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Re: Chris Froome is the new Lance.....
« Reply #25 on: July 28, 2015, 10:18:04 AM »
what is blood boasting?

also don't they check hematocrit and hemoglobin levels for signs of EPO use...

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Re: Chris Froome is the new Lance.....
« Reply #26 on: July 28, 2015, 10:19:42 AM »
what is blood boasting?

also don't they check hematocrit and hemoglobin levels for signs of EPO use...

Google for these terms:
- EPO
- VO2max
- Lactate threshold

I don't know much about the testing.

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Re: Chris Froome is the new Lance.....
« Reply #27 on: July 28, 2015, 12:15:33 PM »
what is blood boasting?

also don't they check hematocrit and hemoglobin levels for signs of EPO use...

Hi BR

Blood boosting goes back many years. Quite simple actually. Withdraw one pint of your blood. Refrigerate that blood. Then on race morning take a transfusion of that blood. You will have an extra pint of blood and therefore more oxygen carrying red blood cells.  You'll feel phenomenon.  Your body will metabolise that inbalance in a matter of hours so you must do it again. Or-

-withdraw the same pint of blood.  Place it in a centrifuge. Separate the all important red blood cells and then take the transfusion but only use the RBC and a very small amount of blood.  All they want is the RBC.

Obviously method two takes more planning and equipment, but it's still very easy. All the blood withdraws will have taken place in the weeks leading up to the race.

Remember, when we have oxygen available to burn as fuel there's no byproduct. When we use glycogen as fuel we have that pesky lactic acid as a byproduct.  Lactic acid is the devil for pro cyclist.
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Re: Chris Froome is the new Lance.....
« Reply #28 on: July 28, 2015, 01:40:46 PM »
I heard of them training at high altitude then freezing the blood and reintroducing it.

Why are bodybuilders worried about high hematocrit and hemoglobin yet these cyclists are purposely creating high levels! Wouldn't there blood tests reveal these markers being too high, I read the doping organizations have limits above which they will penalize riders.

Cyclists still need a big amount of glycogen...

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Re: Chris Froome is the new Lance.....
« Reply #29 on: July 28, 2015, 01:50:55 PM »
blood boasting is bragging about blood doping

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Re: Chris Froome is the new Lance.....
« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2015, 02:05:15 PM »
Hi BR

Blood boosting goes back many years. Quite simple actually. Withdraw one pint of your blood. Refrigerate that blood. Then on race morning take a transfusion of that blood. You will have an extra pint of blood and therefore more oxygen carrying red blood cells.  You'll feel phenomenon.  Your body will metabolise that inbalance in a matter of hours so you must do it again. Or-

-withdraw the same pint of blood.  Place it in a centrifuge. Separate the all important red blood cells and then take the transfusion but only use the RBC and a very small amount of blood.  All they want is the RBC.

Obviously method two takes more planning and equipment, but it's still very easy. All the blood withdraws will have taken place in the weeks leading up to the race.

Remember, when we have oxygen available to burn as fuel there's no byproduct. When we use glycogen as fuel we have that pesky lactic acid as a byproduct.  Lactic acid is the devil for pro cyclist.















I'm old enough to remember Lasse Viren the Finnish long distance runner & a lot of talk regarding his Blood packing / boosting & this is back in the mid 70s.

It must be very effective for it to still be in favour.
The techniques have probably been refined a lot now.
All interesting stuff.

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Re: Chris Froome is the new Lance.....
« Reply #31 on: July 28, 2015, 02:16:31 PM »
All Hagelslag and Lekkerbekje
Bruine boterham met ouwe kaas, plus karnemelk....

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Re: Chris Froome is the new Lance.....
« Reply #32 on: July 28, 2015, 02:18:23 PM »
Bruine boterham met ouwe kaas, plus karnemelk....
Gag bag Gulag Groink Oink arekenstone kaak loover neekor luuvr

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Re: Chris Froome is the new Lance.....
« Reply #33 on: July 28, 2015, 02:20:20 PM »
If they had one more day in the alps Quintana would have won. Froome seems like a much nicer person than Lance.
Dunno about better person, Froome is just boring....but I think you are right.
But there were no more days, do Chris was the winner....

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Re: Chris Froome is the new Lance.....
« Reply #34 on: July 28, 2015, 02:23:14 PM »
Gag bag Gulag Groink Oink arekenstone kaak loover neekor luuvr
TA you are drunk right ?

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Re: Chris Froome is the new Lance.....
« Reply #35 on: July 28, 2015, 02:29:01 PM »
Niemand geeft een stront
Oh jawel hoor....niemand geeft een stront about BB.

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Re: Chris Froome is the new Lance.....
« Reply #36 on: July 28, 2015, 02:29:13 PM »
Gag bag Gulag Groink Oink arekenstone kaak loover neekor luuvr

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