ARod three dingers yesterday

[forillagorilla]

Fuck him and that piece of shit Barry Bonds.  Their steroid numbers mean jack shit, and they are assholes on top of it.

They may be assholes but if you really think juice did it then you know nothing of baseball... There is NO argument that greenies were not a MUCH greater performance enhancer.. But if we made an issue then almost 100% of the greats would have an asterisk

[Hulkotron]

Anyone who thinks the majority (I would say the great majority) of athletes at the MLB/NBA/NFL/NHL level are not on a PED that is banned by their league is kidding themselves.

Just sit back and enjoy the show, watching people hit 70 HRs is fun.

[tom joad]

Either you're a home run of you're not. Drugs make little difference. Regardless, the sport is being ruined by testing.

hmm Hank Aaron, Mike Schmidt, Ted Williams etc. never hit 50 home runs in a season, but Brady Anderson did  

[keanu]

A-Fraud found another lab, that simple. Anyone who believes he is blasting like this in the twilight of his career, way past his prime (when he was using PEDS) is beyond stupid.

[tom joad]

A-Fraud found another lab, that simple. Anyone who believes he is blasting like this in the twilight of his career, way past his prime (when he was using PEDS) is beyond stupid.

MLB's gotta be testing him fairly regularly. (FWIW)

But this has to go down as one of the greatest comeback years ever!

Dude's last good year playing everyday was in 2010.
Had hip sugery.
Got only 150 ABs in 2013.  
Missed all of 2014 season.  
And now as he turns age 40, Arod's rockin' an OPS of over .900!
Ridiculous.

[Hulkotron]

Bonds hit 59 HR from the ages of 40-42, which included one year where he basically missed the whole season with an injury of some sort (I forget the details).

ARod is 39 now.  I think he can break this record if he stays healthy and keeps passing tests.

Even at age 42 (his last year) Bonds still hit 28 HR in 126 games, 1.045 OPS and led the league with a .480 on-base percentage.  Guy was crazy-good, I don't care what drugs he was on.  The level of fear pitchers had of him was unprecedented, although I obviously never saw Ruth play or anything.  In 2004 Bonds was intentionally walked 122 times, which is only five fewer times than the total walks (intentional + unintentional) of any other player in the league that year.

[tom joad]

Bonds hit 59 HR from the ages of 40-42, which included one year where he basically missed the whole season with an injury of some sort (I forget the details).

ARod is 39 now.  I think he can break this record if he stays healthy and keeps passing tests.

Even at age 42 (his last year) Bonds still hit 28 HR in 126 games, 1.045 OPS and led the league with a .480 on-base percentage.  Guy was crazy-good, I don't care what drugs he was on.

Different eras ... then and now.

Bonds was basically openly juicing in his 40s (wasn't suspicious when sluggers looked big.)

And MLB didn't start effectively testing players until 2013.

in 2013, there were 4,661 home runs hit in MLB
in 2014, ... 4,186 homers
between the years 1998-2007 (when Bonds retired) there were about 5,500 home runs hit each year in MLB

[SOMEPARTS]

All I know is this....MLB bans Pete Rose when more people than him were bettors -  and he was just plain being dumb....

....and they will keep Sosa and McGwire out of the HOF even though they literally saved Baseball.


They should just say "that was a different era....that was an untested era" and asterisk them or whatever.

But they all belong in the HOF.

[SOMEPARTS]

If I'm A-Rod I'm playing until I'm 45.

[Grape Ape]

Mike Trout is the best player on the planet.

Also, get over the steroid era.  It's MLB's fault for either ignoring it or having their heads up their asses.  Just have to deal with it at this point, but realize the players of yesteryear would've done the same thing.

[Hulkotron]

Everyone pretends like steroids first appeared to bespoil this sacred game in 1998.

Meanwhile Ben Johnson in a much more obscure sport was juiced to the gills for years a decade earlier.

[Pray_4_War]

To anyone that says steroids don't make that big of a difference in baseball.....

Barry Bonds hit 73 fucking home runs in one season.  You tell me.

[240 is Back]

Either you're a home run of you're not. Drugs make little difference. Regardless, the sport is being ruined by testing.

LOL!   Drugs are the difference between an out and a HR in many cases.

Plus in this new era of no test, no stimulants... the players look like regular people out there.  They used to be jacked and elevated.  That long season is making them look very average now.

[240 is Back]

A-Fraud found another lab, that simple. Anyone who believes he is blasting like this in the twilight of his career, way past his prime (when he was using PEDS) is beyond stupid.

the people that believe he's natural... they just want a hero.  They just want to believe hard work can defeat age and outperform the steroid version of the same player ten years earlier lol.

The same people believed Bill Cosby and Hermann Cain were *framed* by all those women accusers.  They just want a hero.

[mazrim]

Anyone who thinks the majority (I would say the great majority) of athletes at the MLB/NBA/NFL/NHL level are not on a PED that is banned by their league is kidding themselves.

Just sit back and enjoy the show, watching people hit 70 HRs is fun.

Exactly.

[Royalty]

Everyone pretends like steroids first appeared to bespoil this sacred game in 1998.

Meanwhile Ben Johnson in a much more obscure sport was juiced to the gills for years a decade earlier.

I think that Canseco was one of the 1st guys to take roids. Lates 80's.

Then Lenny Dykstra.

I bet that Kevin Mitchell & Bo Jackson were on in the late 80's too.

[tom joad]

I think that Canseco was one of the 1st guys to take roids. Lates 80's.

