University of Cincinnati Officer Indicted in Fatal Shooting of Samuel DuBose

[Ropo]

Just based on the video and the news article.. and the video was blurry right at the point of the shot..

1. Stop was legal. Prosecutor saying otherwise as in "it was a crappy stop" indicates bias.. likely politically motivated. Way out of line for a prosecutor to comment on a legal stop in that regard

2. Guy was acting evasive. You can't just run his license to see he has one without some other identifying information. He could give anyones name and DOB that has similar physical features. Happens all the time.

3. He can't just write a ticket without proper identification.

4. The guy was reaching all around in the car.. having him step out was a good move. frisk for weapons, get him out of the vehicle where their may be some weapons.

5. dude shouldn't close the door when the police is telling him to step out. Red flag.

6. Starting the car.. not a good move. Obviously about the take off.

7. Officer should have disengaged, when his efforts to disuade him from driving off were not successful. Call in the direction of travel and conduct the pursuit.

8. I've seen calls where an officer was being dragged and shooting was reasonable. I don't think this was one of those. He had a minor traffic offense and evading

9. I didn't see anything that would deem deadly force reasonable. Maybe something will come to light during trial, but it wasnt evident in the video.

10. Prosecutor again showed unreasonable and improper bias commenting on the policing of universities. Most major universities through out the country have their own force and do well. Politics.. it's irrelvant  to the facts of this case.   

So, you either didn't watch the video, or didn't understand what you saw? Police try to grab hold of this moron, and he drive a way police hanging at the car. That would be attempted murder in any country you can name of, and it gives police all the rights to use deadly force to stop the suspect. It has been said over and over again, and still there is people who doesn't understand: Don't fight the cop, cop will kill you.

[Nails]

another scared piglet quick to play jury , judge and executioner

but it could of all been avoided by this dumb fuck by simply saying i dont have my license and taking the fine

[Mawse]

on the one hand that was a bad shooting

on the other hand, he would never have done that to a contributing member of society so I'll have to file under 'don't give a fuck'

[SquidVicious]

on the one hand that was a bad shooting

on the other hand, he would never have done that to a contributing member of society so I'll have to file under 'don't give a fuck'

X2

[The_Iron_Disciple]

Yeah but nobody will riot over that..the media won't even cover it

I understand where your comin from ... however ... my point is, is that law enforcement is getting out of hand here in America. Everywhere ... and all races. If and when the shit hits the fan ( martial law, for example ), it won't matter your politics, race, sex, or anything else. What it will boil down to are two things :

1 ) You support law enforcement and how they " uphold " the law

or

2 ) You do not support our law enforcement and feel they are abusing their power.

That's it. It's either one or the other. Media be damned. I don't need to watch the news nor read the paper to see what's happening around me. Simple as that. All's the media is good at is showing us ( or, for some of us, trying to convince us ) that is purely a " race issue ", when in fact it's much bigger than that.

[andreisdaman]

Is it really even a race issue? Serious question? What if it was cops having a power trip? Ones that don't deserve a badge

95% of the time these "power trips" seem to occur when the motorist is black

[andreisdaman]

I heard he was dead before the cop stopped him... saw some pics on another website..

Good one

[andreisdaman]

What continues to get lost in the shuffle is how every single one of these black lives is lost because their fragile egos won't allow them to follow a simple instruction from a police officer with a badge and a gun. They're all versions of suicide by cop. I know blacks who've been pulled over dozens of times without incident by handing over their license and cooperating. But this is 2015 and it's blasphemy to tell the truth and use facts.

Although your tone is idiotic, your post has substance....Too many times people are mouthing off and not making the officer feel safe.....the officer was still wrong, but now a guy is dead for babbling and running his mouth when he didn't have to be

[andreisdaman]

Disappointed Tensing didn't get more shots off.

