally clean day. Then a larger junk meal the next day as one meal. But most importantly, eat when you are hungry. Don't overeat just to fill some calorie void you have to hit. You WON'T lose muscle eating 400 calories lower one day. I think you are better off cutting that junk and eating a one off meal the next day at the end but then again, don't overeat it. If you're full, stop. Don't overeat the clean food either to hit whatever calories you want to.

Best thing i've done to stay lean, and i'm as lean as i sometimes can't fall asleep as there's nothing to burn. Eat clean meals and some junk meals but don't overeat a meal. Adonis saying a calorie is a calorie is correct. Just don't overeat the meals.

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Re: Weight loss but not FAT loss...old age?
« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2015, 08:02:13 AM »
Here's what i've noticed. You can stay just as lean, fuck you should look better getting older with deeper cuts and better quality.

If something isn't working, you have to change something. Fuck counting calories and then eating extra.

There's nothing wrong with eating junk and you are still losing weight but i'm guessing that's where you are holding water, the extra crap you're eating at the end.

Maybe have a totally clean day. Then a larger junk meal the next day as one meal. But most importantly, eat when you are hungry. Don't overeat just to fill some calorie void you have to hit. You WON'T lose muscle eating 400 calories lower one day. I think you are better off cutting that junk and eating a one off meal the next day at the end but then again, don't overeat it. If you're full, stop. Don't overeat the clean food either to hit whatever calories you want to.

Best thing i've done to stay lean, and i'm as lean as i sometimes can't fall asleep as there's nothing to burn. Eat clean meals and some junk meals but don't overeat a meal. Adonis saying a calorie is a calorie is correct. Just don't overeat the meals.

Whatever man, to say that shows you know fuck all about food. To anyone reading this, don't listen to such idiotic advice. Ever.
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Re: Weight loss but not FAT loss...old age?
« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2015, 08:18:06 AM »
Here's what i've noticed. You can stay just as lean, fuck you should look better getting older with deeper cuts and better quality.

If something isn't working, you have to change something. Fuck counting calories and then eating extra.

There's nothing wrong with eating junk and you are still losing weight but i'm guessing that's where you are holding water, the extra crap you're eating at the end.

Maybe have a totally clean day. Then a larger junk meal the next day as one meal. But most importantly, eat when you are hungry. Don't overeat just to fill some calorie void you have to hit. You WON'T lose muscle eating 400 calories lower one day. I think you are better off cutting that junk and eating a one off meal the next day at the end but then again, don't overeat it. If you're full, stop. Don't overeat the clean food either to hit whatever calories you want to.

Best thing i've done to stay lean, and i'm as lean as i sometimes can't fall asleep as there's nothing to burn. Eat clean meals and some junk meals but don't overeat a meal. Adonis saying a calorie is a calorie is correct. Just don't overeat the meals.

Thanks man, i appreciate the insight. I pretty much do this thiugh. For example, the other day i ate clean all day...wife was out so instead of desert or small last meal or protein shake, i skipped it...so 300 cals less. Woke up 3 lbs lighter, no shit. I was like wow wtf. Stayed that way all day long. Had a refeed cuz thA was too much of a loss. But yeah im basically doing what your saying with the odd snack of someting bad 3-4 days a week. I just dont know if i can lose anymore weight . Im 6 foot. I was at 210 perma bulker. Now im 183-184. Almost 30lb loss, but the hard cuts on the abs just aint there. My waist is 32 inch. I have done this same cut, on less cals, and used low dose pharm gh, and trt...and ended at 195 and shredded as fuck. Drugs work lol

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Re: Weight loss but not FAT loss...old age?
« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2015, 12:49:27 PM »
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Carb Cycling For Fat Loss
by Tim Wescott aka wes

Carbohydrates are used as energy by the body; they fuel our workouts, and provide ample fuel over the course of any day. Learn what carb cycling is and why it's not the evil thing people say!

When dieting for a bodybuilding contest, I use an arsenal of weapons to lose unsightly excess body fat. One of the dietary procedures I institute, is to cycle my carbs.

