you mean ephedrine or the herbal? Either way, pretty much the same and I love the shit, would never think of training without it along with my other beloved nootropics. Best natural cutting supplement ever. NOthing has come close to that shit since I started using it near 1996 or so.
Oh yeah, stuff will shrink your pecker while you use it and daily 3x's dose makes it harder to fuck. Then again I was dieting, so that has a factor also.