Black guys are always getting shots off inside your mother

[Sokolsky]

Black guys are always getting shots off inside your mother

You should've been strangled at birth after the coathanger apparently failed 

[syntaxmachine]

Another one.  I keep wondering when blacks will unify & begin anarchy?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/30/us/university-of-cincinnati-officer-indicted-in-shooting-death-of-motorist.html

I feel that a quasi-Leninist explanation of class relations has much explanatory power when it comes to the lot of the American Hebrew: capitalism entails a sort of bribery between classes, the lower classes being in a sense 'payed off' to not revolt or otherwise cause trouble for an inherently unjust system. Is this not the case for the A-Heb? Traditionally excluded or otherwise marginalized, A-Hebs are now partially incorporated into the system, but at tremendous cost -- trillions in dollars transferred since the advent of the so-called "War on Poverty." Would the A-Heb not behave as this explanation predicts if such transfers were to halt?

[Parker]

I feel that a quasi-Leninist explanation of class relations has much explanatory power when it comes to the lot of the American Hebrew: capitalism entails a sort of bribery between classes, the lower classes being in a sense 'payed off' to not revolt or otherwise cause trouble for an inherently unjust system. Is this not the case for the A-Heb? Traditionally excluded or otherwise marginalized, A-Hebs are now partially incorporated into the system, but at tremendous cost -- trillions in dollars transferred since the advent of the so-called "War on Poverty." Would the A-Heb not behave as this explanation predicts if such transfers were to halt?

yep!!!

[240 is Back]

unless the guy grabbed the cops arm to hold him while he took off, (and we don't know that he did based on the video) which would be a reason I would shoot someone, he couldn't run him over. That reasoning wouldn't fly. 

they charged his ass with murder.

[BB]

they charged his ass with murder.

And I hope it bites them square on the ass. It's ugly, but it's multiple steps down from murder, I can see even a horrid defense attorney being able to get this dismissed or at least hang a jury.

[polychronopolous]

they charged his ass with murder.

Classic over reach by the prosecution.

When it's all said and done the county will offer 12 years. The defense will come back and accept an 8 year sentence and he'll be out in 3 and a half.

[Agnostic007]

Not just blacks. Had a white teen one town over from me get shot and killed by a police officer because he failed to comply. It's everywhere, man. And all races. Law enforcement is seriously getting out of hand.

Or are too many people failing to comply..

[Agnostic007]

So, you either didn't watch the video, or didn't understand what you saw? Police try to grab hold of this moron, and he drive a way police hanging at the car. That would be attempted murder in any country you can name of, and it gives police all the rights to use deadly force to stop the suspect. It has been said over and over again, and still there is people who doesn't understand: Don't fight the cop, cop will kill you.

I would suspect the same from you.. Show me where the police tried to grab him.. and he drove away with the officer. From what I saw..and actually you really saw.. was blurred motion and shouting with him shooting him in the head. Unknown if the car was moving.. unknown if the cop was attached in any way to the car or to the driver. You can speculate.. but you can't say for sure. 

[Bevo]

95% of the time these "power trips" seem to occur when the motorist is black

Or maybe they are reporting the whites vs blacks cause it gets people talking and paying attention

Blacks vs blacks or whites vs whites happen day to day but won't get ratings and play on to people's emotions

[WalterWhite]

His bail was set at 1m.


Tensing was indicted on Wednesday on murder and voluntary manslaughter charges in the July 19 death of Samuel DuBose, who was shot in the head during a traffic stop. Tensing, who turned himself in and spent the night in jail in isolation, appeared in court in gray, striped prison clothes.
The incident was the latest in a series of fatal police confrontations in the United States that have raised questions about law enforcement's use of force against minorities.
In announcing the indictment on Wednesday, Hamilton County Prosecutor Joseph Deters said Tensing was not dragged by DuBose's car as the officer had claimed to justify the shooting.
Two other University of Cincinnati officers, Phillip Kidd and David Lindenschmidt, were placed on administrative leave on Thursday, according to Lonnie Soury, a spokesman for the school.
Deters' office on Thursday released videos from body cameras worn by two university police officers who witnessed the shooting. The videos show the immediate aftermath of the shooting.
On the video from the body camera worn by Kidd, Tensing's fellow officer, Tensing repeatedly says he was dragged by DuBose's car and that he got his arm stuck in the car. Kidd is heard saying, "Yeah, I saw that."
A few minutes later, an officer from Cincinnati's city police force asks Kidd whether he saw Tensing being dragged, and Kidd responds, "Yes." In the official incident report on DuBose's shooting, officer Kidd was quoted as saying he saw Tensing being dragged.
Kidd could not immediately be reached and it was not known whether he has legal representation. The Fraternal Order of Police in Cincinnati did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the content of the videos.
The University of Cincinnati police report said it is unclear how much Lindenschmidt witnessed.
Tensing's body-camera video was released on Wednesday and showed the traffic stop and the shooting. After failing to provide a driver's license at Tensing's request, DuBose tried to prevent Tensing from opening the car door as the officer ordered him to remove his seat belt.
The car started slowly rolling forward as Tensing reached in and yelled for him to stop. The officer pulled his gun and fired once, killing DuBose.
Tensing was fired by university police on Wednesday. If convicted, he faces a maximum penalty of life in prison.
His attorney, Stew Mathews, told reporters Tensing had feared for his life during the altercation with DuBose, so he drew his weapon.
"He's feeling like he's been run over by a train," Mathews said.
Terina Allen, the victim's sister, said the video evidence from Tensing proved that DuBose was a peaceful man.
"Sam would have never did to that police officer what that police officer did to Sam," Allen said.
(Additional reporting by Fiona Ortiz and Mary Wisniewski in Chicago; Editing by Jonathan Oatis and Lisa Shumaker)