Carbohydrates are used as energy by the body; they fuel our workouts, as well as providing ample fuel to be used throughout the course of the day. Ingesting carbs also replenishes our glucose and glycogen stores to prevent fatigue.

Carb cycling allows you to still eat carbs from clean sources, without adding body fat, and cycling enables you to better utilize fat for burning as fuel, as opposed to burning carbs and muscle tissue for fuel.

Are Carbs The Evil Enemy?

Carbs are not the evil villain the media makes them out to be. Improper carb timing can however, cause these carbs to be stored as fat. Carbs are not essential to the body, but they make dieting, and eating in general, a lot easier and more pleasurable... as long as the carbs are from the proper sources.

Carbs get a bad rap in the news lately, due to people jumping on the proverbial bandwagon to make a buck off the latest trend in dieting.... low carbs! There are tons of low carb foods hitting the grocery stores daily, everything from bread, to potato chips, can now be found with a low carb label.

A few years back it was all about bashing fats... remember?

What will it be next year... protein? We'll just have to wait and see I guess, but they'll think of something.


Junk Carbs

Carbohydrates eaten in excess, or eaten at the wrong times, can help to add adipose tissue to the body, but they are not a bad thing if incorporated into a diet properly. Eat the majority of your carbs early in the day and at the post-workout meal, tapering off on them as the day goes on.

Never eat carbs late at night, opt for protein instead. Sugar laden junk foods are always bad, and they are comprised mostly of carbs, and fat. In turn, they should have no place in a serious bodybuilders diet.

If people eliminated, or cut down on junk food alone, they would lose a lot of weight, and look and feel much better for it. Quitting junk food however, is usually too much to ask for most people. Most junk food is simply calorie dense garbage, totally devoid of any nutrients.

When I devise a diet for a trainee, the first step I implement is to have them cut back on junk gradually, until it is totally eliminated from the diet, except for the rare occasional treat. Once it's gone from the diet, it's usually not thought about again, except for the occasional craving.

Eating junk food is a conditioned thing that can, and should be eliminated. In this article I will outline a plan that still allows you to eat healthy amounts of good carbs, and still lose fat in the process.

As I mentioned earlier, it's not carbs that are the villain, but rather the type of carbs eaten, and the specific times that they are ingested. If you are indulging in junk food on a daily basis, then you will most likely get fatter.

Another problem is eating carbs too close to bedtime, when your activity and expenditure of energy is lessened. This is not a mystery, and all that's needed by the person looking to lose body fat is a lifestyle change! Cut down on eating the cr@p, and you'll be well on your way to better health, increased energy, and a leaner body.

The Proper Attitude!

When talking to bodybuilder's and others, that want to lose fat, or increase muscular definition for competition purposes, I often find a trend in their thinking that they can still eat things in moderate portions that are usually considered taboo, while on most diets.

Terms like "re-feed," "cheat meal," and "cheat day," almost always come up. These ideas can be used to your advantage, but in my opinion, you should wait until you are pretty close to achieving your desired body fat % goals before even thinking about them at all.

Yes folks, I'm an "old school" type of guy who will tell you right off the bat, that you MUST make some sacrifices, and give up all negative eating habits to achieve these goals if you want to succeed in losing fat or winning a contest!

I typically diet down for bodybuilding contests achieving approximately 3-5% body fat. Did I accomplish this while cheating and eating the occasional junk treat? My answer is a resounding NO. I suffered a bit here and there, but once I flip the switch in my mind to eat "clean" I do just that.

There can be no half measures. You must get into the proper mindset and stay completely focused on achieving your goals, if you screw around and cheat once, you will repeat this cheating again and again. I know this from early attempts at getting cut-up, and from experiences learned from training my clients. Remain steadfast on your mission to getting lean, and you most definitely will.

Cycling Carbs!

What we do when we cycle carbs in the manner that I advise, is to have three low carb days, followed by two higher carb days, to aid in recovery, and to replenish glycogen. This gives us just the right amount of carbs to be used as fuel without becoming an excessive amount.

Always use carbs from clean foods not junk foods of course. The most important thing about carb cycling, in my opinion, is too never go too high throughout the diet, except for the latter stages, and only if necessary. We'll discuss this aspect of the diet later in this article!