Then Lenny Dykstra.

I bet that Kevin Mitchell & Bo Jackson were on in the late 80's too.

it's funny that forever ballplayers were afraid of being muscle bound thinking it would hurt them ... the first two guys (who I remember) who were the exceptions and simply followed weight lifting programs were Brian Downing & Lance Parrish in the early 80s ... but then, yeah, Canseco and the boys ushered in a new era ... (notwithstanding that players in the past were taking greenies like crazy.)

[dr.chimps]

the people that believe he's natural... they just want a hero.  They just want to believe hard work can defeat age and outperform the steroid version of the same player ten years earlier lol.

The same people believed Bill Cosby and Hermann Cain were *framed* by all those women accusers.  They just want a hero.

Off-base analogy, but kinda funny. 

[El Diablo Blanco]

Why are people shocked?  ARod was a prodigy from a young age.  If he stayed natural he would have easily been a 40 HR 120 RBI type guy. but with 50+ HRs being hit by the juicers he jumped on it.  he didn't have to.  Would have been hailed as one of the best of all time.

I have to laugh at how Schmoltz was put in the HoF yesterday.  His career was over as a starter and a pitcher in general then a miracle allowed him to be a dominant closer for 4 years during the "juice era"  Where the other top closer Gagne was caught taking steroids.  Same with Pedro Martinez and Biggio.  Biggio and Bagwell were both heavy on the sauce.  Baseball is such a joke.

[Coach is Back!]

it's funny that forever ballplayers were afraid of being muscle bound thinking it would hurt them ... the first two guys (who I remember) who were the exceptions and simply followed weight lifting programs were Brian Downing & Lance Parrish in the early 80s ... but then, yeah, Canseco and the boys ushered in a new era ... (notwithstanding that players in the past were taking greenies like crazy.)

The biggest battle I have is with High School coaches that limit or just don't allow weight training with their athletes. They still believe that weight training will make them "bulky" and restrict mobility which is far from true. Instead with the limited weight training they do it's all high rep with a ton on long distance running which both are counterproductive to baseball. Like a lot of Universities, we train our baseball players similar to how we would train football with the exception over head work and full body training 3 x week.

Personally, besides the recovery factor one the main reasons players are using is for power and strength (they are not the same) and that directly lies with the S&C coaches not programming enough power into their training. I'm referring to professional players. At the college level, particularly at the D1 level, training is vastly superior than it is at the pro level.

[Coach is Back!]

LOL!   Drugs are the difference between an out and a HR in many cases.

Plus in this new era of no test, no stimulants... the players look like regular people out there.  They used to be jacked and elevated.  That long season is making them look very average now.

Drugs are the difference between hitting a 420ft HR as opposed to a 450ft HR.

[Hulkotron]

The biggest battle I have is with High School coaches that limit or just don't allow weight training with their athletes. They still believe that weight training will make them "bulky" and restrict mobility which is far from true. Instead with the limited weight training they do it's all high rep with a ton on long distance running which both are counterproductive to baseball. Like a lot of Universities, we train our baseball players similar to how we would train football with the exception over head work and full body training 3 x week.

Personally, besides the recovery factor one the main reasons players are using is for power and strength (they are not the same) and that directly lies with the S&C coaches not programming enough power into their training. I'm referring to professional players. At the college level, particularly at the D1 level, training is vastly superior than it is at the pro level.

My high school cross-country coach used to make us lift weights 2x per week, this was around 1996 or so.  I had one of the strongest benches on the team at 135 for 8

Drugs are the difference between hitting a 420ft HR as opposed to a 450ft HR.

Sure but what about a 350-foot flyout as opposed to a 380-foot HR?

[dr.chimps]

Drugs are the difference between hitting a 420ft HR as opposed to a 450ft HR.

30'!?  Maybe, even more. There was the occasional check swing that cleared the fence.   

[polychronopolous]

30'!?  Maybe, even more. There was the occasional check swing that cleared the fence.   

Or the classic RBI Baseball "bunt homerun" glitch!!

[Hulk-smash!]

Babe IS the greatest home run hitter of all time.

He did it in 1,000 less at bats compared to the other guys.

From Baseball-Fever >

fenrir
06-19-2012, 08:42 PM
Statistically, Babe Ruth is easily the greatest player ever. Nobody really comes close (except arguably Bonds, if you take his numbers at face value). Ruth apparently hit home runs further than anybody ever (including many steroid abusers), and hit home runs at a faster pace than anyone ever (besides steroid user Mark Mcgwire). I've always found it interesting how Ruth was able to do things nobody else ever was able to do, with the exception of one or arguably two steroid users. The man has a .690 career slugging% for pete sakes, how many all-time greats were able to even post a .690 slugging% in a single season (not including roiders)? Hell, if Bonds never juiced, Ruth would still hold the single season record for walks, slugging%, OPS, OPS+, HR/AB ratio, pretty much every single season record out there.

So my question is, did Ruth just happen to be vastly more talented than anyone else who ever play baseball, or was he a great player who dominated arguably inferior competition? Perhaps both? Albert Pujols is widely considered the best hitter of his generation (not including Bonds and Frank Thomas who are more from the 1990's generation), and yet his single season best OPS+ falls well short to Ruth's career OPS+. Was Ruth just that much more talented than the man who is considered the best hitter from his generation? Perhaps he was, but I'm not sold on that.

http://www.sciencebuzz.org/blog/technology-not-drugs-made-home-run-records