[The_Iron_Disciple]

Or are too many people failing to comply..

I'll give you that. Fair enough.


Perhaps, I missed it, but what is your overall view of law enforcement ? Just curious.

[SF1900]

Or are too many people failing to comply..

Ahh, yes, failing to comply = death.

Typical cop mentality.

Yet, you see thousands of other cops all around the world subduing people who are not complying without resorting to deadly force.

[andreisdaman]

Ahh, yes, failing to comply = death.

Typical cop mentality.

Yet, you see thousands of other cops all around the world subduing people who are not complying without resorting to deadly force.

Good point..and some of those cops from around the world aren't even ARMED.....they don't need a gun

[Sokolsky]

"Sam would have never did to that police officer what that police officer did to Sam," Allen said.

Laughable remark.

Ahh, yes, failing to comply = death.

Typical cop mentality.

Yet, you see thousands of other cops all around the world subduing people who are not complying without resorting to deadly force.

Good point..and some of those cops from around the world aren't even ARMED.....they don't need a gun

Failing to comply only results in death if you act like a complete moron and attempt to fight at the wrong time. Any person capable of critical thinking will be able to assert that complying when interacting with officers is the correct choice, tickets can be fought in court, a gunshot to the head cannot.

To say cops don't need guns is just idiotic, as a government institution it holds the right to use force and should always have the upperhand in cases of escalation of force. As for thousands of cops around the world subduing people without deadly force, perhaps you should also consider the mentality towards police around the world is different. Look at countries like Spain, Russia, or Asian countries, people know better than to fuck with the police.

Be a smart ass in court not in the streets. You'll live longer.

[SF1900]

Laughable remark.

Failing to comply only results in death if you act like a complete moron and attempt to fight at the wrong time. Any person capable of critical thinking will be able to assert that complying when interacting with officers is the correct choice, tickets can be fought in court, a gunshot to the head cannot.

To say cops don't need guns is just idiotic, as a government institution it holds the right to use force and should always have the upperhand in cases of escalation of force. As for thousands of cops around the world subduing people without deadly force, perhaps you should also consider the mentality towards police around the world is different. Look at countries like Spain, Russia, or Asian countries, people know better than to fuck with the police.

Be a smart ass in court not in the streets. You'll live longer.

Of course cops need guns.

But how many videos of multiple american cops having trouble subduing ONE guy. Yet, you see videos from other countries, and 2-3 cops are subduing one man.

I guess its no surprise that american cops cant subdue one guy when they look like this

[Irongrip400]

Good point..and some of those cops from around the world aren't even ARMED.....they don't need a gun

I am a gun rights activist, but we live in a country where civilians have guns and that changes things. I'm not saying I want strict gun control, just trying to show why we may deal a bit different here.

Although your tone is idiotic, your post has substance....Too many times people are mouthing off and not making the officer feel safe.....the officer was still wrong, but now a guy is dead for babbling and running his mouth when he didn't have to be

This is the sad part. None of it matters to the dead guy in the equation. Good shoot, bad shoot, he's still dead. :/