What I recommend as a starting point, to determine just how many carbs you should eat on your highest day, is to eat 1 to 1.5 grams of carbs per pound of bodyweight. Start out using the latter number and adjust according to your results.

I might add that it is vital to keep a nutrition journal when cycling carbs to be able to chart progress and make adjustments during the diet. This takes the guesswork out of dieting, and can also be looked back upon in the future to see how the body responded to certain tactics, and is an invaluable tool.

NOTE: Do not count fibrous vegetables into your total carb count for the day. They are low in calories and carbs and are a good source of fiber and do not count in the scheme of things while carb cycling. Only count starchy complex carbs.

Some tweaking will of course be necessary for most, as some of us are a bit more "carb sensitive" than others. Activity level, training intensity level, age, as well as sex, will determine how much you will need to adjust things, but as a rule I have found that 200 grams of carbs as your highest amount, is a good place to start.

After a time you can decide whether you want to raise them a bit, or lower them, based on your results, and your body's feedback. It is a good practice to try this technique well in advance of your contest to sort of "learn" your body, and how it responds to this procedure.

Below is an example of my 5-day carb cycling method using 200 grams of carbs as the highest amount on a high day.

    Day-1: 150 grams
    Day-2: 100 grams
    Day-3: 50 grams
    Day-4: 125 grams
    Day-5: 200 grams

Repeat cycle as written, throughout the course of the diet.

Essentially what I do is drop 50 grams of carbs over the course of the first 3 days, then increase by 75 grams, for the next two days. Some people prefer to raise fat intake on the lower carb days, or to increase fats on their off training days, to make up for the lost calories on the lower carb days.

You can do this if you choose to, but I find it interferes with the fat burning process as fat is a calorie dense macronutrient that is needed by the body, but builds no muscle.

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Re: Weight loss but not FAT loss...old age?
« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2015, 02:38:20 PM »
What type of anxiety or issue is this? Been plaguing me for a while now but never sought help, but as I get older its becoming more of a burden.

These are some examples of thought processes during the day and sometimes they get compounded and really start bothering me and i get all worried/anxious:

-i dont want to spit while that car is there and that guy is looking at me..he will think im spitting to piss him off or be confrontational
-i hope that guy sees me taking weights off the bar when im done so he thinks im a good guy
-i made eye contact with that hot chick at the gym earlier, but now i want to use the machine right next to her. She is going to think i want to fuck her and now its akward, so i wont go over by her. I dont want her to think she is hot shit
-Did that guy acknowledge i held the door for him? He didnt even thank me. What a dick

These are just some examples from today that clogged up my mind.
Its like this social anxiety thing. Its like im overly conscientious, or afraid of confrontations so im always trying to be super respectful of everyone around me. I wish i could just be in my own world and not worty about outside shit like this.
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Re: Weight loss but not FAT loss...old age?
« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2015, 03:11:44 PM »
What is refeed? The only refeed I am aware of is that of one Raleigh Theodore Sakers. And it just started backwards you mother fucker!

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Re: Weight loss but not FAT loss...old age?
« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2015, 03:46:48 PM »
What type of anxiety or issue is this? Been plaguing me for a while now but never sought help, but as I get older its becoming more of a burden.

These are some examples of thought processes during the day and sometimes they get compounded and really start bothering me and i get all worried/anxious:

-i dont want to spit while that car is there and that guy is looking at me..he will think im spitting to piss him off or be confrontational
-i hope that guy sees me taking weights off the bar when im done so he thinks im a good guy
-i made eye contact with that hot chick at the gym earlier, but now i want to use the machine right next to her. She is going to think i want to fuck her and now its akward, so i wont go over by her. I dont want her to think she is hot shit
-Did that guy acknowledge i held the door for him? He didnt even thank me. What a dick

These are just some examples from today that clogged up my mind.
Its like this social anxiety thing. Its like im overly conscientious, or afraid of confrontations so im always trying to be super respectful of everyone around me. I wish i could just be in my own world and not worty about outside shit like this.
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